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NCAA football preseason Top 25

Well....

A Harvard transfer, redshirt freshman, or a true freshman....lol

I think the Harvard guy will start the season out and as the season progresses the redshirt will get more time....

Fucking Ryan Perilloux, we'd be right in the mix w/ UGA, OU, OSU, and USC if his dumb ass could chill out!!
 
Well Panderbear, how do you feel about losing Trinton Sturdivant for the season? He's got a torn ACL, PCL and MCL. Plus all the arrests and suspensions? I hope this doesn't turn out like that year Tennessee was supposed to win it all but got too arrogant and had players arrested on weapons and drug charges. Personally, I think we'll be okay, we have depth at Tackle and most of the suspensions will be finished after we thump Geo. Southern and Central Mich. My prediction honestly is Sugar Bowl with our schedule. No one can get through that one unscathed. And for those who think Matthew Stafford is overrated....lol you just don't know what kinda cannon he's got and how he can thread the needle. We are just a run first type offense. GOOOOOOO DAWGS!
---1999 alumni
--John McCain 08
 
None of the disciplinary problems really bother me. They aren't starters. Trinton will be missed, though. I hope someone steps up to fill his shoes.

Stafford is certainly not overrated. We're talking about a guy with some great potential, a great high school career, a great arm, but not a superman. He isn't being gushed about the way Tebow is/was (deservedly). Stafford-- if he develops some more finesse and control-- and nobody takes notice, will be underrated. As it stands now, Georgia fans are happy with him, and we don't delude ourselves. That's an ok position to be in.

As for where we're going to end up after the dust settles-- I must maintain that we belong in the NC, and that we have a chance of being there. The schedule we play is absurdly difficult, but every National Champion arrives with a combination of skill and luck. Anybody who goes to Miami this season will have had plenty of each.


I can't effing wait for a nice pic of UgaVII for my fall avatar. <3
 
^^^why wait, here's one behind bars already
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<3 ;)

Oh, and I checked the videos, the hitler burning man is a 3-4/10 whereas the UGA had tears rolling down my face worthy of 11/10. Pure genius.

smotpoker said:
I Am right on all points and you trying to argue against me is pointless.
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They will play in whatever bowl game they EARN! Just like they EARNED the chance to play in last years and game and the one before that.
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August 31st, the road to the N.C begins in Columbus, two weeks later the entire world will be watching the college football GAME of the YEAR, The Ohio State University VS the Trojans of Smoggy California. GAME OF THE YEAR BABY!
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Flawless logic, my friend. Glad to see the public education system in Ohio is still going strong. "I am right, end of discussion" 8) And they "earned" the bowl games, I'll concede....just as they "earned" the ass whoopings they got. Can't argue with you on that. And for GAME OF THE YEAR...well, perhaps GAME OF THE AFTERNOON, depending upon the NotreLame Broadcasting Channel and if they bump you for ND vs Sissy Mary's School for Orphans (where they are only picked to lose by 28 pts...at home) ;) Seriously, all eyes WILL be on that game for the first few weeks, because I can't think of any other game with such headliners so early. However, *if* OSU survives, then tell me how much MICH becomes your GAME OF THE YEAR? Oi, and if they do make the NC, I'm sure that won't be GAME OF THE YEAR because *yawn* nobody wants to watch them get their asses handed to them again.

admit it, you missed me this past month, didn't you. <3

cravNbeets said:
being a hated program kind of implies that your program is relevant. seriously can anyone think of another program that has fallen so far so fast? less than a decade ago they were competing for a national title, today they're a punchline. i dont say that to be insulting, its sad to see programs with a tradition of winning totally bottom out.
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Actually, I can think of two (probably 3). FSU and MIAMI, after being THE teams in the 90's, along with a fading NEBRASKA, they have fallen below the punchline and have drown in sub-mediocrity. When they were the shit, where was OSU? The whole Big10 conference? Regional coverage, baby. Backseat to ND in their own back yard, except for when they played MICH...which, tbh, for the rest of us was boring as shit. So the FSU-MIA teams didn't fade, they jumped from a cliff with their pockets full of rocks. OSU merely has stumbled a bit of late, with no support from their weakened conference buddies :\ OSU will never fall to the depths of those once storied programs, and in fact, I think the worst Tressel will ever see in his tenure is 9-3, and that's losing a bowl game (probably to an SEC team ;) ) and dropping to MICH and maybe some other stupid team they should have beat. They simply will remain atop their conference, at least in the top 2, with absolutely no reason to fall lower.

