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evilblueberry

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Hi all, I am sure this is asked a lot but there is so much mixed information and I am just sick of these damn pills. My doctors office just closed and I'm almost out of pills and no other doctor will help me. I'm tired of dealing with this so I just have to stop. Does anyone have experience with anything that helps and know what helps the most so I can put together a plan.

I am looking at different options but wasn't sure which ones are best. So far I just looked up the thomas recipe but I have tried it in the past and it did not help much at all for me. Also, I don't really like tapering because then I just end up back where I started, don't think I have the willpower for that so just want to go cold turkey. Thank you in advance
 
Hey BlueBerry, I am not a big fan of tappers either as I think they are really hard to maintain and only keep us in hell for that much longer. Are Opiates the drug you want to detox?

The medications I would explore the use of for detox would be:
>Clonidine< DOSED EVER FOUR HOURS..

one of either
>NEURONTIN< >HERE< >HERE<
OR >Lyrica<

>A BENZO BUT JUST AT NIGHT<
>a nsaid<
>melatonin<
tylenol

Addiction Guide
The Brain and Addiction (under construction)

Then when the acutes are over you will need to come up with a plan to combat the PAWS and I recommend doing this before you begin to detox as our minds can get pretty clouded during this process so I think its better to have a plan in place ahead of time.

Why We Don’t Get Better Immediately: Post-acute Withdrawal Syndrome (PAWS)
Post Acute Withdrawal (PAW) Excerpted From “Staying Sober” By: Terence T. Gorski
Post-acute-withdrawal syndrome Wiki
Hey I thought the grey matter of ADD could chew on this....
EXERCISE AND MOOD

There is a ton of information there but I feel its all pretty valuable stuff and will likely aid you in coming up with a plan.
Its not as bad as we imagine its going to be and it only takes a little while to wander out of the woods;)
 
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There are a whole bunch of people that are posting today and looking to kick so Im going to introduce you all buy linking all your threads in all your threads. I encourage you to participate in their efforts as this is kinda how we addicts get down this crazy ass river.. tied to one another.. that way hopefully when one person is sinking the others can give a hand.


Need it, I don't want it.. But I fear when I'm not on it...
Need help quitting oxycodone - Urgent
Need support trying to kick dope....I need help
stuck on smack need advice im in a bind and dont know what to do
Of the hopeless variety..
j_rod &&& AnneB

Obviously we will have shuffles as life progresses but since so many of us seem to be in the same boat at the exact same time I thought that a really string kick support may form so I will pass this around.


You can do this!!!!!
 
Hello, thank you so for much the detailed response. I am reading through all the information now. I'm getting very anxious but I know this time I am going to do this for real and be done. I am looking in to the over the counter stuff you mentioned but for the prescription drugs I am kind of scared (like the benzo, etc) because I don't trust myself and know they can be addictive as well. I want to try to stay away from anything that could cause another addiction as I just couldn't handle going through this again. Do you know more natural type supplements or over the counters that could help in addition to what you mentioned? Anything non addictive? Thank you so much again.

If anyone has been through this before, I could really use any help from your past experiences as I am very worried right now.
 
If it were me I would just kick it. You'll be sick, but being sick might help you to realize that you don't need the goddamn pills. Being fucking sick as a dog, it gives some perspective to what addiction really is.
 
Here is a thread on the idea of natural products to combat opiate withdrawals. >Herbal remedies and opiate withdrawal<

The medications I mention can easily be used for a week without creating any physical dependence and It may be hard to find much relief with out the manipulation of neurochemicals like GABA. By increasing the GABA with a benzo or lyrica or gabapentin you will feel relief from the aches and pains, restless legs, anxiety of withdrawals. The clonidine is something that I have never even heard of someone abusing. It is taken to control blood pressure and limit the unnaturally high adrenal response to detox. This will do many things but one of them will be that your emotional response will not be so unnaturally strong. It may also help with the burning freezing skin and if you are prone to certain emotions during detox. like depression, anxiety, fear, guilt.. etc etc it will lessen the power of these emotions.

The addition of the benzo at night is to try and facilitate sleep. tolerance to benzos happens very slow if at all. If you were to use a shorter acting benzo just at night to try and facilitate sleep for a week during withdrawal I cant imagine it causing any dependence at all. I also dont feel that benzos are addicting, yes people become physically dependent on them, but as they dont really seem to manipulate dopamine It dont think the are addicting.

Neurontin and lyrica can cause dependence but the use of these drugs for a week or less will not even come close to doing this and will likely make your chances of success with the opiate detox better by making you feel significantly better.

