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Need Help!Urgent question about "missing" an injection of oxycontin

goodgrrrlbadhabit

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:? A friend of mine who injects opiate pain killers recently "missed" an injection of either extended-release morphine or oxycontin, not sure which because there were no initial signs of a "miss". She resorted to using several veins in the top of her foot (not smart since they tend to roll) but after a bit of patience was able to get the needle in successfully, booted the rig and it showed blood and all the signs of a successful hit. Upon awakening the next morning, she found her foot to be swollen, hot, and red, almost twice the size of the other foot. She has been using hot compresses which usually remedy a miss, and even tried a warm epsom salt soak but to no avail. Used a clean needle and sterilized with alcohol (as she did with the initial injections) to try and draw out some of the liquid which has formed in the tissue, was not able to suck it out per say, but did squeeze some out of the injection hole after removing the syringe, and the liquid was clear-does this mean it is not infected? Going to the hospital or Dr. is NOT an option for her at all due to several reasons, lack of insurance and fear of becoming "blacklisted" being just a few. So, she is getting a hold of some very good broad spectrum antibiotics, but beyond that her question is: does anyone know of any way to lance one's own abcess safely? I know going to a doctor is the best solution, but she will never go, so would attempting to lance it (sterilizing everything of course) help the abcess to heal more quickly? Or should she just let it run its course? It has been about 3 days now of a great deal of pain and she is getting very concerned since she has never had a "miss" take more than 24 hours for the swelling and discomfort to subside. any info welcome! :(
 
My friend just showed me how weird I am for going to a doctor. He told me hes missed a lot. It takes him awhile to find a vein. His foot was huge compared to the other. I never experienced swelling besides a few days ago which will say it went away very well after neosporin and some hot pad on it for an hot.....I wish people would quit shooting up OC and shit thats not powder in the first place. Im not going to give your friend shit but schedule a doctors apt. explain. please dont be retarded and take it lightly. smoke/shooting oc is fucking disgusting sorry. If you must use a hot pad and antibiotic cream on the area...NO FUCKING ANTIBITOICS! If it doesn't go down in 2 fucking days or show progress after a day whether you like it or not its hospital time. man the fuck up. saw a bug bit you if you need to and theres no marks but def go to a HOSPITAL!

O just read that dude 3 days...GO to a doctor no jokes. who gives a fuck about black listed I got black listed and uh I got a better doctor more pills and whatever I wanted for awhile and still do and the guy knows very very well that I am a full blown recovering junkie addict
 
Even though you say she won't go to the doctor, that's what she needs to do. Go to a hospital out of town and use a fake name if you have to.

Even though there is a *chance* that it is not an abscess, it is not worth waiting. Not unless losing a foot is worth it to her. Infections like this are very serious, despite hoping it isn't. It is not something to play around with.

Trying to lance and drain an abscess would be extremely dangerous. Even if you somehow managed successfully remove it (which would be extremely difficult and painful without anesthetics), she would most likely need stitches or at least medical service provided from medical professionals afterwords.

The foot is also a very bad place to get an abscess. It's already not advisable to IV there, because of low blood flow and the possibility of blood clots, but missing a shot there is much more likely to form an abscess because of the aforementioned reasons.

An abscess does not "run it's course" or "heal," in the traditional sense. Although there is a small possibility that it may go away, there will be lasting damage from infection. Usually "running it's course" means forming, infecting, and eventually needing removal of the affected area via draining, some sort of surgery, or amputation.

If it is actually an abscess, which it sounds like is starting, she is walking a very dangerous path by not seeking medical attention immediately. Hospitals in the U.S. are required by law to give emergency medical attention when needed, regardless of insurance or even legal citizenship. She doesn't have to tell them what happened, she could say while fishing a hook caught her foot, that is not uncommon. Ever wonder why gangrene is often associated with fisherman?

Depending on how far along the abscess is, it may have epithelialized with skin, meaning that antibiotics will not reach and resolve it. Even if it hasn't, a well formed abscess usually has to be drained due to antibiotics not penetrating to the center of the infected area.

