Naturally high tolerance - Should i take more?

ProfessorMonkey

ProfessorMonkey

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I have a naturally high tolerance to every drug i've come across and find that i need about 2x what the average person needs to get the same effects. I'm planning my first cycle and will possibly be using Turinabol or Anavar as an oral stacked with test prop. I was wondering whether I should take a higher dosage of the orals and Nolvadex after the cycle to account for my high tolerance. I'm not too concerned about not gaining as much on cycle, more about not restoring proper function after if i don't take enough Nolva.
I'm not sure how I would respond to a normal dose of injected test compared to the average person as i've never injected before, so i won't increase that as i don't know how i will be affected.

Thanks
 
Tolerance to other drugs has nothing to do with tolerance to test. You CAN'T build tolerance to AAS. And if you're not afraid of needles, why use orals ? You'll be just damaging your liver for no good reason.
 
I'm not talking about tolerance that i've built up, i'm talking about my standard level of tolerance to things. I'm assuming my body doesn't absorb as much of a given drug or breaks it down more than the average person (not really sure, just speculating) and that's why i don't get the same effects at standard doses. Even without orals, i still have to take PCT orally and thats the main purpose of this post - to see if a standard amount would be enough. I've read that Turinabol isn't as liver toxic as most of the orals though and wouldn't be so much of an issue with a short cycle.
 
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Steroids aren't “drugs”, they don't build tolerance and don't interfere with seretonin, dopamine + adrenaline levels in the same way that recreational drugs do. They are hormones, not recreational drugs. So no a normal dose will be fine
 
Well to be on the safe side, you could increase your PCT doses by a little bit. Or do PCT for a longer period of time. (For example add a week of 10mg/day tamoxifen)
 
If it was only drugs that had an effect on brain chemicals that i have an abnormal tolerance to then that would be fine, but i don't know why i have a high tolerance and whether steroids would be affected by the same thing that affects my tolerance to everything else. What would the upper limit for nolva be?
 
Assuming that your "naturally high tolerance" is caused by absorbtion issues, it is not tolerance-related anymore. I'd rather call it abnormal absorbtion.
If i'm right, you stated that you'll be doing a very short cycle. For cycles under 8 weeks, usually 4 weeks of nolva is enough (40mg for the first two then 20mg). You could do another week of 10mg or maybe 2 if you really think your body doesnt absorb stuff well. I recommend seeking a gastro-intestinal doctor for your issues. It may turn out that your digestive system is very normal. And that'll will save you money you'd have spent on extra nolva.
 
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I have no idea what may be causing it but as my only problem with this is having to take twice as many drugs as other people i'm not sure it's something i can really ask my doctor. I'll have a look at as many PCT cycles as i can and probably just follow a highish dose one to be on the safe side (as long as it's not too high).
 
You can do a blood test to check your hormones, then at the end of ur pct, do another one and if the levels are back to normal, stop pct. If they're lower than the first ones, continue pct.
 
nolys said:
Steroids aren't “drugs”, they don't build tolerance and don't interfere with seretonin, dopamine + adrenaline levels in the same way that recreational drugs do. They are hormones, not recreational drugs. So no a normal dose will be fine
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I've got studys somewhere that show out of whack E2 levels can effect serotonin ratios and cause depression....

Apparently the OP is considering doing a short cycle on a fast ester, whilst dosing twice the recommended dose for PCT, then taking 25i-NBOMe, 6-APB with some MDMA thrown in......

nolys, don't waste your time...............................
 
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ProfessorMonkey said:
If it was only drugs that had an effect on brain chemicals that i have an abnormal tolerance to then that would be fine, but i don't know why i have a high tolerance and whether steroids would be affected by the same thing that affects my tolerance to everything else. What would the upper limit for nolva be?
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Steroids are not narcotics so do not double or increase your doses. They don't function like recreational drugs so you will not have a tolerance. Only 350lb bodybuilders have a "tolerance" to steroids, and it really isn't a tolerance, it's just that they require more to grow because of the size they have become.

