Nbome with the least body load?

[Salute my shorts]

Out of all the Nbomes available at the moment which would you guys say has the least body load in terms of increased heart rate and blood pressure, and on the mental side the least likely to cause anxiety? Reading through a lot of trip reports it seems to be a mixed bag of just plain fun goofy light hearted trips and sometimes take deeper turn and "oh fuck where are my benzos?" type experiences, just curious on peoples input.

 

[Anon0631]

I would say that all of them are light on body load with the exception of stimulation. The most stimulating ones are 25d and 25i. The least stimulating is 25c. 25b and 25n fall somewhere in the middle.

I haven't tried 25e, 25p, 25t/t2/t7 and 25g yet so I can't comment on those.

 

[infantannihilator]

Can someone define bodyload for me?

Like, feeling heavy and grounded, nausea, what? 25i this friday was very stimulating to the point that I feel the 'bodyload' was hard to work with, I coudlnt sit still and was constantly tensing my muscles

 

[zombywoof]

To me its like you want to stretch all the time and needing to take deep breaths and just feeling uncomfortable. Only tried 25i 25b and 25c of the nbome series and i found 25c the one with the least of this but that may only be me. 25i twice at 650ug not too bad then weeks later at 1.3mg and it was wild. 25b at1.25mg that was the worst and 25c three times at 500ug and this one to me was the easiest on my body.

 

[Anon0631]

It can be many different things but I would say its when some sort of physical awareness stops you being able to totally concentrate on the experience. For me with DOM it's coughing, with 2c-e it's itching and with many compounds its gastric discomfort/needing to shit and the confusion of having to wipe your arse adequately when you're totally tripping.

 

[Deinonychus]

The NBOMe series isn't known for strong body load. Is there some reason you're concerned about this aspect of the trip? I ask because if for example you've had a negative experience with psychedelics before that relates in some way to body load then it may be the case that you would have to confront that fear while tripping in order to prevent the anxiety about this aspect of psychedelics producing psychosomatic feelings of tension in the body independently of the level of body load inherant in the drug. That's just a hypothetical example, but does a reasonable job I think of explaining why past experience may be relevant to this topic.

If you haven't had an experience like that in the past and you're just being safe by researching various aspects of the NBOMe series before taking any, then firstly I commend you for doing it right, and secondly I would say generally to not be concerned about body issues with these compounds. They're pretty benign physically (and mentally in my experience) when dosed at safe levels. As some have reported in this thread, these drugs may be somewhat stimulating. I think this (as does pretty much everything about a psychedelic experience) really depends on the individual that is tripping though, as I have never noticed any particularly obvious stimulation, and I am pretty sensitive to stimulation thanks to having been addicted to coke a long time ago in a major way.

In comparison to ordinary PEAs though, and especially in comparison to tryptamines, which are known for producing a fair bit of 'vegetative effects' as well as psychosomatic body load, the NBOMes are pretty mild stuff.

 

[funeralopolis93]

25i gives me an incredibly distracting body load, I had much less when I took 25c

 

[titan7]

Op are you thinking of Vascoconstriction not bodyload? I've tried 25i,25c,25b and will be trying 25g very very soon. Never had bodyload from the nbome's alone only definite vascoconstriction, the most notable feeling from the vascoconstriction was after sitting for 20+min when I stand up the insides of my upper leg/thigh area feels extremely sore as if I had been squatting a lot the day before. You need to take some sort of supplements to thin blood to help prevent that from happening. I avoid taking ibuprofen/any chemicals for that, taking large amounts of calcium, magnesium help there are other remedies as well I don't recall googling natural blood thinners will do the trick, drinking lots of water is a must as well, it helps keep the blood thin and running.

 

[Salute my shorts]

The NBOMe series isn't known for strong body load. Is there some reason you're concerned about this aspect of the trip? I ask because if for example you've had a negative experience with psychedelics before that relates in some way to body load then it may be the case that you would have to confront that fear while tripping in order to prevent the anxiety about this aspect of psychedelics producing psychosomatic feelings of tension in the body independently of the level of body load inherant in the drug. That's just a hypothetical example, but does a reasonable job I think of explaining why past experience may be relevant to this topic.

