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Bupe need advice about stopping suboxone; now have stopped. merged thread.

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hey everyone i have gotten great advice bfore so i am hoping u guys will give me some of your opinions again. i have been on my suboxone for 3 months now and i am precribed 2 a day i have gotten myself down already to only taking 1 half a day now and i am thinkin about stopping all together. i have been an opiate addict for ten years by the way and i definitley dont want to go back to that my question is do yall think its to soon to quit and also at what dose does one usually just stop altogether at and how long do i need to b on that dose if i do stop i just want to continue stepping down. i was thinking a quarter of a 8 mg pill and the stopping altogether. (i take mine sublingual by the way). all advice is welcomed and needed!! thanx
 
If I deciphered your post correctly, you are currently taking 4mg's of suboxone a day.

If you want to quit, you need to drop your dose to about 2 mg's immediately. You should feel no withdrawal when doing this, and if for some reason you do, simply take tiny doses of suboxone until you feel better again. But, you should be able to get down to 2 mg's very quickly.

Then, start lowering your dose every other day or so by about 0.2-0.5mg's. Do this at a comfortable rate(you may have to do it slower than I described but most people would be extremely suprised by how little suboxone they can get by on even if they were at a higher dose, suboxone IS NOT like other drugs). Do this until you reach comfortable dose of about 0.2-0.5mg's.

Then, stay at this small dose for atleast 3 weeks, if not more. Then, once you have completely stabilized on this dose, you should be able to drop off there with little to no pain whatsoever. I take up to three 0.5mg doses every single day and I can stop taking suboxone whenever I want, for however long I want. It all has to do with the tiny dose, and being able to maintain on it for a long period of time. So, yes, this will take some time, but unfortunately thats what you got yourself into when you got on suboxone.

*Side note, at doses lower than 1-2mg's you should atually feel euphoria and energy boosts from the suboxone. This all has to do with bupe metabolite norbupernorphine that is a full agonist and can get you high and euphoric. You can use the search function on BL to find out all the information about that that you want. It has been extensively talked about.

Good luck!!
 
thak u very much ver helpfull and i have been wondering about this whole euphoria thing i have just been taking too much i guess!!! thankx very much
 
No problem and good luck. I live my life with low dose suboxone and I am extremely happy and no matter what people try to tell me about me "still being an addict" and "just switching one drug for another"....I am still going to live my life, happy, and knowing that I am not an addict and that I have made the right choices for myself to allow me to take this medication that has changed my life so much.

I am NO DIFFERENT than any other person who takes medication everyday to help them live a better quality of life......and that is millions of people. Do what you know is best for you and be happy with your decision.
 
i totally subscribe to the disease treatment model for addiction over 12-step programs, counseling and what not. if addiction is in fact a disease (like it's classified by the ama), i do not understand why the front-line treatment for it is a program that has a very low rate of success overall vs. daily medication, i.e. the frontline treatment for pretty much all other chronic diseases. i'm not saying the 12-step or similar paradigms are bad or never work or wouldn't be a great supplement, but i strongly feel that the medical community should start treating addiction more like a traditional chronic illnesss. sorry for the slight off-topic, but it just makes so much more sense.
 
once u can handle taking only .5 every 24hours, then u could stop. but there will still be SOME WDs, not bad but def not going to be an easy ride...

when pain patients gets RXd bupe they get .2mg

wanting to get off completly is a commitment, most people just maintance, which i think IMO is a lil addicty...and we dont wanna be addicts

bupe is just another opiate that comes with all that bullshit when u cant get any more

im on sub now, ive weened to about 2-2.5 mgs a day and hoping to get of as soon as possible, i feel like after 2mg is the hardest to wean down from, harder than when i went from 32mg to 4mg....
 
