natural opiate tolerance?

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

I read heaps on this website that Xanax potentiates Oxycontin is it only for Oxy & not Codeine? I know their both Opiates but different whats the word?

Benzodiazepines increase the effects of ALL opiates. There is a reason why people purposely combine the two for a greater high. Benzodiazepines are possibly very dangerous with opiates, they can cause CNS depression and possible OD's, it can be a fatal combination if you don't know your tolerance to both. Xanax is a common benzodiazepine abused with opiates, its also dangerous. People combine Xanax with Methadone to feel like their on the closest thing to heroin. If your going to combine the two then take a smaller than your usual dose of the opiate you are abusing.

Taking two CNS depressants will obviously increase the effects. The previous statement that they decrease the effects is WAY OFF.

 

[hydrochron]

I never liked xanax with opiates. Klonopin mix's alot better, and valiums not bad either. I just find that the xanax high feels to strongly with the opiate high, and they dont mesh well. Unless you take like only 1mg. I prefer to get properly slaughtered on about 4mg's of klon and my opiate of choice.

And like the gentlemen said above me, it's very dangerous. If your ever going to od and die, there's a chance will with potent opiates and benzodiazapines.

 

[Dunno]

Benzodiazepines increase the effects of ALL opiates. There is a reason why people purposely combine the two for a greater high. Benzodiazepines are possibly very dangerous with opiates, they can cause CNS depression and possible OD's, it can be a fatal combination if you don't know your tolerance to both. Xanax is a common benzodiazepine abused with opiates, its also dangerous. People combine Xanax with Methadone to feel like their on the closest thing to heroin. If your going to combine the two then take a smaller than your usual dose of the opiate you are abusing.

Taking two CNS depressants will obviously increase the effects. The previous statement that they decrease the effects is WAY OFF.

Thanks, thought so. Yeah i think ill just crush OC to make it IR

 

[CitioKid]

With no tolerance, 300mg of codeine would have made me vomit my ass off. That's ten t3's!

Perhaps he didn't do the cwe correctly. I say a good starting dose with codeine is 90 to 120mg.

 

[benzofan]

I would suggest trying a stronger opiate. Such as Hydrocodone/oxycodone.

If he wants to take only codeine what's the problem, no need to have a strong opiates for everyone. He has to find the good codeine dosage that's it

I bet it is 300mg

 

[benzofan]

benzodiazepines increase the effects of all opiates. .

absolutely not true (but many many person think that, it is wrong, -->you can even ask a doctor if possible

It is very complicated to explain interaction between benzo and opiates (with accurate chemicals precisions).

benzo + opiates (two depressant) could even have a psychoanaleptic effect (stimulating effects, very strange...)

We need to go in the advanced drug discussion for the interaction between benzo and opiates.

To sumarize : take a valium (or an other benzo) will never potentiate your codeine dose, it would be too cool !

 

[ch1nawhite]

i had tramadol for free, never got a buzz off it. listen if u want a decent opie buzz, just go get u some perks or vics

* for me there are potentiality effects felt with bars + roxis, but maybe not with ALL benzos/opiates, and just the right mix of the 2

Don't try oxy stay on codeine at first !!!! no need to advice to go with hard opiates

lol are you serious? oxycodone isnt a hard opiate. its a mild painkiller, that if abused, could have some 'hard opie' effects. maybe oxycontin? that still isnt that hard because its XR. for a benzo fan u dont seem to know much about them.

*take urself a perk 10, and throw the tramadal and codiene at a homeless guy. get at me when it kicks in... your welcome

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

absolutely not true, please someone (a specialist) could explain to him, he is in the wrong way, isn't he ?

Mixing two CNS depressants increase each others effects. That's why people do it. Benzodiazepines greatly enhance the "sedative" effects of opiates. I would have thought somebody with the name "benzofan" would know this.

 

[ch1nawhite]

^^ thank you... you pop a .5 a bar after takin a 30 roxi, ull be nice and noddin if u got a mild tolerance to opies. def potentiate each other

 

[benzofan]

"lol are you serious? oxycodone isnt a hard opiate. its a mild painkiller, that if abused, could have some 'hard opie' effects. maybe oxycontin? that still isnt that hard because its XR. for a benzo fan u dont seem to know much about them."


Of course Oxy is an hard opiates (and, dude, oxycotin = oxycodone you are really funny !)

Why do you talk about "that still isnt that hard because its XR" and say for a benzo fan u dont seem to know much about them ??

FYI : I Tried ALL benzo on the market but yes I know nothing about them, think what you want

In terms of CLASSIFICATION : OXY is AN HARD OPIATE (nothing to do with codeine or tramadol)

Read this apparently YOU know nothing :

http://www.pij-medic.info/site/images/stories/equivalence_des_opiacs1011.pdf

READ JUST PAGE ONE OF COURSE

It is in french but everyone could understand this chart

OXY is MORE POTENT than Morphine (at equivalent dosage of course) ! be serious guy !! don't tell stupid things 8)

 

[benzofan]

Mixing two CNS depressants increase each others effects. That's why people do it. Benzodiazepines greatly enhance the "sedative" effects of opiates. I would have thought somebody with the name "benzofan" would know this.