FSU-MIA-NEB, they fucked up, and are still paying for it. NEB will crawl out of it slowly but surely (though I'm not sure they'll reach their legendary status again). FSU and MIA may have solid (not spectacular) years here or there, but they shouldn't totally suck forever. MIA will crawl out after this coach or next, and FSU needs to send Bobby (along with JoePa) to the damn retirement homes and start rebuilding for real :\

But I get your point. Those teams really have fallen beyond relevance. OSU remains relevant, and always will - not because their conference will always suck (they've been strong before, and I sense the upswing coming), but because they won't falter when their conference does. Nor will they falter for any other reason. Tressel has a solid program, with minimal fuckups joining (now that they've worked the likes of Clarette and whatever T. Smith may or may not have done wrong) out of their system. They learn, they don't repeat those mistakes. FSU? MIA? They work hard to perfect such character selection mistakes. FL? UGA? TN? They seem to still be dabbling as they always have with character problems....maybe they learn and clean it up, maybe they don't and dig deeper holes (as I suspect Saban will, and possibly Petrino). OSU? No such problems. Seriously. But until their conference stiffens up, and they themselves perform better when given the big stage (ala mid-season games against TX or USC, and more importantly BCS Bowl Games)...they will get less and less respect - as smotpoker points out, it'll be "earned".
 
More football fodder: The Great Conference Debate

Basically looks at the first 5 and second 5 yrs of the BCS, using some SI concocted forumla for points on different criteria and ranks the conferences for both time frames. I've attached an image of their rankings for both time frames. Some of the interesting quotes from the 3 pg article:
What we looked at
SI.com decided to test this theory in the most empirical and comprehensive manner possible. On this, the five-year anniversary of the ACC's landscape-altering expansion announcement, we wanted to see how the conference pecking order had changed from the first five years of the BCS era (1998-2003) to the second (2003-'08). So we created our own "Conference Power Index" (CPI).

For both time periods (which spanned from the fall of the first year through the spring of the last), each of the six BCS conferences was ranked against the others in five different categories: BCS bowl record, percentage of teams in the final AP poll, nonconference performance (as measured by the RPI formula used for basketball), record in other bowl games and NFL draft picks per teams. Six points were awarded for first place, five points for second, etc, with the BCS and top 25 categories -- the most prominent goals of any team or conference -- weighted doubly. (See chart)
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The SEC was by far the strongest conference over the past five years, accumulating 40 of a possible 42 points. It placed a staggering 41.7 percent of its teams in the final AP polls, went 6-1 in BCS games and its 11-point CPI margin over the second-place Pac-10 (29) was the biggest discrepancy during either time period.

By no means, however, has the SEC's dominance been a fixture. During the previous five years, the conference finished second in the CPI standings to ... the Big Ten.


Fall of the Big 10 and Big 12
All told, the Big Ten has gone 3-6 in BCS games over the past five seasons, and while Ohio State provided two of those three victories, its blowout defeats in the past two title games have fostered a wider perception of the league as slow and outdated.


Pac-10 earns respect
The Pac-10 has traditionally struggled to garner national respect, but according to our CPI data, no conference besides the SEC was stronger over the past five years.
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The Trojans' nonconference success has been representative of the Pac-10 as a whole, which annually plays a tougher nonconference slate than their counterparts and finished first in nonconference RPI during both five-year periods. Where the league made dramatic inroads was in the postseason, improving from third to first in BCS record and from sixth to third in other bowls.


Five years from now?
First thing's first: Just how long can the SEC maintain its current level of dominance? With its rock-star roster of head coaches and seemingly ever-flowing recruiting pipeline, the league shows no signs of slowing down anytime soon. Four league teams (Georgia, Florida, LSU and Auburn) sit among the top 11 of this year's preseason coaches poll.
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It seems inevitable that Big Ten will break out of its current rut sooner than later, with Michigan's hiring of renowned West Virginia coach Rich Rodriguez considered a crucial step in that direction. He figures to modernize a perennially talent-laden program that had underachieved in recent years. Others such as Wisconsin's Bret Bielema, Michigan State's Mark Dantonio and Minnesota's Tim Brewster are already putting imprints on their programs.

