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Heroin Need Advice on Unique IV BTH Prep Technique?

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Recently joined the IV league, and need some pointers before I get myself hurt.

Ive been doing a lot of reading up on this topic so please don't blast me with a "utfse", as my technique is a bit different from the norm.

Since I lack luer-lock syringes, I've just been backloading a regular 1mL 100 unit insulin syringe to filter.

Here's my procedure:

dissolve product in COLD water -> backload with a designated reused "backload" syringe, push through (reused) "filter" rig packed with ~1/2 cm of cotton -> bring filtrate to light boil then boot up with a brand new rig.

Now my quesiton is: should I be reusing my filter rig at all? Or should I use it once and toss it?

Since I'm sterilizing AFTER it passes through the filter, I should be safe from cotton fever, correct?

So far I've reused it three times in ~12 hours with no issue, but I fear that bacteria could be festering in the filter medium given enough time - and a brief 1-2 second bubbly blast with a lighter may be insufficient to entirely sterilize the solution if this were the case.

I've been enjoying the ride so far, but I really don't want to push my luck.

Sorry if this has been covered before, but its difficult to dredge up information on this issue in particular.

Thanks.
 
You should never be reusing any syringe or needle more than once, even "filter" syringers, as they are perfect breeding grounds for bacteria to cultivate.

Also, NEVER shoot up Black Tar Heroin without micron filtering first! BTH is among the dirtiest street drug you can shove directly in to your bloodstream, and some Bluelighters or of the opinion that even micron filtered Black Tar is too dirty for IV administration.

Using cottons are ok when IV'ing street drugs like cocaine, crystal methamphetamine, and east coast #4 powder heroin, but NEVER shoot up opiate RX pills, suboxone film strips and tablets, and Tar Heroin without micron filtering, it's just too risky, and it's how people end up losing all their arm veins by collapsing them, how people get fascilitating necrotisis, pulmonary embolisms, endocartitis, MRSA, and all the other "wonderful" illnesses you can acquire by not taking the proper precautions before injecting a shot directly in to their mainline, which means that your body has no barrier against bacteria or viruses like it does when taking a drug orally or, to a lesser extent, insufflation, vaporizing, and plugging.
 
ErgicMergic said:
Also, NEVER shoot up Black Tar Heroin without micron filtering first! BTH is among the dirtiest street drug you can shove directly in to your bloodstream, and some Bluelighters or of the opinion that even micron filtered Black Tar is too dirty for IV administration.
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PLEASE, PLEASE heed this warning!!
This CRAP destroyed so many of my veins in under 3 weeks, after using drugs intravenously for over four years prior. It's completely not worth it. Yes, some BTH will be better than others, and I'm sure the majority of what I had was pretty much shit, but still, I cannot stress how much I regret using that crap...And not just because it can now take up to 30-40 minutes for me to hit a vein, but also because I seriously get paranoid about my health now-there is only ONE vein left on the pinky side of my arm, which I can't even hit, unless I use my teeth to pull back on my plunger-which I won't do as my gf can hit there if I can't go anywhere else.

Seriously, I think you're better off shooting pills (with a micron filter) than this shit. Smoke it man, plug it, whatever, don't shoot it-if you want to shoot heroin, move to the east coast where your veins will have a shelf life that lasts longer than a month.
 
Okay guys advice heeded.

Although this is my first run at IV, I've had zero issues using my main veins in both right and left elbows.

I don't even have marks 5 minutes after pulling out. I guess my "technique" itself is sound, but the product isn't.

It was a fun run, although I never really got the whole "dope rush" thing everyone is always raving about. It still takes like 2 minutes or so for me to fully "feel" the dope... weird I guess. Maybe my dope is weak... or I'm doing weak shots; they're the color of green tea (completely transparent) with 50 units in the rig. Who knows.

I had the same issue when getting IV dilaudid in the hospital. 4mg's IV'd with a naive tolerance and I just got sort of a warm creep throughout my limbs, then steadily got properly high within a minute or two.

Anyway, back to tooting and plugging I suppose : (
 
I agree with what everyone stated for the most part.

Also would like to add that you should not be heating the solution, even if you filter it first. There's just no point and it could still make unsoluble shit that got through the cotton soluble.
If you insist on continuing to IV w/ out a micro, you need to still filter with a cotton normally after filtering through a syringe.
 
rhun said:
Also would like to add that you should not be heating the solution, even if you filter it first. There's just no point and it could still make unsoluble shit that got through the cotton soluble.
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I disagree, there can be a point, it does kill SOME bacteria/viruses (not all!) and if he's heating it after filtering how is that going to do any more damage than not heating after filtering? If it's already the final solution that he's going to be injecting, what difference does it make if whatever may have passed through the filter gets heated or not? It's still going in his veins one way or the other.

rhun said:
If you insist on continuing to IV w/ out a micro, you need to still filter with a cotton normally after filtering through a syringe.
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I'm confused, why? He's talking about the method of using a filter (presumably cotton?) packed inside a syringe, squirting the unfiltered solution into the back of that syringe, then depressing the plunger so that the solution is pushed through the filter and squirts out of that syringe into a fresh syringe. Which is actually a much better method than just putting a cotton into the "cooker"/whatever and drawing the solution up through the cotton. Are you just saying filtering twice is better than filtering once?

