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NBOMe (25i, 25c, 25b) are now schedule 1; Discussion and Speculation.

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So as of November 12th the DEA has used their emergency scheduling powers to (most likely permanently) place the drugs 25i-NBOMe, 25c-NBOMe, and 25b-NBOMe under schedule 1. This is just the most recent example where the DEA continues its never ending game of chemical whack-a-mole. Now I know legal discussion is not allowed on bluelight, but id like to first off note this thread is not meant for that and instead id like to open this up to speculation as to what the future of NBOMe drugs as a whole.

To start this off, 2 main points that struck me were as following;

Without naming direct prices, its common knowledge here on bluelight that pretty much all NBOMe drugs are incredibly cheap. However with this new scheduling, I cant help but wonder if this trend will continue, specifically for 25i, 25c and 25b-NBOMe. Im no expert on where all of the US's NBOMe is coming from but it seems likely that being illegal will limit supply and in turn price will rise.
Or, in contrast, is there enough demand for NBOMe to actually make this happen?

Also, what does this mean for all the other, less common NBOMes?
It seems a high likelihood that 25d-NBOMe, 25N-Nbome, 25g-NBOMe, mescaline-nbome etc. are going to become much more popular due to their grey-area legality.

What do you all think? Feel free to post here with any speculation of this descion the DEA made in regards to anything; ethics, efficacy, effects, and anything you think the future may hold for these drugs as well as why you think that.

Im excited to see what you all have to say and im gunna miss holding these tabs in mouth snickering to myself about how theyre legal :p
 
NBOMe's have seen their peak IMO. We'll start seeing other classes come out. It is getting down to the wire with psychedelics though. I wonder if we are going to start seeing new classes of compounds altogether... It would be interesting to see some psychedelics not based on tryptamine or phenethylamine skeletons for sure but I'm not aware of a whole lot of research into this area. It seems like most psychedelics are modeled after known models ala amino acids.

The problem with NBOMe's is that they're unpredictable, they build a lot of tolerance, they are extremely potent when dosed properly, and the most well-known synthesis route requires the parent molecule in order to make them thus making them illegal to manufacture in many places.

Who knows what the Chinese will come up with. *shrugs*
 
I think there is a small group of people that order these chems as a curiosity to try and study, the new scheduling will probably make them less or non-desirable.

Then there is the people selling the stuff on blotters who will probably not be discouraged that much. They are already running around dealing drugs.

I would bet the DEA starts watch and laying traps for customers ordering these newly scheduled chems. I would be worried about even ordering anything from a vendor with these listed. Surveillance probably mostly sees money trails, shipping trails and communicating foot prints so they probably have no clue who is buying unscheduled or scheduled. Gram of XYZ or gram of 25c-NBOMe ? Same digital footprint.
 
Interesting; what about the NBOH's? Now that NBOMe's are schedule 1 doesn't that mean that the analogue laws can be much more easily applied to the NBOH family of drugs?
 
It already could have applied to the analog law as 2C,B 2C-C, 2C-I is banned. That won't stop vendors from replacing NBOMes with NBOH, NBF, NBMD, etc. Beta-ketone addition may or may not work after those have been exhausted.

There's already so much NBOMe in America that it will take quite a while for this law to even come near taking the particular series off the streets, even if illicit, particularly in the disguise of LSD.
 
probably not a good thing having such potent psychedelics so cheap. ok don't have to ban it, but don't make it accessible to every 15yr old... 2$ a tab or less, man and when its that potent newbies don't understand just HOW potent it can be, and overdose is real with this one.

its not like taking another hit of lsd, and we know even thats not always good.

perfect example. my first acid trip i took 1 hit. it happed to be a 200 mic euro and within an hour i got sucked into a vortex and went unconsious
i woke with zero memory, full ego death. i could barely see, brain was running on minimal function
over the next hour, layer by layer some consciousness was regained, some knowledge of who i am, what i am
took 4hrs before i could see well enough to read.
8hrs and still was like 4hrs. a full 12 before even considering coming back to normal.
not until you have an experience like that on such a small amount of substance do you start to fully understand how god damn dangerous in the wrong hands they can be!
 
Gotta be honest cityturbo, that doesnt sound like LSD to me....I mean ya 200ug is decent dose, but Ive explored doses up to 420ug and never had anything as intense as what you describe, and I've never heard of someone passing out from LSD; just the normal stories of people going manic and such. Regardless though you make a good point and the recklessness with these drugs is the main reason we have seen as many fatalities as we have. I personally think that NBOMe's, while fun and interesting if experiemented with appropriately, they are kind of a health hazard especially with how easily they can be passed off as LSD. And with Acid there's always that one kid who thinks he can eat a ten-strip, which with LSD maybe he could, but if he mistakenly does that with 1000ug doses NBOMe tabs, hes almost guaranteed to die. Again another example of "guns dont kill people; people kill people." only here its "Ultra-potent reasearch chemicals don't kill people, reckless dosing and lack of understanding kills people".
 
The active N-benzyl derivatives of phenethylamine psychedelics are some of the only compounds I would seriously consider to be highly controlled just for the fact of how many people have died form 25i-nbome and the fact it has a ceiling effect. You can only go so far with it.
 