Follow my First Cycle Thread for proper dosages but DO NO NOT RAISE THEM. They are already on the high side. Dosing PCT compounds too high will result in an abnormal lipid profile and severe mood swings. Please use Clomid and Nolva for PCT. Nolva prevents gyno (male breast development) and Clomid restores function to the testes.
 
Genetic Freak said:
I've got studys somewhere that show out of whack E2 levels can effect serotonin ratios and cause depression....

Apparently the OP is considering doing a short cycle on a fast ester, whilst dosing twice the recommended dose for PCT, then taking 25i-NBOMe, 6-APB with some MDMA thrown in......

nolys, don't waste your time...............................
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If you've read my posts you'll see that i'm considering doing a NORMAL dose of PCT but on the high end of the scale due to it potentially not being as efficient as a result of my high tolerance. Why bother posting about a study you read that may confirm this if you're then going to slate me? I also never said i'm going to take all of those things, i was asking about the possibility of interactions with those drugs (of which i may take ONE during PCT if it was safe, if i was even going to at all). I don't know why people jump to conclusions so readily and then basically say don't bother giving this guy any advice, he's a fucking twat.
 
-Guido- said:
Steroids are not narcotics so do not double or increase your doses. They don't function like recreational drugs so you will not have a tolerance. Only 350lb bodybuilders have a "tolerance" to steroids, and it really isn't a tolerance, it's just that they require more to grow because of the size they have become.

Follow my First Cycle Thread for proper dosages but DO NO NOT RAISE THEM. They are already on the high side. Dosing PCT compounds too high will result in an abnormal lipid profile and severe mood swings. Please use Clomid and Nolva for PCT. Nolva prevents gyno (male breast development) and Clomid restores function to the testes.
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Thanks Guido, i'll do that. I'm a little wary about Clomid though due to various things i read in this article about it: http://www.silownia.net/steroids/a/12154, mostly the possibility of it permanently affecting eyesight (in long term use but still)
 
Genetic Freak said:
I've got studys somewhere that show out of whack E2 levels can effect serotonin ratios and cause depression....

Apparently the OP is considering doing a short cycle on a fast ester, whilst dosing twice the recommended dose for PCT, then taking 25i-NBOMe, 6-APB with some MDMA thrown in......

nolys, don't waste your time...............................
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Well I meant a direct interferance with serotonin like a recreational drug such as mdma would cause. Test and other hormones won't directly cause your serotonin levels to dramatically change as soon as you use them I should have been more clear on that point I suppose lol.

To be fair he seems to be actually asking for advice and listening to an extent. I disagree with his choice of using all them drugs during the cycle and especially pct but if he's going to go ahead with it we might as well make it as safe as possible for him. We can already tell that the game is not for him and that he's not going to keep any gains in the long run but short term we should help keep his hormones in check
 
Thanks Nolys. Just to clarify, i'm an infrequent rec drug user, was never going to take any recs during cycle, and was only considering it during PCT if a rare opportunity came up that I would be crazy to miss out on. For standard "fun" experiences that I can do any time, there is no doubt that I could wait until after a cycle and PCT is over. After taking everyones advice under consideration i'll plan my cycles at times when I know nothing exciting will be going on and I can follow through with PCT completely clean. If something does come up during this time i will pass on it because my health is most important (as was the point of posting).

I'm glad you and a couple of the other helpful BL'ers have posted because some people may be put off from trying (i was at first because i half expected some of the responses i got, but no point not asking when you need to know) when they have questions due to the hostile nature of some peoples responses, which may lead them to taking unneccesary risks. Please try to remember people - this forum is supposed to be about keeping people safe and even if they are asking questions that you may deem stupid, it is only because they don't know what you may. You were once just as uneducated about everything you know now.
 
^^^yay. good choice man. top be honest, lifting and getting recognition from others whether its female admiration or male jealousy is a better high than any drug because its yours. its organic and comes from you being you, not some drug that momentarily causes a high. plus when you make progress pics, and look back, fantastic feeling. its like putting work in on a car. you can go rent a nice car and show it off for a bit. but when you build something from the ground up, its a better feeling because its your work. and on that note I've been "rent free" for almost 16 months and couldn't be happier man.
 
