dustnbones
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Hello,
This is a very informative forum and I've read a lot of good information on the best ways to mitigate some withdrawl symptoms after kicking opiates. This the first thread that I've posted and I hope I posted in the correct location.
I was laid off from my job and no longer have the money to keep paying cash for doctors appointments and then paying for prescriptions. I have been taking Subutex for several years for pain and I am down to 2mg and am planning to kick hopefully within the next couple of weeks if I can get my dose low enough.
I have 27/8mg Subutex pills and 8 Suboxone Films so at 2 or less mg per day, I have enough to last a while if the need be, but I really want off this stuff for once and for all. I am sick of depending on a uninformed doctor and sick of hiding the fact that I'm on this medication because of the Stigma attached to it. I wouldn't be on this stuff if a doctor had not "guaranteed" me that it wasn't physically addicting. I should have done more research, but I have to say that it did help me go to work every day and maintain my house when otherwise I would have had to take a very very long leave of absence. It kept me feeling well for several years when otherwise I would have been miserable. I'm better now though and it's time to quit...hopefully.
I was actually taking splitting my dose into 3 doses per day, but cut out the third using Xanax. I was only taking .125 mg of Xanax once per day. It's a very small dose, but it works for me and I do not want problems cropping up from using too much, plus I know I'll need the rest of my prescription for when I kick for once and for all. I'm also having problems sleeping because I got used to taking Subutex to put me to sleep, but I bought a bottle of Nyquil and that stuff knocks me out cold. I had a 10-15mg a day Xanax habit for almost a year many years ago and Nyquil was a good replacement for helping me sleep for the first few weeks I was very fortunate as I have seen some people have real issues kicking that stuff, but what I think helped is that I didn't know it was physically addicting at the time so I wasn't just waiting for WD symptoms. I literally only had a few very minor panic attacks in loud crowded places and a tough time getting to sleep. Other than that, I was fine. It's amazing how much influence beliefs can have on your body. If only I still believed Subutex was non-addictive.
I ordered a bunch of Premium Balil Kratom and was wondering if it might be helpful in cutting out the 2nd dose? If I could even use it to skip days after weaning down it would really be helpful, but I am afraid of building a tolerance and then it not working when I need it. Does anyone know if that is possible or will it work regardless. I'm not looking for a high, just some relief from the anxiety and other symptoms. I'm also wondering if I should buy it from more than one source? I bough 350 grams of Premium Bali Powder because I read that it is good for people going through opiate WD and don't know if I should buy Bali from another source or a different strain? I'm also wondering if I should buy something stronger for the first couple of weeks? This place claimed to be the supplier of most of the internet stores and I got it for about half of what other stores charge. I may have gotten lucky and hit a wholesaler, but I could have also bought crap.
I also don't plan to be on Kratom forever. I just know myself and if WD is really bad, I'll end up dependent on a doctor for the rest of my life. That's why I feel that I have to make it as pain free as possible. If I need to kick the Kratom later, it won't last as long as WD from sub and I will have hopefully tapered myself down enough to feel minimal discomfort, I can even use my leftover Sub to do a 3-4 day detox at a very low dose, but only if absolutely necessary. I'd rather put that stuff away forever and when I know WD is gone completely, FLUSH IT so I don't end up back in this situation.
I have also read about Loperamide. How much do you need to take in order to feel relief? I am on a low dose of Sub so will 4-6 mg help or do I need to go higher? I don't want to use enough to give me WD issues from the Loperamide, just enough to help. And do most people buy it in the Immodium form or can you get pure Loperamide OTC? I don't want to have to take a bunch of additives if I don't have to.
I also saw that Tagamet helps. If true, how much should I take?
If anyone knows of any other OTC meds that can help with WD, I would very much appreciate your input. Any vitamins or herbs? I found a herbal mix on the internet which is supposed to help, but it costs almost $100 dollars and I don't want to spend the money on something that may not help.
Sorry for the long post and all of the questions, I am a nervous wreck just thinking about it and I know if I could just keep my mind off it, I would do much better. I kicked pain pills and it took me months to get up the nerve to do it. I tapered down as low as i could and only felt leg cramps and some depression, but I had myself so friggin scared that I stayed on them for much longer than I needed to.
I would also be interested in hearing from anyone that kicked using Kratom or anything else that helped.
The only people that knew I was on this medication were me and my Dr. so I don't have much support. My Dr. told me that my dose was low and all I would need was Ibuprophen so I can't depend on him. He basically just gave me a Catapress prescription and said "take care." Never said I could call him or anything. Just goes to show that some are just in it for the money.
I want to thank everyone for all the informative posts. I am still pretty anxious, but yesterday when I decided to do this for once and for all, I was a basket case and after finding this form and reading all the good info on people's experiences with Kratom and other things that helped with some of the WD symptoms, I feel much better. I know much of this is in my mind as I still have a lot of medication and have switched from Sub to Pain Meds and back before and I was fine. I'm just afraid Kratom won't help me even though it has helped countless people. I did try it a couple of times and when I took 6mg, I felt it on top of my medication, but a few days later, I took about 12 mg first thing in the morning and didn't feel a thing and I'm thinking I took too much. Plus, that time I mixed it in Yogurt and I'm wondering if the fact that I ate it with food made it not as potent. I know when taking pain pills, a meal will kill a good buzz.
Again, sorry for the super long post and thanks for any input! I really do appreciate it.