The clear fluid coming out doesn't mean that it's not infected. It MIGHT mean that, but it could also mean the infection is too deep to come out right now. The clear fluid is most likely some sort of plasma or much more unlikely, some of the missed injection.

It's possible she blew a vein. Did she get a rush/high from the injection? Is it bruised? Did the pain onset very quickly, almost immediately? Even if she answered yes to all of these questions, it doesn't mean it's okay not to seek medical attention. Do so promptly.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that is her only safe option. There is no reliable alternative to surgical incision and drainage of an abscess. Heat alone may help small superficial abscess to resolve, but the degree of epithelialization can vary dependent on many factors, and will most likely cause the abscess to reappear. Doing anything else is nearly guaranteed to make it worse and delay the inevitable (medical attention).

I hope this was informative enough to convince you to go seek medical attention from an ER. If it's not, I can post some pictures of abscess and maybe that will convince you.

-A120


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Figured I would post them anyway. Not going to hospital is a terrible idea. Nothing is worth losing a foot over.

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I had the exact same thing happen - foot was so swollen I couldn't get my shoe on and it hurt like a very hurty thing indeed. Not sure it was a miss (in my case) as I've missed several times in my foot and it hurts and leaves a lump but doesn't double in size and cause agony for a week. I thought I burst vein or summat but it sounds very similar to your friend's predicament. Mine got better all by itself but it took a good week or so. A doctor really would be a good idea just to rule out anything really nasty - better than losing a foot :\
 
A doctor is definitely needed for this situation if you don't want to risk losing a foot.
 
3 days in and it's not getting any better is not a good sign. She needs to seek medical attention ASAP. Is loosing a foot really worth it? Like others have said, got to another city/county, but go to a damn hospital.
 
Yea, I would go to a dr.. I had an abcess lanced (not related to drug use).. but even when they numbed it the pain was ridiculous and eventhough I have a ridiculously high pain threshhold not something I think I could have done on my own.. then it had to heal from the inside out. It was a staph infection. I went after 3 days when it went from a bump to something the size of a golf ball.. fucked up shit. Get her to a dr even if you have to use a fake name and go to a different town.. she could not just lose her foot but die from the infection. That infection can spread from the associated tissue to the bloodstream pretty quick.. she could then become septic. It would be horrible. Please make her go to a dr.
 
Honestly, it sounds more like a burst vein than an abscess to me. I had the exact same thing happen when I burst a vein in my foot - was bright red, bloody sore, doubled in size and took a week for the swelling to go down and the pain to ease off. Unless you have seriously flabby feet I'd imagine an abscess would be hard to not see cos there's so little flesh for it to fester in. I've had a few abscesses and they're hard to miss cos they're big, swollen, painful, yellowy/white mounds of pus. And if they hurt when they're lanced the nurse was just too tight with the local anaesthetic - never felt a thing whenever I had them dealt with at the hospital. No big deal as long as you get it cleaned out reasonably quickly.

But whatever the case, a doctor is the only option to be sure. It's not a risk worth taking. I don't know much about the US healthcare system (other than it sounds like a mightily fucked up system :\) but surely you can just turn up in A&E and get treatment? There must be a way to see a doctor in an emergency with no insurance without having to front money. Even America can't be quite that backwards surely ;)
 
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Honestly, it sounds more like a burst vein than an abscess to me. I had the exact same thing happen when I burst a vein in my foot - was bright red, bloody sore, doubled in size and took a week for the swelling to go down and the pain to ease off. Unless you have seriously flabby feet I'd imagine an abscess would be hard to not see cos there's so little flesh for it to fester in. I've had a few abscesses and they're hard to miss cos they're big, swollen, painful, yellowy/white mounds of pus. And if they hurt when they're lanced the nurse was just too tight with the local anaesthetic - never felt a thing whenever I had them dealt with at the hospital. No big deal as long as you get it cleaned out reasonably quickly.