Sorry you're completely wrong you can even have an opposite effect by combining opiates and benzo (a psychoanaleptic effect, there are so much studies about that...) as I said it is complicated much more than we could think. Read, Test, Study.... but stop write stupidities

Just like the guy who thought that oxy is a weak opiate (ridiculous, I'm still laughing), we can read really stupid thing on this forum sometimes. But fortunately many guys have the good knowledge and when they don't know something they just don't write rather than tell stupid things in order to show "they know"

e.g for you : say that 300mg Tramadol is a good starting dose for a beginner !!!! stupid, stupid even dangerous, and the much funny thing is that you know that the max "normal" level is 400 mg. Why propose 300mg ????????????????

I'm sure "SOME" people are talking about EXPERIENCES they have NEVER DID in their life

The only point : I hope the guy "MYSTERIE" will be happy with its 300mg codeine, I'm pretty sure. Hope he will tell us. No offend but I'm exhausted by several answers.

Happy 2011

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

No, benzodiazepines increase the effects of opiates, anyone will agree with that like they just have. The best way to find out is to actually try it.

I have no ide where you read that but whatever information you read is incorrect. Don't think you know something nobody else knows. Its this simple: CNS depressants combined with another CNS depressant = effects will increase always, and all the time.

 

[benzofan]

No, benzodiazepines increase the effects of opiates, anyone will agree with that like they just have. The best way to find out is to actually try it.

I have no ide where you read that but whatever information you read is incorrect. Don't think you know something nobody else knows. Its this simple: CNS depressants combined with another CNS depressant = effects will increase always, and all the time.

I don't want to start a cultural fight. When I will have the time I'll give you serious web link to show you the studies (made by scientists, not by guys on a forum)

you need to learn medicine to don't affirm :

minus + minus = minus

Bye for now I go to bed

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

All you need to do is actually take the two. Its that simple. Anybody will feel increased effects. It doesn't take web sites or any of that. People overdose taking the combination because they enjoy the high of the combination. Opiate addicts love benzodiazepines because it increases the high. They sedate the hell out of you. But apparently it doesn't for you.

BTW: I'm not looking to start a "war" I'm just correcting information. By what your saying is that you should take MORE opiates if your taking benzodiazepines to get high because the benzos decrease the effects which is VERY dangerous information, that is an easy overdose. So I'm trying to save people from doing something so stupid. Anybody knows that taking two CNS depressants is dangerous.

 

[Gormur]

I never got much out of tramadol or codeine TBH.

same here

i barely noticed tramadol except when i was taking so much i was about to have a seizure. It had no pain killing effect whatsoever and made me feel like a zombie

the time i took codeine it was about 400-500mg. it gave me slight stomach cramps and got rid of my migraine, but i wasn't even remotely high

hydrocodone barely gets me anywhere either. i need at least 37.5mg in my system (five 7.5mg tabs) to get a decent buzz

morphine is the strongest opiate i've had and the only one i've enjoyed a lot so far.. altho after 4 days i wasn't feeling high anymore

so yea, natural tolerance sucks.. i'm confused and jealous when i see people get high off like 2 tabs

 

[Gormur]

All you need to do is actually take the two. Its that simple. Anybody will feel increased effects. It doesn't take web sites or any of that. People overdose taking the combination because they enjoy the high of the combination. Opiate addicts love benzodiazepines because it increases the high. They sedate the hell out of you. But apparently it doesn't for you.

BTW: I'm not looking to start a "war" I'm just correcting information. By what your saying is that you should take MORE opiates if your taking benzodiazepines to get high because the benzos decrease the effects which is VERY dangerous information, that is an easy overdose. So I'm trying to save people from doing something so stupid. Anybody knows that taking two CNS depressants is dangerous.

yea, considering all the nights i routinely took adderall/meth+alcohol+benzos+opiates together it still amazes me i never ODed or got myself into trouble

I think this confirms some natural tolerance i have because a lot of people would be in the hospital or dead

 

[benzofan]

All you need to do is actually take the two. Its that simple. Anybody will feel increased effects. It doesn't take web sites or any of that. People overdose taking the combination because they enjoy the high of the combination. Opiate addicts love benzodiazepines because it increases the high. They sedate the hell out of you. But apparently it doesn't for you.

BTW: I'm not looking to start a "war" I'm just correcting information. By what your saying is that you should take MORE opiates if your taking benzodiazepines to get high because the benzos decrease the effects which is VERY dangerous information, that is an easy overdose. So I'm trying to save people from doing something so stupid. Anybody knows that taking two CNS depressants is dangerous.

OK, good !