If you haven't had an experience like that in the past and you're just being safe by researching various aspects of the NBOMe series before taking any, then firstly I commend you for doing it right, and secondly I would say generally to not be concerned about body issues with these compounds. They're pretty benign physically (and mentally in my experience) when dosed at safe levels. As some have reported in this thread, these drugs may be somewhat stimulating. I think this (as does pretty much everything about a psychedelic experience) really depends on the individual that is tripping though, as I have never noticed any particularly obvious stimulation, and I am pretty sensitive to stimulation thanks to having been addicted to coke a long time ago in a major way.

In comparison to ordinary PEAs though, and especially in comparison to tryptamines, which are known for producing a fair bit of 'vegetative effects' as well as psychosomatic body load, the NBOMes are pretty mild stuff.

I guess as the poster above me said I'm more concerned with the vasoconstriction and over stimulation as apposed to body load. I too can be pretty sensitive to anything stimulating, and too had a, I hate to use the word addiction to coke even though anyone with eyes could see that it was, but because it never effected my life negatively, quite the opposite but I liken it to when you're a kid and you eat pb&j everyday for years and years then all the sudden you take a bite into one and your mouth quivers a bit and are just put off by it, that's kind of what happened with coke, and since then I've been pretty sensitive to most stimulating things, but anyway...

The main reason I'm curious about which is the least stimulating nbome is because I've yet to try any of them, and a little over a year ago I had a pretty terrible 2c-e trip, which I had done plenty of times before but this time was different, 2 days prior I had taken 18mgs orally and had a terrific time, so kind of foolishly 2 days later I decided hey lets try and replicate that so I took 22mgs orally and for the first 3 hours it was nothing special kind of "meh" then the rest of the trip turned south for the next 5-6 hours was just hellish my heart rate skyrocketed to the point I couldn't tell what it was at, pounding in my thighs and forearms, buckets of sweat and just overall hellish feeling, and that night stands out from all my adventures as the most fearful of what could possibly happen. So ever since then other than a 2c-c trip around October which was fun but nothing to write home about I've stayed away from phens (I'm also much more of a tryptamine and dissociative guy) until 2 weeks ago I took 16mgs of 2c-t-4 IN which was simply amazing in its own weirdly calm and beautiful way and had none of the classic negatives (nausea, stimulation ect) that phens can give so that trip has kind of re ignited my interest in phens.

But thanks for the input guy, sounds like I'll probably test the waters with 25c first.

 

[infantannihilator]

Well, based on some definitions of bodyload (it seems this one can be about as ambiguous as the term euphoria) things like the vasoconstriction and stimulation would be factors as well. I mean, if they get bad enough they cause you to shift attention towards your body. Using this definition I personally found 25i at 800ug to be pretty heavy on me.

The first hour or so as I came up I had muscle spasms, at one point I felt like every single muscle fiber in my body was spasming. It seemed to come up in waves for me, which I can liken to the rush of mdma flooding your system whereby you find yourself having to breath deep and heavy. At no point during the come up was I able to just lay back and relax and let it take hold of me, I tried, but couldn't. Vasoconstriction became greater at 800vs 400 but was never much of a problem, at one point I felt quite cold and put on a sweater, but then again my landlords keep the AC on like crazy and I typically find myself putting on a sweater regardless, so this wasnt terrible. Pangs of nausea came and went in waves every couple of minutes as well, though never really that bad. Towards the peak all these effects levelled off and I was able to enjoy the experience without much load. Towards the end of the trip t+6 an odd neck and throat tension set in, I felt like my neck had swollen to some degree, found myself swallowing over and over and found it very hard to get comfortable in bed with this tension. Since then I've felt a lump in my throat, so I believe it not to entirely be the drug, just the drug amplifying the 'frog in the throat' type feeling.