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I'd say 2mg is way too high of a dose to jump off... I'm at about 0.5mg and I know I'm going to feel it when I stop here in a few days...
 
stray cat said:
i totally subscribe to the disease treatment model for addiction over 12-step programs, counseling and what not. if addiction is in fact a disease (like it's classified by the ama), i do not understand why the front-line treatment for it is a program that has a very low rate of success overall vs. daily medication, i.e. the frontline treatment for pretty much all other chronic diseases. i'm not saying the 12-step or similar paradigms are bad or never work or wouldn't be a great supplement, but i strongly feel that the medical community should start treating addiction more like a traditional chronic illnesss. sorry for the slight off-topic, but it just makes so much more sense.
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thats a little far fetched imo

thats like saying addiction is a disease , WAIT that is wat the "ama" said

fucked up if u ask me

anyone can get addicted ANYONE

theres not one homo sapian who could not get addicted to an opiate

and now in the modern science world, humans have the capability for the brain to change and adapt...fact....from what they used to think everything was "set" in stone

it is a "disease" in the sense that once ur an addict, ull never not think about it...but thats no disease...more like saying "thats life"
 
to split them so small use a pill cutter. take one i assume 8mg and split that in half, split the half in half and so on
 
no, you cant use pill cutters with suboxone pills very efficiently. Since the pill was designed to dissolve in your mouth, they are very "crumbly" pills and lots of times they crumble when you use a pill cutter. You should just take like a half a pill, 4mg's,crush it up, and divide that into 8 equal piles, each pile being 0.5mg's. Allthough, you could also just use a quarter pill and crush it up into 4 piles, however you do it it would work.
 
PillPoppingAnimal said:
thats a little far fetched imo

thats like saying addiction is a disease , WAIT that is wat the "ama" said

fucked up if u ask me

anyone can get addicted ANYONE

theres not one homo sapian who could not get addicted to an opiate

and now in the modern science world, humans have the capability for the brain to change and adapt...fact....from what they used to think everything was "set" in stone

it is a "disease" in the sense that once ur an addict, ull never not think about it...but thats no disease...more like saying "thats life"
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any human being in the world who is exposed to any infectuous disease could then contract it, and it probably occupies a lot of their thoughts from then on too. i wasn't saying i think some people are born with the addiction disease and some aren't, although i think some people are more predisposed to get full-blown addicted than others, and i was not trying to get into any sort of argument about labels or trying to offend anyone. i promise. i'm an addict myself.

i was simply saying that if it is a disease, as the medical community and i believe---and it fits every criteria for that classification---why not treat it like every other disease in the world and try to help it with medicine instead of relying on spirituality and group support alone when it is statistically proven that such an approach has a single-digit success rate at best?
 
I agree with you strat cat.....when I read his post up there I didnt know what he meant by..."theres not one homo sapian who could not get addicted to an opiate."
Thats doesnt really make sense, theres also not one homosapien that couldnt get infected with one of the hundreds of thousands of diseases there are in the world.

Confused me a little.
 
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to split them so small use a pill cutter. take one i assume 8mg and split that in half, split the half in half and so on
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I don't think this works so well once you get past 2mg (or 1mg if you're really good). I say that the best way to do it is to get the pill into quarters and then crush the quarters and divide the powder into equal piles. As mentioned by jBrown, Suboone is very "Crumbly" once you start trying to get the pieces too small.

PS- You're good following jBrown's advice, it is certainly the way to go. A little kratom or other weak opiate for the transition would surely help out a good bit because even 0.2mg Suboxone is a good amount of opiate that your body will likely feel once it is removed. That's why I suggest a weak opiate to take in moderation to help with the withdrawal from the Suboxone, because it is fairly prolonged and intense... If you're stabilized at 0.2mg for over a week, you might not have that bad of symptoms, but I'd say you will still probably have some and should have a weak opiate on hand just in case.

I'm actually very close to my last dose of Suboxone before I quit, so I'll be going through it with you! I've done it a few times before so I know what to expect, and I'm apprehensive, but not completely scared. I would be much more worried if I didn't at least have kratom (a mild opiate obtainable all over)...