No conference, however, would seem to hold more potential than the ACC if for no other reason than the two sleeping giants hovering in its mist. The league is banking on second-year Miami coach Randy Shannon and Florida State head-coach-in-waiting Jimbo Fisher to return their respective programs -- which combined for seven national titles from 1983 to 2001 -- to the elite.
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and with those two posts, I'll pick up my shit-stirring-stick and retire for the evening. Much love, fellas. Let's get this season started :D
 

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Yeah, but you forget...with that public education, they can't get into other states so where else will the big lumox football players go?


Okay, low blowing pointless attack over the fact remains that the majority of kids in the state who want to play big time football (regardless of their skillset) grow up bleeding OSU colors - they've got the whole state wanting to play for them. Kids don't care about declining populations or big city gang wars or whatever else is declining in Columbus - they only plan to be there 2, 3, mehbeh 4 yrs before going pro. It's a bus stop with a big spotlight, they ain't going anywhere else.

Now, with MICH going spread, there is some 'ooh-la-la' from the North that might start drawing more talent from OH, and everyone knows the zooker is a great recruiter, so OSU might start losing out a bit on their recruits somewhere down the line (sorry buckeyes, ya know it's true, but bear with me)....but you also have to know I guy like Tressel will adapt and stay in control of the true in-state talent. He can keep selling the 'top conference team' and the 'NC regular who needs YOU, mr hs prospect, to make that next small step in winning those pesky BCS trophies'. He'll mix up his gameplans and schemes to be able to sell 'sexy' against MICH's spread - hell, he got Pryer who is a spread gem, think he's not already spinning his future plans in whatever way will entice top kids?

The only way OSU falters is if he quits, and the next guy lacks the integrity when trying to retain the winning ways. That's a looong ways off. If you think JoePa and St. Bobby are old, imagine how old Tressel will be before he ever steps down. You know HE isn't an NFL wannabe, he's home for good.



Back to the recruits for a second. Give me a solid reason they'd hesitate to go there that a) a kid that age would be aware of and b) would give a shit about. Seriously, I don't see one. Too deep in your position? Fucknuts ahead of you couldn't get it done, YOU can step in and earn the starting spot and BE the difference they need. Ugly uniforms? A weak schedule so you can look good? A chance to say you played for one of the most storied programs evah, even if that is 'living in the past'? A mascot that looks like a dingleberry? Bragging rights over Michigan? Avoid the wrath of every friend and family member you know because you signed with the hated <pick an enemy>? Actually, you could sign with ND and maybe not have everyone disown you when you go home....and you will be going home, none of the people born in OH move more than 10 miles from the family, it's just not done. I just can't see any reason a kid in OH wouldn't continue to want to go to OSU, except to get the fuck out of the snow and go to a warmer school ;)




PS - thanks for replying, I was worried I'd killed the conversation again <3 I'll shutup for another week or so and let everyone speak again. :)
 
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ah but TLB, if the population declines, it means the kids aren't in there, drinking the kool ade from the day they leave the womb and get put in ridiculous OSU colored booties and caps. They move to places like florida where the weather is better, along with the economy.

As for recruiting: I think that how well Rich does in Michigan, and who replaces JoePa will have some bearing on it. Personally, I wish Zouk would come back to UF. ;)
 
This article, while silly at times, confirms alot of what SEC fans have understood intuitively. I will highlight significant passages.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=ncf&id=3535885
espnU.com said:
King Football rules the South

NEW YORK -- The first college football game was played 139 years ago in New Jersey, between Rutgers and Princeton, and the sport was dominated by Northeastern schools such as Yale and Harvard in its infancy.

By the middle of the last century the South had risen in college football, and these days there's no question: If you want to win a national championship, it's best to play in places where sunscreen is more important than snow boots, and the grits are better than the bagels.

Why? Simple. Because that's where the best players are.