I quite enjoyed the trip, but I'll be looking into ways to try and mitigate these effects as they were quite more pronounced at 800ug vs 400ug and I would like to increase my dosage to a full 1mg. The ROA was liquid insufflation so I have a feeling that is partially to blame, so I may try soaking a strip of paper towel for next time.

It seems like a lot of vendors are pulling 25i so I'd get some while you can to have on hand at least. I ordered 14mg and thought I may potentially have 28 trips on my hands, but now seeing ive got less than 13 at 1mg - and who knows where Ill bump my dose to - Im going to stock up on another 50mg or so, as I said I really enjoyed the trip, it was one of the best I have ever had. I do have limited experience with psychs so this may prove to not be true as time goes on, but its something I personally want to have on hand for the future.

 

['medicine cabinet']

yea have to agree with most the posts, 25c. i normally stay the hell away from psychs but i wanted to try this as it was freely offered to me and boy was it fun haha, im sure id really enjoy L if i ever find it.

 

[Deinonychus]

It seems like a lot of vendors are pulling 25i so I'd get some while you can to have on hand at least. I ordered 14mg and thought I may potentially have 28 trips on my hands, but now seeing ive got less than 13 at 1mg - and who knows where Ill bump my dose to - Im going to stock up on another 50mg or so, as I said I really enjoyed the trip, it was one of the best I have ever had. I do have limited experience with psychs so this may prove to not be true as time goes on, but its something I personally want to have on hand for the future.

Any idea why vendors might single out the iodo compound?

I get that the bans in the UK have rather badly messed up the markets for APBs, shame as I never did get to try the MAPB variants, but the APBs always struck me as being targeted towards mephedrone users in the UK as a legal substitute, what with ll that 'benzo-fury' marketing slop. The NBOMe series though seems equally popular here in the states, and if it was UK-ban related if ought to create a push towards taking all of the compounds off the market, not just 25I.

Any ideas then? I'm kinda mystified by that.

 

[kidklmx]

Because it's popping up in the media and is becoming more and more known. Vendors would rather keep a low-profile, I presume. A federal ban can't be too far off either

 

[infantannihilator]

Any idea why vendors might single out the iodo compound?

I get that the bans in the UK have rather badly messed up the markets for APBs, shame as I never did get to try the MAPB variants, but the APBs always struck me as being targeted towards mephedrone users in the UK as a legal substitute, what with ll that 'benzo-fury' marketing slop. The NBOMe series though seems equally popular here in the states, and if it was UK-ban related if ought to create a push towards taking all of the compounds off the market, not just 25I.

Any ideas then? I'm kinda mystified by that.

Because it's popping up in the media and is becoming more and more known. Vendors would rather keep a low-profile, I presume. A federal ban can't be too far off either

Yeah the fact that 25i is being passed off as acid and people are going and taking ten-strips and having a bad time, being hospitalized and in some isolated cases dying (certain there are many other factors at play, however the media doesn't care). It also does seem to me from all I have read that it is the one with the most negative sides by comparison, though its much more likely that its the media attention making waves.

Im certain that a few states already passed legislation banning 25x compounds, one vendor I know of wont ship to these: "Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, Virginia," which I assume is due to bans in those particular states.

 

[Deinonychus]

Meh, I guess. I've never seen a vendor voluntarily pull a product I guess. I admit I got out of the scene a few weeks, maybe a month after certain forums shut down for various semi-scary but possibly also overly-hyped (IMO) reasons. I don't think I have the faith in vendors to trust them to care about customers going nuts or selling things under false pretenses, or stopping selling for anything short of an outright ban. I did – very much past tense – vend myself, and I took the utmost care in ensuring customers weren't reckless fools, but not everyone was so scrupulous.

If things have changed in the months I've been 'out of the scene' and vendors suddenly became focused on wellbeing of customers instead of profits I will be thrilled, but my faith doesn't go that far where Homo sapiens is concerned. I expect if vendors are purposely moving it out then they will only do so when they have a possibly more profitable compound waiting in the wings. That's what I would have done if I was backed into a corner by legislation.