I'm not saying your making a mistake by being cautious about developing a problem with another drug or medication when you get of the opiates. I think its a very intelligent thing to be concerned about. IO just wanted to give you my opinion of how dangerous, the use of these drugs used on a short limited use basis for opiate withdraws for a week or two, it may be that you will develope a problem with these drugs.

even with the addition of these drugs you will still likely be uncomfortable. I personally haven't heard of any herbal remedies that have made much if any difference. Well I guess kratom but as that works n the opiate receptors it doesn't really help with withdrawal as it prevents it.


If you prefer to use a supplement to try and promote the GABA rather then needing to get a prescription then this is the route I would take >Phenibut<

Your at the start of a whole new life=D
 
Hi blue barry. I wanted to post my experience. Ive had a long go on opiates.i ran out of my scrip early by a week.i get perscribed lyrica along with my hydromorp(dalaudid)). And usually I usr lyrica to get me to my next script.which works very well.but from reading other post on bluelight I discovered loperamide(imodium).lopermide will get you through the wd's no problem with little to no side effects.i personally took 50mgs and feel fine.no side effects and no wd's at all.if I were to completely quit thats what I would use to get over the hump of wd's, after that get a hoby that you can do at home and stay away from friends that do opiods.. I had to move across canada to get that done.i quit cold turkey that time and it worked.i made it a whole year before I relapsed.if your a true addict then stay away from the pills.if you have access you will do them. Hope this helps
 
Just a thought.dont tell you doc that your sn addict . It will stay on your files forever
 
.but from reading other post on bluelight I discovered loperamide(imodium).lopermide will get you through the wd's no problem with little to no side effects.

The vast majority of people who I have seen use lope to try and beat the acute withdrawals either end up physically addicted to it buy just replacing it for their opiat, or end up prolonging their time in acutes. On a few occasions two people started detoxing opiates at the same time. On choose to try the lope one didn't. Its just hard to see the person who chose the lope struggling weeks if not months after the person who choose to use no opiate antagonists is out of the tunnel and feeling worlds better. In my opinion lope is great to use to stave of withdrawals if a person has no intention of cleaning up and just needs to make it until they can get their opiat. But I think it causes worlds more pain than it prevents when the attempt is made to use it to help detox.

This link is to a thread in OD and as OD has different rules it may contain triggers>> Loperamide Withdrawal
 
Good point neversick.if you are going going to quit any opioid you are gonna be uncomfortable. Maybe lopermide will get you past the first couple worst days but one will still have to to tough out those hard but doable couple months.
 
Hi guys,
Thank you for the tips and support. Right now I am worried about having to work while withdrawing or in PAWS. With my work schedule I can get nine days off in a row. Will this be enough time for me to recover and return to work? Or do I really need to get more days off? I can’t imagine having to work while withdrawing, I don’t know how I would do it.
 
Im at work now.day 5 of a 50mg a day hydromorph habit.lope got me through the worst 3 days .after that I just suffer a little bit as expected. No days off lol

Once you go through it a couple times its less scary I guess

Ps just my experience. Cant say for anyone else
 
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Wow I can't believe you can do it with no days off. It terrifies me even thinking about withdrawal. Are you taking anything other than lope? Any supplements or vitamins or anything at all that have helped you?
 
evilblueberry, I very recently just got off of oxycodone, about 90mg a day(i'm 150lbs) while working full time construction job. IMO, the most important thing to remember is to stay focused on the goal. No matter what, you can not let yourself forget the bigger picture- you want to get off opiates. Whatever your reasons may be, do not forget them. Write them down everyday if you have to. That little bit of hope is what is going to be pushing you through the WDs.

WDs are different for everyone, it will depend greatly on how much you took a day and how long you have been taking them for. Obviously the bigger the habit the bigger the WD. If you are serious about getting off them, start tappering right now with the remaining amount you have. You want to step yourself off as gradually as possible, the limit being that its in a short enough time frame so you don't slip up or lose focus. I started by cutting down as much as possible. You want to step yourself down to the point that you start to feel the WD, if possible take it as far as you can until you can't stand it anymore, then take a maintenance dose- enough to stop or ease the WDs, not enough to get you high or buzzed. How far you can push yourself will depend greatly on your setting- for me, when I was doing shovel work in 115F weather also happened to be when I was on my taper. Those days when I was exerting myself already were not the days that I could really push myself on cutting down, but there came a point where I had a very limited amount left and if I wasn't going to go out searching for more then I would have to stick to a strict taper. I had a bottle of 50-10mg hydrocodone I used to taper once I was taking 1/4 of the 30mg oxy. For me, it was a good thing in some ways that I had to work while going through WDs because it gave me something to keep me focused on other than just "don't take anymore..don't take anymore..don't take anymore..." all day. Also, I used weed to help with the body aches, lack of appetite/nausea, and insomnia. Some people like using benzos for this but I had a problem with mixing opiates and benzos, so benzos was a no no for me. I still smoke weed everyday and would like to quit, or atleast take a break, but its better than being on opiates all day. I have way more energy.