Since the Bowl Championship Series started crowning a national champion in 1998, Ohio State and Oklahoma are the only schools that play in cold weather to have won a championship. And it's important to point out that Oklahoma borders Texas, which has more high school football players than any other state.

"You could draw a horizontal line from Houston to Jacksonville and from Dallas to Atlanta, in between I-20 and I-10, and there would be as many football players in that area than any other area in the country," said Bobby Burton, the editor-in-chief of Rivals.com, who has covered recruiting for 15 years.

Part of this trend is about pure numbers. There are a lot of people living in the part of the country known as the Sun Belt, especially Florida with its population of a little more than 18 million. More people, more players.

But the numbers don't fully explain the imbalance.

The weather plays a big part, no brutal cold and snow to keep kids from getting outside and playing ball. When it comes time to pick a college, it's not easy to convince a teenager who's never owned a pair of gloves to sign up for three months of wearing long johns.

Also, the rules governing high school football in the South give players far more opportunities to hone their craft. For most top players in the South, football is a year-round sport.

Yet there's something deeper at work here, too.

"There's one simple answer," Burton said, "it's just a different social mentality (in the South)."

King football rules. It's an integral part of Southern culture -- and it's just not the same throughout much of the northern United States, especially the Northeast.

In the South, small towns pretty much shutdown on Friday nights when the high school kicks off as thousands pack their local stadiums.

Saturday morning it's time to pack up the car and head off to the college game, barbecue in tow. The kids who played the night before watch the teams they've been dreaming about becoming part of since they could tell the difference between a Vol and a Gator, an Aggie and a Longhorn.

Then on Sunday, they'll flip on the NFL games, often just to root on their local hometown heroes. Hattiesburg, Miss., has lots of Green Bay Packers fans -- many of whom just became New York Jets fans -- thanks to former Southern Miss quarterback Brett Favre.

"In most of the rest of the world, college football is a game and they love it. In the South, it's not a game, it's a way of life," said Tony Barnhart, longtime Atlanta Journal-Constitution sports writer and author of "Southern Fried Football."

"It's built into the DNA like no other place in the world."

Sure, there are places up North where the residents follow the same routine -- Massillon, Ohio, comes to mind. But longtime recruiting analyst Tom Lemming of the CBS College Sports Network has been to far more games in the Northeast and Midwest where "you're lucky to find 20 people in the stands."

The results of all that Southern football madness are easy to spot in the list of Rivals' top 100 prospects.

From the recruiting class of 2008, this season's incoming freshmen, 42 of Rivals' top 100 were from the 11 states below the Mason-Dixon line, starting with Virginia in the east and sweeping west to Arkansas. Another 15 were from Texas. California, the most populous state in the country, had 13.

The other 37 states produced 30.

New York state has more people than Florida, but the Sunshine State produces enough top-tier talent to be the backbone of three teams (Florida, Florida State and Miami) that have won a total of eight national titles since 1980, while still leaving plenty of players to bolster rosters all over the country.

On the other hand, not one of Rivals' top 100 in 2008 was from New York state. There was one on the 2007 list -- quarterback Mike Paulus from Syracuse, who went to North Carolina.

New York City is the biggest culprit. All those Big East and Big Ten teams are getting no help from the Big Apple.

"The biggest city in the country is not producing football players," Lemming said.

With its population headed toward 9 million, New York City has had one player break into the Rivals annual 100 since 2003 -- Maurice Evans, a defensive lineman from Queens who is now playing for Penn State.

"New York and Philadelphia, the two largest cities on the East Coast have been perennial basketball hotbeds," Burton said.

Football just isn't a priority in New York.

The city's Public School Athletic League, has 217 member schools. Only 49 play football, according to the organization. Most of the games are played on Saturday and Sunday afternoons. So much for Friday night lights.

The difference between the importance of football in the Deep South and the Northeast can be found in other places, too.

Massachusetts, a state of 6.4 million, had 325 high schools and 22,169 students playing football, according to the National Federation of State High School Associations' 2006-07 stats.

By comparison, Alabama, with a population of about 4.6 million, had 374 high schools playing football and 21,590 players, according to NFSHSA stats.