Scheduling drugs just leads to even more dangerous compounds. That's been trend and it will likely continue. As soon as anything gets scheduled chemists start looking for something else that's active and marketable. Saftey continues to pushed farther back for the sake of novelty and profit.
I don't view cocaine, heroin, or meth in a very positive light and have only seen those substances destroy people. However, I don't feel any of those or any other drug should be illegal. Regardless of of any law that's ever existed people have continued to take whatever drugs they choose. Prohibition has never stopped people from taking drugs it just drops down purity, drives up the price and makes drug dealers rich.
 
Ballz_Trippington said:
Scheduling drugs just leads to even more dangerous compounds. That's been trend and it will likely continue. As soon as anything gets scheduled chemists start looking for something else that's active and marketable. Saftey continues to pushed farther back for the sake of novelty and profit.
I don't view cocaine, heroin, or meth in a very positive light and have only seen those substances destroy people. However, I don't feel any of those or any other drug should be illegal. Regardless of of any law that's ever existed people have continued to take whatever drugs they choose. Prohibition has never stopped people from taking drugs it just drops down purity, drives up the price and makes drug dealers rich.
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I don't believe by making a research chemical ithat is very dangerous controlled and legalizing another compound that is a safe alternative will lead to more dangerous compounds ti will probably lead to more people taking the safer alternative.
 
Lysergamided said:
I don't believe by making a research chemical ithat is very dangerous controlled and legalizing another compound that is a safe alternative will lead to more dangerous compounds ti will probably lead to more people taking the safer alternative.
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And where are these "safer" alternatives to anything that you speak of? What has been the safer alternative to LSD or shrooms?
There literally isn't anything safer and won't be. What has been the safer alternative to MDMA? Methylone??? What do you think the "safer" alternative will be to the NBOMe series? The NBOH series? Show me where safety has trumped novelty and profit. To a very large degree, we have only seen the NBOMe series because the safer "classic psychedelics" have been scheduled not the other way around.
 
As long as this doesn't lead to creating an even more dangerous wave of psychedelics I'm completely okay with this
NBOMe's should never have been created
 
You know what's going to happen Toast.
I don't think NBOHs are quite as dangerous as NBOMe but NBF and NBMD probably a similar risk and considerable drop in potency. That said by my own estimate no greater than 0.2% of NBOMe users have died as a result.
 
What happens next probably depends on how many incidents will follow with other similar compounds, how the media the public and subsequently politics are affected by those incidents. I think the system is a bit dumb and simple-minded because it is based on causal reactions, though there are multiple factors in play including those driven by people who technically don't know shit about the subject.
 
ebola? said:
Why did the DEA select solely these 3 compounds to schedule? Pretty dramatic oversight on their part.

ebola
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Probably only because those three are the most popular in the USA. If the DEA even believed that scheduling drugs stopped people from taking them then they would banned all the NBOMe's. It's not in the DEA's best interest for people to stop taking drugs. If that were to happen they would become irrelevant over night. All they want to do is punish people for taking drugs. The government (any) uses drug laws to control its population. Prohibition has never worked ever even once through out history. Every government knows this. Christ, I'm not even a conspiracy theorist but it's very difficult to see it for anything else. Drug laws have zero to do with keeping the public safe.
Also, it's pretty funny seeing the utter hypocrisy of some of the comments on this thread. I just do not understand the logic behind - " well I don't think that's stuff is to my taste or even safe so NO ONE should have access to them". (Paraphrasing here)
If everyone had that attitude there would not be a psychoactive substance that anyone could ever take again. There's LOTS of drugs that I think are bad news. But I ain't everyone else on the planet.
 
Okay. What disadvantage would have been posed to the DEA by extending that list to include a few more analogues? Wouldn't that allow them to punish more people too? And how could they have been ignorant enough to overlook the set of very similar compounds (a quick look at wikipedia suffices)?

Maybe they are actually hoping to apply the CSA Act more generally and are leaving space available for such legal precedent to be set. . .

ebola
 
ebola? said:
Okay. What disadvantage would have been posed to the DEA by extending that list to include a few more analogues? Wouldn't that allow them to punish more people too? And how could they have been ignorant enough to overlook the set of very similar compounds (a quick look at wikipedia suffices)?

Maybe they are actually hoping to apply the CSA Act more generally and are leaving space available for such legal precedent to be set. . .

ebola
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That's certainly possible, but I really think they only schedule anything once there is 1 or 2 media reports of a problem with any substance and that's all part of how their propaganda machine works. Literally, one news report on CNN can lead to DEA banning something because it's a major health threat because 1 guy died.
0.2 % fatality rate estimation for the NBOMe series??? Even if we guesstimated that up 5 times to 1% that's actually a very very good safety profile for most drugs. He'll, I wish alcohol had a safety profile like that.
We really don't even know if most of the deaths related the NBOMe series is even the result of overdose or possibly because of an interaction with something else taken (possibly not even recreationally but something innocent as a over the counter med).
If they wanted to they could make every mind altering substance illegal and pick and copse who to take down. Scheduling drugs in small batches keeps people moving on to these new novel compounds. I believe it's all part of the DEA plan to KEEP people taking drugs.
 
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