Also I started really watching what I eat, trying to eat as healthy and balanced as possible as well as exercising daily. Your body's metabolism alone will have a huge impact on your energy levels throughout the day, and one way to help regulate it is by eating every 2-3 hours, keeping sugar and fat intake as low as possible and eating as fresh and unprocessed as possible. I have some friends who take supplements like fish oil and are all about them, I personally don't have the extra money to spend on them at the moment, still recovering from the cost of my habit.

There is no exact science to it though, everyones habits are different so the path to breaking that cycle will be different for everyone. What works for some may not work for others. The biggest thing is to start to ask yourself what things led you to your habit, what your life will look like if you break this habit, and starting to find healthy things to replace the habit. I know a lot of people who start using pills because of some sort of chronic pain, but opiates dont cure chronic pain. There are a lot of doctors out there who will tell you the best thing for chronic pain is a diet of raw unprocessed food and exercise. I know for myself, I started focusing just simply on doing things that will make me healthier. Even little things, just whatever I could at first to start to progress into a healthier lifestyle. Getting your body and mind in shape and making sure it has all of the nutrients it needs is actually a fairly difficult thing to do in todays world. I quit smoking cigarettes not long after I quit opiates and started running in the morning, no fast food, eat as healthy as possible, and stay away from people who bring negative stress/thoughts or other people who use. It was like once I actually took the steps toward getting sober they became easier and easier with each one. I had gotten sober for days to weeks at a time before, but this time really felt different. This time I wasn't holding back and I was really pushing myself to strive again.

9 days should be enough time to get make it over the hump of the WDs, if you start preparing for it. You have to hit those first few days of sobriety with as much energy as possible. Don't spend your time off laying around, get up first thing in the morning and go run, eat a big breakfast, then do something that you can focus your energy on but something that will relax you as well. For me playing music and getting out of town was crucial. I went camping and visited old friends as much as I could during that time. Do all those things that you've thought about but been to fucked up on oxy to do. Maybe not all of them actually, pick your battles wisely but do those things that make you feel alive again. DON'T BE AFRAID OF SOBRIETY, IT WONT KILL YOU. Seriously if you can make it past the first few days you will get a taste of what its like to feel TRUE happiness again.

I have so many friends who have gone through this exact thing its heart wrenching. Some have made it through and are living life and striving again. Some are still going back and forth between the two, and some are completely lost still. The ones who have made it through are the ones who have found reasons to stay sober, found something other than dope to live for. Don't be afraid to reach out, but at the same time you may need to be careful as to who you reach out to for not everyone may understand where you are coming from.


Biggest thing tho, just don't give up. No matter what, you must do this for yourself, for your health. It may benefit people you love, but if you lose those people you love you cannot afford to lose your reasons to stay sober as well. hang in there, you will pull through.
 
Really nice post Mafioso=D So many strong things said but i like this one most of all "I know a lot of people who start using pills because of some sort of chronic pain, but opiates dont cure chronic pain" and may just make it worse in the long run.
 
The first couple days i feel like I can't eat so I buy a couple of 6packs of ensure. I drink them every couple hours . every morning on the way to work I buy 2energy drinks.and also I get 450mg of lyrica a day perscribed to me.so I use it when I need it and stock pile the rest. Lyrica will get rid of wds to but if you take it for days on end its tolerance builds.you end up taking alot to get wds gone.and it fucks you up .double vision,floating feeling,drunken stupor kind of stuff. I would say the lope is way better at that point when you do your last opiate. Take it when you buzz goes away .then you got 3 days of fine.that way the worst was avoided.you will still feel like shit for a while after that.so buy more ensure and energy drinks for work.dont take days off work.work keeps you busy.just say you got a bad cold . because you will look like shit too.as I do now. But I feel fine and like I have a cold.way way better than wds.my DOC is hydromorphone. The wds are hard and fast. And now im almost at 7 days without opiates.thinking of quitting..............now im on day 7.no lope no lyrica and surprisingly feeling great.get my script monday morning so I doubt ill quit.
 
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