Pittsburgh coach Dave Wannstedt and i coach Greg Schiano, who both worked at the University of Miami before becoming head coaches in their home states, said weather and repetition make for better-developed players coming from the South.

"The weather gives them a chance to be practicing, be involved with football pretty much year round," Wannstedt said. "I think that helps. You don't see the basketball, and some of those things, hockey, as prevalent down South as you do in the Northeast."

The mild climate also helps keep much of that Southern talent close to home.

South Florida linebacker Brouce Mompremier played high school ball in Miami. He wasn't on the Hurricanes' radar, but Kansas recruited him hard.

"How am I going to survive there? I've never seen snow. I've never experienced a cold, cold weather," he said. "It was like, 'Kansas, South Florida. Kansas, South Florida.' South Florida's up and coming. I was like, 'I'm staying here.' That was a no-brainer."

With schools such as South Florida, Central Florida, Florida Atlantic and Florida International in the Sunshine State and UAB and Troy in Alabama joining major college football, players such as Mompremier, who 15 years ago would've been forced to migrate North to find a scholarship, can remain parka-free and play big-time football.

"A lot of Florida guys don't want to go up North with all that cold weather," said Mompremier's teammate Ben Williams, a running back from Lake Wales, just outside of Lakeland in central Florida. "With all the schools being down here now, I think it does make it harder for those out of state schools to come down here and pull guys out."

Even more important than the weather, Schiano and Wannstedt said, is spring football practice, which is a given throughout the South and Texas and hardly exists in the North.

"You look at a high school kid in Florida, for instance, they get 20 spring practices," Schiano said. "That's 60 practices that a young man would have in his high school career that a young man up here doesn't have."

Add to that, Schiano said, the benefit of simply staying in football mode throughout the offseason.

"Knowing that that's going to happen (spring practice), what does that do to the guys getting ready for it in the spring opposed to getting ready for it only in August?" he said.

On top of all that, 7-on-7 summer football camps and tournaments -- featuring only skill position players and no pads or tackling -- have become all the rage throughout the Deep South and Texas. Burton said 7-on-7 is catching on in Pennsylvania, Ohio (the two most fertile northern states for top high school football players) and Illinois, but it doesn't exist in many northern states.

So, hosting a few 7-on-7 camps over the summer wouldn't hurt all those Big Ten and Big East schools up North.

Neither would opening a satellite campus on the shores of Lake Okeechobee.
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I don't care what anyone says, just the feeling and the spirit of college football in the SEC is palpable. It's actually euphoric (right there under opiods, lol). The rivalries, the history, that's something to behold. I'm so glad and very blessed to be an alum of a great university of the south. The first chartered state university, UGA 1785. How can you beat a conference as strong as the SEC? You have Georgia, Florida, Auburn, Tennessee, LSU, Bama...how fuckin' good is that?
--Go DAWGS!, Sic'em! Woof, Woof Woof! Preseason #1
--Class of '99
--John McCain 08
 
spare me the "South will rise again" bullshit. hicks love to play football. that's why wherever there are more hicks, there are more football players and therefore better football colleges. I am not knocking down state high school football powerhouses such as Texas, Florida, California, and Ohio, but those aforementioned states have a lot of hicks. country bumpkins play damn good football.

and that's the most simple bottom line, ever.
 
you really disappoint me, Jim. Ohio is supposed to be the cradle of the best program in the county (see numerous posts you've made), but the second the worm turns, you bad-mouth the entire sport?


I never liked crash midnight.:p
 
7/12 ESPN analysts have the Sooners in the NC. 4/7 SI analysts have the Sooners in the NC. For all that means huh? Let the games begin.

BOOMER SOONER!!!!
 
Right now I'm watching the South Carolina and NCST game. Cackalacky looks abysmal on offense but seems good on D. Too bad the ref didn't call the two late hits on the QB. But now the QB is in the hospital with a bad concussion. Down with SCU and Ga Tech. Tech's doing well against Jax State, even with Perilloux, 27-7. God, I'm sooooo glad it's time for college football. Like I said, CF and Opiates are my favorite things in life.
GO DAWGS!! Sic em! Woof! can't wait till we KILL Georgia Southern
John McCain '08
 
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