This is a very informative forum and I've read a lot of good information on the best ways to mitigate some withdrawl symptoms after kicking opiates. This the first thread that I've posted and I hope I posted in the correct location.
I was laid off from my job and no longer have the money to keep paying cash for doctors appointments and then paying for prescriptions. I have been taking Subutex for several years for pain and I am down to 2mg and am planning to kick hopefully within the next couple of weeks if I can get my dose low enough.
I have 27/8mg Subutex pills and 8 Suboxone Films so at 2 or less mg per day, I have enough to last a while if the need be, but I really want off this stuff for once and for all. I am sick of depending on a uninformed doctor and sick of hiding the fact that I'm on this medication because of the Stigma attached to it. I wouldn't be on this stuff if a doctor had not "guaranteed" me that it wasn't physically addicting. I should have done more research, but I have to say that it did help me go to work every day and maintain my house when otherwise I would have had to take a very very long leave of absence. It kept me feeling well for several years when otherwise I would have been miserable. I'm better now though and it's time to quit...hopefully.
I was actually taking splitting my dose into 3 doses per day, but cut out the third using Xanax. I was only taking .125 mg of Xanax once per day. It's a very small dose, but it works for me and I do not want problems cropping up from using too much, plus I know I'll need the rest of my prescription for when I kick for once and for all. I'm also having problems sleeping because I got used to taking Subutex to put me to sleep, but I bought a bottle of Nyquil and that stuff knocks me out cold. I had a 10-15mg a day Xanax habit for almost a year many years ago and Nyquil was a good replacement for helping me sleep for the first few weeks I was very fortunate as I have seen some people have real issues kicking that stuff, but what I think helped is that I didn't know it was physically addicting at the time so I wasn't just waiting for WD symptoms. I literally only had a few very minor panic attacks in loud crowded places and a tough time getting to sleep. Other than that, I was fine. It's amazing how much influence beliefs can have on your body. If only I still believed Subutex was non-addictive.
I ordered a bunch of Premium Balil Kratom and was wondering if it might be helpful in cutting out the 2nd dose? If I could even use it to skip days after weaning down it would really be helpful, but I am afraid of building a tolerance and then it not working when I need it. Does anyone know if that is possible or will it work regardless. I'm not looking for a high, just some relief from the anxiety and other symptoms. I'm also wondering if I should buy it from more than one source? I bough 350 grams of Premium Bali Powder because I read that it is good for people going through opiate WD and don't know if I should buy Bali from another source or a different strain? I'm also wondering if I should buy something stronger for the first couple of weeks? This place claimed to be the supplier of most of the internet stores and I got it for about half of what other stores charge. I may have gotten lucky and hit a wholesaler, but I could have also bought crap.
I also don't plan to be on Kratom forever. I just know myself and if WD is really bad, I'll end up dependent on a doctor for the rest of my life. That's why I feel that I have to make it as pain free as possible. If I need to kick the Kratom later, it won't last as long as WD from sub and I will have hopefully tapered myself down enough to feel minimal discomfort, I can even use my leftover Sub to do a 3-4 day detox at a very low dose, but only if absolutely necessary. I'd rather put that stuff away forever and when I know WD is gone completely, FLUSH IT so I don't end up back in this situation.
I have also read about Loperamide. How much do you need to take in order to feel relief? I am on a low dose of Sub so will 4-6 mg help or do I need to go higher? I don't want to use enough to give me WD issues from the Loperamide, just enough to help. And do most people buy it in the Immodium form or can you get pure Loperamide OTC? I don't want to have to take a bunch of additives if I don't have to.
I also saw that Tagamet helps. If true, how much should I take?
If anyone knows of any other OTC meds that can help with WD, I would very much appreciate your input. Any vitamins or herbs? I found a herbal mix on the internet which is supposed to help, but it costs almost $100 dollars and I don't want to spend the money on something that may not help.
Sorry for the long post and all of the questions, I am a nervous wreck just thinking about it and I know if I could just keep my mind off it, I would do much better. I kicked pain pills and it took me months to get up the nerve to do it. I tapered down as low as i could and only felt leg cramps and some depression, but I had myself so friggin scared that I stayed on them for much longer than I needed to.
I would also be interested in hearing from anyone that kicked using Kratom or anything else that helped.
The only people that knew I was on this medication were me and my Dr. so I don't have much support. My Dr. told me that my dose was low and all I would need was Ibuprophen so I can't depend on him. He basically just gave me a Catapress prescription and said "take care." Never said I could call him or anything. Just goes to show that some are just in it for the money.
I want to thank everyone for all the informative posts. I am still pretty anxious, but yesterday when I decided to do this for once and for all, I was a basket case and after finding this form and reading all the good info on people's experiences with Kratom and other things that helped with some of the WD symptoms, I feel much better. I know much of this is in my mind as I still have a lot of medication and have switched from Sub to Pain Meds and back before and I was fine. I'm just afraid Kratom won't help me even though it has helped countless people. I did try it a couple of times and when I took 6mg, I felt it on top of my medication, but a few days later, I took about 12 mg first thing in the morning and didn't feel a thing and I'm thinking I took too much. Plus, that time I mixed it in Yogurt and I'm wondering if the fact that I ate it with food made it not as potent. I know when taking pain pills, a meal will kill a good buzz.
Again, sorry for the super long post and thanks for any input! I really do appreciate it.