He just needs to NOT re-use the filter/filtering syringe. Of course a micron filter would definitely be much better though.

A question: If tar heroin is filtered through a micron filter before use, does that actually eliminate the damage it causes to veins? I always though tar heroin was damaging primarily because of it's acidity? My veins are certainly wrecked from using it, it would make them unusable after just 1 or 2 shots, but I was not aware of/using micron filters at the time (I no longer inject heroin, just asking out of curiosity).
 
Tar is simply not made for cotton filtering (maybe some heroin from the centers of the not-yet dissolved tar chunks were not extracted in this case), so make sure to ALWAYS micron filter it, seriously man. Btw, all it takes to dissolve the tar chunks is water and time; you never should apply heat to opioids, since it degrades and destroys the opioid alkaloids.

Great choice on going back to the insufflation and plugging, btw. If you choose to go down the dark road of IV heroin addicton, at least until you have micron filters, sterile vials, and a better grasp and perfection on how to perform something as harmful as IV black tar, not only on a physical level where you can be potentially harmed, but also on a personal level where your life can spiral out of control in a matter of months and sometimes years, only to end up a slave to the liquid handcuffs of methadone maintenance for the rest of your life, or a low dose suboxone taper (<2 mg) if you are knowledgeable about bupe.

Is a few months of fun worth years of misery? It's your life, man, do as you please. We don't judge others in OD, but we can't sit around and watch a fellow BL'er at a crossroad of his life, one path leading to just appreciating those first few "honeymoon" highs for what they are (beautiful, and soon to be unobtainable, playdates with the "lady O," rides on the "dragon" of opium and being able to take him wherever you want to go; you would appreciate those first few honeymoon highs for what they are and cash your chips and walk away from this game while you still can, relatively unscathed, nonetheless.

The other path, if you choose to take it, is to keep chasing the "dragon" of opium (your opiate tolerance) by raising your dosage every time he takes a step forward (tolerance raises a notch), and pretty soon you begin IV'ing your heroin to "save money," which accomplishes that for all of a few weeks until your opiate tolerance has caught up to your much larger opiate use due to heroin being so affordable and you spending the same amount, and eventually catches up to you since you're spending the same money on dope as you would rx pills.

Anyways, just be safe, and when your highs start to wane and you hit the tolerance ceiling, it's better to just maintain your dose to stay "normal" than to keep upping and upping your doses. Best of luck! :)
 
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Swimmingdancer,

I was pretty sleepy when I typed that up so it was confusingly worded I'm sure.

I suggested filtering it a second time because cotton is a poor alternative so a micron, so at the very least the OP should filter more than once.
I really doubt heating it would kill enough bacteria to be worthwhile.. based on what I've read as well as what many BLers here have said, to kill bacteria and viruses in the solution you would have to heat it for a very long time.. I'm Food Safety Certified here in CA because I worked as a store manager for several years and basically the same thing was covered in my classes. We discussed what temps and for how long does food (or in this case liquid) need to be heated to be sterile. You would burn the dope before you made it sterile by using a lighter on it.

Though I suppose after filtering it a few times if the OP wants to heat it to make themselves feel better than hey, why not.
 
rhun said:
I suggested filtering it a second time because cotton is a poor alternative so a micron, so at the very least the OP should filter more than once.
I really doubt heating it would kill enough bacteria to be worthwhile.. based on what I've read as well as what many BLers here have said, to kill bacteria and viruses in the solution you would have to heat it for a very long time.. I'm Food Safety Certified here in CA because I worked as a store manager for several years and basically the same thing was covered in my classes. We discussed what temps and for how long does food (or in this case liquid) need to be heated to be sterile. You would burn the dope before you made it sterile by using a lighter on it.
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I see, that makes sense, I thought you were saying a cotton in cooker was better than the filter system he was using. It's very true that it's impossible to STERILIZE it, but it can kill SOME bacteria and viruses (I have seen some studies on this, and incidences of infection are also statistically lower in populations of drug users who cook their dope). So I like to correct people around here when they say it's absolutely pointless. It's just never advisable to heat it BEFORE filtering, since it dissolves cuts, so it's just easiest to tell most people "never heat your dope". My main confusion with your post was that you seemed to be saying heating it after filtering was more dangerous than not heating it :)
 
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