Be sure to come here for support or if you need any questions answered!
 
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what is kratom? i have never hear of it and i appreciate all this advice i really do actually means the world to me to have people to talk to!!!
 
jamesBrown said:
If I deciphered your post correctly, you are currently taking 4mg's of suboxone a day.

If you want to quit, you need to drop your dose to about 2 mg's immediately. You should feel no withdrawal when doing this, and if for some reason you do, simply take tiny doses of suboxone until you feel better again. But, you should be able to get down to 2 mg's very quickly.

Then, start lowering your dose every other day or so by about 0.2-0.5mg's. Do this at a comfortable rate(you may have to do it slower than I described but most people would be extremely suprised by how little suboxone they can get by on even if they were at a higher dose, suboxone IS NOT like other drugs). Do this until you reach comfortable dose of about 0.2-0.5mg's.

Then, stay at this small dose for atleast 3 weeks, if not more. Then, once you have completely stabilized on this dose, you should be able to drop off there with little to no pain whatsoever. I take up to three 0.5mg doses every single day and I can stop taking suboxone whenever I want, for however long I want. It all has to do with the tiny dose, and being able to maintain on it for a long period of time. So, yes, this will take some time, but unfortunately thats what you got yourself into when you got on suboxone.

*Side note, at doses lower than 1-2mg's you should atually feel euphoria and energy boosts from the suboxone. This all has to do with bupe metabolite norbupernorphine that is a full agonist and can get you high and euphoric. You can use the search function on BL to find out all the information about that that you want. It has been extensively talked about.

Good luck!!
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this. exactly this. I couldn't have said it better myself. you need to get to as small a dose as you're comfortable with and go like that for a few weeks. you'll know when you're ready to jump off. just take it easy and good luck man!
 
I just got off of suboxone and can tell you how I did it, even though people may disagree with my method.

I found that unless you taper down to doses beneath 0.1mg a day (1/80th of the pills you currently have) you will still experience very noticeable withdrawals.

Its best, I believe, to jump to a substance like kratom, tramadol or loperamide and taper using them.

Kratom works well for a little bit, but it kinda left me feeling depressed during the "comedown" if you can call it that.

Tramadol used to get me high-ish, but it just made me feel relaxed during the taper.

Loperamide, imvho, works the best. You wouldn't need to taper much more on the suboxone, although dropping to 2mg is a good idea, and then all you need to do is take a shit load of generic immodium. they sell em real cheap at C-O-S-*-*.

I started at 96mg of loperamide a day, and dropped by 2mg every day.

I was able to sleep okay every night of the taper, and didn't have any serious rls or anything.

but thats just what i did. yeah its eating a lot of pills, and yeah you have a hard time shitting at first, but it eliminates ALL of the withdrawals, including the mental aspect, and gives me a bit of a glow as well.
 
Im curious as to how long you stayed at that 0.1mg dose. In my experience, if you stay at a dose lower than ~1mg/day for longer than 2-3 weeks, you should have zero withdrawal effects and be able to drop off without the aid of kratom/tramadol/or any similar substance. Allthough, those aids dont hurt the process of course.
 
Frankly, I never got below 0.2mg a day. At 0.2mg I felt an opiate glow similar to what I felt at 0.5mg, but a little bit weaker. When I got down to 0.1mg, I no longer felt any effects and felt the WD's creeping in, so I switched to other things.

I probably stayed at a dose that was somewhere between 0.5mg and 0.2mg for over two months, and still felt WD'S upon cessation.

I found it easier to deal with a substance that I didn't find as "sexy" as suboxone - like taking immodium or kratom. With suboxone, I'd wake up and want to snort a sweet, orange line. With kratom, I didn't neccessarily have that pre-dosing excitement.

Suboxone never seemed sexy to me, though, until I tried to quit it. Once you get the sub withdrawals those orange pills start looking pretty damn good.
 
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