[NBOMe Subthread] Custom Blotters for Harm Reduction

[my3rdeye]

People need to stop using vendors that do not label their doses. And the guys selling Hoffman print nbome doses make me want to call the DEA. Vendors don't even sell gelcaps because its individual doses, how can blotters even be legal? I don't care what drugs other people do, I don't care what form it is in. What I do care about is mass production of fakes that could kill people. Examples of doing it right:

 

[Anon0631]

Everyone on this board seems to blow up and exaggerate the capillary and leaching effects on a laid sheet. That's not to say it doesn't happen at all, but the notion that youll have the blotters on the edge of your sheet 2-3x more potent then those at the middle - which with something super sketchy like NBOMe is likely to, no, probably going to, no, will lead to lead to death - just seems ridiculous to me.

I haven't even found a reliable source for this information. Just a semi plausible DEA description relating to discolouration of LSD samples over time and a bunch of endless repetition on web forums.

How many are you laying at a time? I assume not a standard 900 blot sheet since you're making them yourself. I had wondered if regular old printer ink would be good enough, and/or if the solvents we dip the sheets into may be enough to cause the inks to run.

Something like 50 at a time. I've found that 50x 6mmx6mm squares of the blotter paper I use soaks exactly 1ml of water. This makes dosing easy.

I used a desktop laser printer. A photocopier would also work just fine. Everybody has access to those right?

People need to stop using vendors that do not label their doses. And the guys selling Hoffman print nbome doses make me want to call the DEA. Vendors don't even sell gelcaps because its individual doses, how can blotters even be legal? I don't care what drugs other people do, I don't care what form it is in. What I do care about is mass production of fakes that could kill people.

This is the real issue surely. Laying on blotter isn't a problem. Making it easy for people down the line to pass off your product as something else is. I call for all people who lay blotter, whatever substance they are laying, to label it correctly. Yes. Even LSD.

Mods: once you've come to your senses and removed censorship from the laying blotter thread, maybe this can be merged with it?

 

[zn13bt]

Everyone on this board seems to blow up and exaggerate the capillary and leaching effects on a laid sheet. That's not to say it doesn't happen at all, but the notion that youll have the blotters on the edge of your sheet 2-3x more potent then those at the middle - which with something super sketchy like NBOMe is likely to, no, probably going to, no, will lead to lead to death - just seems ridiculous to me.

I've never tried to lay a sheet of blotter myself, because all of the previous discussion about the fine details of it has scared me off from even trying. I'm still skeptical that it's as easy as you and Anon0631 are saying it is. But I will quit repeating (mis?)information about blotter laying that I haven't personally verified. And if we are going to allow such topics here, I would also like to see some discussion of how to quantify how much the doses vary from the center to the edges of the sheet. Taking 2-3x of your intended dose of an NBOMe probably won't kill you, but it could hurt you pretty badly or even put you in the hospital.

 

[Livinginthealps]

Everyone on this board seems to blow up and exaggerate the capillary and leaching effects on a laid sheet. That's not to say it doesn't happen at all, but the notion that youll have the blotters on the edge of your sheet 2-3x more potent then those at the middle - which with something super sketchy like NBOMe is likely to, no, probably going to, no, will lead to lead to death - just seems ridiculous to me.

How many are you laying at a time? I assume not a standard 900 blot sheet since you're making them yourself. I had wondered if regular old printer ink would be good enough, and/or if the solvents we dip the sheets into may be enough to cause the inks to run.

I agree people over exaggerate the leaching during the laying process. If laid somewhat properly it won't be a problem and the sheet more or less be even. BUT, there is a very very important factor to this. What thickness (#) paper is being used. If you use the wrong paper then yes, you will most likely encounter uneven blotter.
Printer ink is fine but, I have seen art printed via regular printer ink and it came off and made a big gross mess while laying it. Certain brand paper and ink work better than others. Though, this isn;t art being printed, rather a few words. I'm glad your responsible enough to do this ANON, regardless of you not selling it. Sadly, you are in a pretty rare few.

 

[Yaj]

good for blotters but nbomes are sold in liquid just as much as blotter, I had a friend who was selling lots of "liquid lsd" for like a year and lots of people were buying it, I never tried it cause I had heard about where it was coming from and was skeptical. Saw the friend for the first time in a long time and we were talking and he was telling me all that liquid was nbomes but most people couldn't tell/didn't know any better...

 

[zn13bt]

^ That's pretty silly, since LSD is orally active and NBOMes aren't...

 

[Anon0631]

Laser printer/photocopier toner is a polymer not an ink. It doesn't dissolve in water so it won't smudge. I have had it go somewhat fuzzy when laying alprazolam dissolved in DCM (that what I had at hand) but it still wasn't a huge problem.

As for paper thickness, I use blotting paper, not watercolour paper (which is usually sized). I get the heaviest weight available to me which is I believe 140gsm. No idea what it would be in teaspoons per square yard or whatever bizarre measurement Americans use for paper

 

[Solipsis]

I've merged two threads to create a new one here because we want to encourage people that do share their NBOMe compounds with others to do it in a way that makes the identity of the substance clear. This would be similar to dying GHB blue as a sort of deterrent. We want to deter people from taking an unidentified drug or unknown dose.

What realistic ways do you know that people can use?

 

[Livinginthealps]

Laser printer/photocopier toner is a polymer not an ink. It doesn't dissolve in water so it won't smudge. I have had it go somewhat fuzzy when laying alprazolam dissolved in DCM (that what I had at hand) but it still wasn't a huge problem.

As for paper thickness, I use blotting paper, not watercolour paper (which is usually sized). I get the heaviest weight available to me which is I believe 140gsm. No idea what it would be in teaspoons per square yard or whatever bizarre measurement Americans use for paper

I wouldn't still count on a design holding up/ Like full art, colors and all. #14 (140 weight) watercolor is the paper we use here.
Even full art paper from respectable artist have a tendency to run and I know they aren't using regular ink. I have laid a pack only to have the grosses color swirl ever lol

But, ANON I really respect you for be responsible.

 

[Anon0631]

I've merged two threads to create a new one here because we want to encourage people that do share their NBOMe compounds with others to do it in a way that makes the identity of the substance clear. This would be similar to dying GHB blue as a sort of deterrent. We want to deter people from taking an unidentified drug or unknown dose.

What realistic ways do you know that people can use?

Yay Solipsis!

Would it help if I were to open-source my blotter artwork? Then it could be taken to a copy shop and laser printed onto blotter paper: https://www.dropbox.com/s/oohd4hb5wku2gla/blotters.pdf

For those in the UK, this paper is acid free and soaks 1ml solution per 50 (6x6mm) dose units: 10 A4 Fords Gold Medal Blotting Paper white 140 gsm for Calligraphy

I wouldn't still count on a design holding up/ Like full art, colors and all.

Even full art paper from respectable artist have a tendency to run and I know they aren't using regular ink. I have laid a pack only to have the grosses color swirl ever lol

Which bit of "laser printer toner isn't ink" did you not understand?