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Need help understanding Anhedonia; Follow up on previous thread
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Yes, but most people don't understand true anhedonia. I don't blame them; before my SSRI withdrawal-induced anhedonia, I couldn't have either.
I'll give an example of why real anhedonia is SO MUCH worse than depression: When you're depressed, you can lie down and go to sleep listening to your favorite song. When you are anhedonic, it's pointless to listen to music; it provides no pleasure whatsoever and is just background noise.
I could not feel most emotions when I was anhedonic. No anger, excitement, or joy. Interestingly, though, I could feel irritability, and frustration, the latter being the most common.
Living with anhedonia is like jacking off without pleasure, hoping the orgasm will be pleasurable but it turns out it isn't. Then jacking off in a different way, with the same results.
This may or may not be relevant, but no drug helped it, either. I tried amphetamine, methylphenidate, benzos, psychedelics, weed, and opiates. Mine was caused by SSRI withdrawal, though, so that might be why.yep, masturbation/sex isnt pleasurable when you are anhedonic..u simply go from day to day without rhyme or reason..nothing 'rewards' you in any significant way..it isnt about 'trying new things' either, it goes much deeper..
i also slightly agree with pofacedhoe that many of us, especially those that have experienced the wonderful highs from drugs, expect too much out of life..
I got alot of negative shizophrenia symptions also suffer from blunted emotions and anhedonia, now it appears that desoxypipradol is the only thing that brings back my emotions, one day i was coming down and due to events felt really bad and depressed, but it was AWESOME compared to the nothingness of anhedonia hell.
It takes a shitload of experimentation to get remission from my predromal shizophrenia and negative symptions, i nearly killed me several times trying all sort of mixes, trying experimental rc wich may help because of understanding the neuropharmacology behind shizo etc, and then also the right augmentation is needed.
In my case i need the addition of rhodiola to make desoxy (only that stim works) give me emotions back, but trust me finding the right things togheter with the right combo is nearly impossible, it took me years of experimentating, some very risky combo's but i never gave up fixing myself (giving up is stupid, deciding to live with anhedonia is stupid imo, like why the fuck live? Well in my case the answer will be fear of death.
I tried a shitload of things, the ones i think have most postential: GHB (obviously this has enormous risks, AMT in low daily treshold doses, DMT in treshold doses, treshold doses 2CD, tramadol, oxycodone, amphetamine, ethylphenidate, desoxypipradol and much more.
I dont see hows that possible, thats like saying that after experiencing sex you wont enjoy talking to people anymore, reward=reward wich you will allways enjoy.Wouldn't it be more like, after experiencing sex you won't enjoy masturbation so much?
I don't know if I agree with the idea, but the premise isn't impossible. After experiencing the rewards of drugs you won't enjoy the rewards of life as much.
It's like how "great" you feel after vigorous exercise, or acing an exam doesn't feel so great compared to shooting heroin. Maybe before you got enjoyment(reward) from life activities/achievements, but compared to getting high...there is no comparison.
It even makes sense on a biological level, if the drugs impact the reward pathways and cause down-regulation of said receptors/neurotransmitter systems then I could definitely see how drugs could impact the reward sensation provided by "sobre" activities.After a high life feels boring because the reward receptors are downregulated, they do upregulate again but there are many cases of anhedonia after drug abuse, however it also depends what rewards you often enjoy, getting fucked by a gangbang of girls will cause a ton of pleasure but a fat nerd installing windows will experience the ultimate pleasure too, and as long that pleasure satisfie's the fat nerd doesnt miss out on anything.
Hard to explain my point, will make more sense in a bit.
That is unless indeed the reward receptors are downregulated, if you prevent that then that doesnt apply. Personally after comming i enjoy talking "more" in my mind atleast as the body regulates stuff to keep things in balance, reward ofsex goes off talking regains the most pleasurable activity.
Unfortionally the brain hasnt got this feedback mechanismfor drugs, would safe everyone of addiction if after shotting heroin it doesnt intrest you anymore and are more interested in a tea or coffee and some biscuits while having a nice chat.
I have been reading your old posts and you said that the amphetamine + memantine combo with a 1 or 2 days break at week was working with you, what happened? does it stopped working? Is that combo uneffective in long-term?I just stopped it as i discovered i was predromal shizophrenic, in that cause potentiating glutaminergic function is the way to go as mem makes the glut hypoactivity worse and when i experimented with a higher dose with amp i got my first psychosis, nothing to worry about if you dont have any shizo like issues. I tought that combo fixed me but i was still quite far from being fixed i just didnt notice the shizo side effects, targetting that issue improved me in a ton of ways i even never experienced lol.