But whatever the case, a doctor is the only option to be sure. It's not a risk worth taking. I don't know much about the US healthcare system (other than it sounds like a mightily fucked up system :\) but surely you can just turn up in A&E and get treatment? There must be a way to see a doctor in an emergency with no insurance without having to front money. Even America can't be quite that backwards surely ;)

Nah In America they have to treat you in a situation like that.. they can't turn you away, it's illegal. The main 3 things are labor, chest pain, and breathing problems.. they also legally have to stablize you before they can "kick you out" but something like the OP is describing would be taken very seriously at an ER in America, aside from the one in the town I live in where people have literally bled to death in the waiting room but that's an entirely different story.. lol If you go to the ER with a legit problem they will treat you.
 
Then I really don't get why so many US folk seem to try anything to avoid going to a hospital. From what I heard you get charged for treatment later (or your insurance does?) but I presume there is some kind of allowance made for people who don't have insurance and can't pay so shouldn't be an issue in an emergency. Or I may be way off on the payment thing but medical treatment costs come up a lot so presume it's an issue for some. It's a complete mystery to me - free universal healthcare ftw <3

Back on-topic (just) - whatever the problems you think will come from seeking treatment, I doubt they will really be such a problem and making sure you haven't done yourself a real nasty has to be worth it. If it is a burst vein then anti-inflammatories should help with the swelling. Antibiotics may nip any infection in the bud but won't get rid of an abscess.
 
^Well if their hospitals are anything like the one here I could understand why they would avoid it at all costs.. Usually there's a super long wait, super rude nurses and staff. Sometimes the nurses will try to shoot you up with god knows what to keep your dose of pain medication (depending on what you're in there for) ER's here are generally a shitty experience.. it usually takes around 3 hours to be seen 4-6 hours for them to treat you and 2 hours to get your discharge papers.. the only decent ER experience I have ever had was when I went in for galbladder issues (at a different hospital in a different city). Also when I had my C-section the hospital staff was nice to me.They were nice and treated me with respect.. The hospitals around large cities treat people like shit cause they are jaded about crackheads and shit like that... and don't even get me started on primary care doctors and insurance companies.. Personally I think the Japanese have the health system right..

The Ambulance staff steals drugs and equipment off the trucks and the patients and walk around with a range of very creepy shit... alot of them have no idea of what they're doing.. don't have the proper training.. in some states they can basically do what they want if a paramedic is present.. it is so fucked up it's not even funny.. Half the time they do what they want anyways.. atleast where I live.. fucking SCARY. I have witnessed this jackassery first hand because I know people who work on Ambulances.... they steal drugs and hoard them almost like a status thing.. weird shit like paralytics.. half of these people I wouldn't let do my hair or my nails much less work on me in an Emergency situation.. it's fucking SCARY.

Like I mentioned in the ER here people have bled to death in the waiting room, a nurse gave all the babies in the nursery herpes, has amputated wrong arm, breasts ect... , the staff is rude and does not give a shit... Before I got my MRI and my diagnosis for my spinal problems I fell in the tub and went in there and the Physicians Assistant treated me like the biggest piece of shit to walk the earth. Not all hospitals are this bad, but sadly alot of them are close.

I am fucking stoked they are actually opening a new hospital here soon. It's about time people had a choice in this town.

Oh and LOL a hospital charged me 27.50 for a single percocet 5. Yes. It was on the itemized bill of my stay.. hahaha
 
Between your posts in this thread and the PM I got earlier from one of your countywomenfolk who lives in the UK so has seen both sides, I've learnt more about the US healthcare system than I ever expected to or will ever need. I'm virtually qualified to take over as health advisor to BaraBama now. Suspect I'd do a better job too. You guys actually have to pay a lotta money to scamscum insurance companies - who can and will pull the rug and leave you screwed if they possibly can - for a system that seems worse than ours in every conceivable way. Except one - medicine motivated purely by profit means you get way better prescription drugs than we do. But ours are free so can't complain - more money to spend on illegals :D

Apologies for going way off-topic - I blame the (free) drugs 8)
 
^You can tell the quality of a dr by the pens clocks ect and the drug names they have on them.. LOL

And Obama sucks.. his whole idea is nonsense.. I am not even going to debate this here... only 800 some odd days til he is out of office.. lol

And yes you pay alot of money for insurance so they can dick you around and treat you like shit...
 