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hostile nature of some peoples responses, which may lead them to taking unneccesary risks. Please try to remember people - this forum is supposed to be about keeping people safe and even if they are asking questions that you may deem stupid, it is only because they don't know what you may. You were once just as uneducated about everything you know now.
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Take note guido, stop closing all the noob threads and at least try to help them first however stupid they may seem. This site is supposed to be about HR, not a social gathering of roid users lol. In saying that sometimes I get sucked in to it and forget that myself...
 
Serotonin101 said:
^^^yay. good choice man. top be honest, lifting and getting recognition from others whether its female admiration or male jealousy is a better high than any drug because its yours. its organic and comes from you being you, not some drug that momentarily causes a high. plus when you make progress pics, and look back, fantastic feeling. its like putting work in on a car. you can go rent a nice car and show it off for a bit. but when you build something from the ground up, its a better feeling because its your work. and on that note I've been "rent free" for almost 16 months and couldn't be happier man.
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I understand exactly what you are saying Serotonin and agree with most of it - I used to be one of those guys you would do double takes of because they were so skinny and whilst i'm not huge now, I am compared to what I was and have made decent gains despite the occasional recreational drug use. I'm currently deadlifting about 200kg for a 1 rep max which isn't massive I know, but that's with no gear and with my current lifestyle. We could get very philosophical here regarding drugs. Bodybuilding is organic and comes from you but without the brain, recreational drugs would have no effect - they only allow the brain to function in a slightly different way whilst they are present; everything that is happening is still coming from within you. Plus there are a lot of things that i believe can be gained from certain experiences. Did you know that Francis Crick (the guy who discovered DNA) came up with the idea when he was on LSD? Maybe there's nothing to that, but maybe there is... Either way, there can be a lot of incredibly transformative experiences to be gained from such things that don't involve your body, but your very being!
 
there was also the baseball pitcher who pitched a no hitter on LSD. most people cannot balance a life style of drugs and body building. eventually the drugs usually win and all the hard earned progress is lost. or worse, death. I was the lightest person in my high school in "the thousand pound club" and was considered very physically fit til drugs came along. focus went from looking good and feeling good to just feeling extraordinary and I dropped down to 115 pounds.

be easy on one Rep maxes as they can strain the body excessively. there's a thread in here to calculate 1rep maxes based off of 3-10 Rep set weights. I suggest doing that. I apologize if I came off as hostile but I see time and time again people coming through looking for a "quick fix" or magic pill bullshit. people who wanna shoot drugs and take steroids... or snort blow and take roids... etc. they don't realize the countless DAYS of researching information on dieting, workout routines, supplement combinations, different stacks, and then having the patience to WAIT to build their foundation before the juice. lots of young cats too trying to use aas way too early with the "I'm 16 can I do a dbol only cycle while drinking and partying with my friends" shit. it gets tiring. and its a very select few of us who actually "maintain" this forum if you will. I was more active before uni in here but I don't frequent bluelight as much anymore let alone have the time to donate to posting as the steroid forum requires a lot of attention when it comes to the few posters who are working their asses off as the hormone system and effects of aas are a lot more in depth than say doing recreational drugs.

I think this is the most I've posted in this forum in a while.
 
I completely agree about most people not being able to find balance but I like to think i'm more sensible than most - none of this going out every weekend and getting hammered and taking anything and everything. When I decide to do something, it's always planned and I stick to the plan. I can understand why you came across strong because you're right about what most people are after but i'm in it for the long run and like to educate myself about everything. I managed to get an unconditional offer to go to uni about 8 years ago based on the days (months, and years) of research on all aspects of bodybuilding. I don't consider myself an expert but I do what I can to keep gaining and balance all sides of my life.
Don't worry, I don't do 1RM tests very often and usually do use calculators. Sometimes it's just nice to do it so you know though!
Thanks for taking the time to reply guys, it's much appreciated!
 
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