I do not have insurance, but I do have medicaid here in New Jersey. Unfortunately I have package G, which really only covers office visits at my GP, and pays for prescriptions. I have cancer, and the cancer center I go to is part of the hospital near me. 95% of the doctors are great, and treat me well despite knowing my past as an IV heroin user. (Now on methadone). Anyways, as you could imagine chemo-therapy and all the tests and whatnot I have to get done regularly is NOT cheap. Luckily, since I can't work, and am broke, and have been living with my Mom since my Dad died last year, the state approved me for 100% charity care. Meaning I don't have to pay a dime for my treatment. I still get copies of the bills in the mail though, and currently, at this point in my treatment, I am up to well over $200,000.

Charity care also covers ER visits, so if you have no insurance, the hospital will treat you regardless. Anyone who is avoiding the hospital because of lack of insurance, is just being dumb in my opinion. Anyone can apply for charity care. Also, many doctors will just write off a procedure if you write them a letter stating how you have no money, appreciate their services, etc. I'd rather have a bill I can't pay, than lose my life or a limb because of something stupid. Surprisingly my lack of insurance and money has not prohibited me from getting any of the care I have needed. Basically the one good thing I can say New Jersey has done for me, lol.
 
"AND REMEMBER U WILL BE ALRIGHT GIVE IT A WEEK AS LONG AS U DONT FEEL LIKE SICK OR ANYTHING REALLY FUCKED UP U WILL BE OK IF AFTER A WEEK IT STILL FUCKED UP...TAKE UR ASS IN ASAP..... I KNOW I WILL BUT AFTER THE IB PRFIN I FEEL GOOD.SO MUCH BETTER. "

"You will be alright?" Are you fucking kidding me? If the OP's "friend" waits a week per your advice, there's a good chance she could lose her leg, or be dead. Sure, that's alright. Please don't spew clueless garbage.

OP...tell your friend that there are HIPPA laws for a reason. She has the right to receive medical treatment and have her privacy respected.

Going to a hosp in a neighboring town sounds like a perfect idea, b/c she won't be as worried about her local docs finding out. Even still, there is just no way that she should even consider not having it looked at. She's taking a HUGE chance by doing that. It's not worth it!

V....holy crap! Remind me to NEVER visit the hospital where you live! Good lord! I've worked at several of our local hospitals, and while the system isn't perfect by any means, there is no nightmarish scenarios like you described, wow. The worst part of an ER visit here, is the wait, like you described. 2 hours in the waiting rm, another 2 to see a doc after you get to the back, a few more for testing and diagnosis, and another 3 for d/c papers (that part kills me, lol)

As someone who worked in a hosp, one reason the staff isn't always so pleasant (not saying it's acceptable, just trying to explain)...is that 80% of the people coming in to be seen are with colds, and shit that should be handled at the doctor's office, but b/c so many people don't have insurance, they can go to the ER, be seen, and never have to pay the bill. The ER should be reserved for EMERGENCIES, not the sniffles, or a cough, or a splinter. And b/c there are SO many of those kinds of cases clogging up the ER, it makes the staff's job that much harder....they are trying to take care of everyone when maybe only 1-2 out of 10 patients of theirs actually even NEED urgent care. It's just one example of a screwed up system...as is the example of your outrageously priced Percocet (insane isn't it?? You couldn't sell it for that on the freakin street!!!). HOWEVER, for as flawed as our system may be now....you just wait for how its going to be when Obama is done with it. Sure, everyone will have insurance, you just won't be able to see a doctor for God knows how long, and YOU will no longer dictate your care or choose your doctors....nor will the doctors be able to guide your care and order the proper tests and meds....Uncle Sam will make all those decisions. QUALITY of healthcare as we know it will suffer drastically. I've read the healthcare reform bill top to bottom (eye bleeding lemme tell ya)....I'm willing to bet that at leat 70-80% of Americans have NO clue what's to come. Do we need some sort of change? Absolutely. Is THIS the answer? HELL no.

/Rant over. LOL
 
thats sad... not her foot, just resorting to injection... i feel bad for her
 
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