Nasty comedown - should I use piracetam?

[mark881]

Rolled exactly 7 days ago. Fine 6 days ago. As of 5 days ago the shittiest comedown ever. Just feel odd, poor mood, low mental focus and just like can't be bothered with anything.

1st time ever in my life I have had this. I am used to a 3 day afterglow. At worst, a little ratty during the week, but OK.

Did 5htp for 3 days....I've done 5htp once before, and it bounces you back fantastico. This time, man it did nothing really (although who knows how I'd feel without the 5htp). Felt better yesterday, but not so great today. I defo have serotonin downregulation.

Background info : rollin every 3 weeks generally recently. Doing up to 300mg per session. 7 days ago I did 180mg, although I know these pills are good but they are a dirtier MDMA that gives a bit more of a comedown than my clean MDMA powder. I should be happy - a LOT of things have worked out for me this month. Not to mention I was out clubbin with a beautiful girl last week and it was an excellent time. Really, aside from work being not great, I have nothing to really complain about and a lot to be thankful for.

Question 1 : should I do some piracetam NOW? I need to work and focus my brain/motivation.

Question 2 : I am going out for NY clubbing, it will be an E-party obv. Should I pre-load piracetam for this event????

Question 3 : At NY Clubbing, maybe I should just do 100mg of super clean MDMA I have? Drop late and not redose. I am now paranoid about a comedown. Actually I will clarify, NY Clubbing is in fact 2 days before. NY is another club but I will be driving and staying sober. I am more of a public service at NY for transport, but I don't want to be on some sort of mad downer and kill everyone's party.

Question 4 : My 5htp was opened maybe 8-9months ago. Does it go off? I have a new bottle sealed of Solgar 5htp....

 

[Mel22]

You are rolling too often. Taking up to 300mg per session is unwise, as is redosing. You say that these pills are "dirtier" MDMA? Make sure you are testing, as if you aren't, they could be anything.

Rolling every three weeks is abuse. Taking 300mg and redosing is abuse. If you continue to abuse MDMA, you will experience further negative side effects.

You can take Piracetam, it may or may not help you feel better. Your 5htp won't go "off" as such, it may just lose some potency over time.

I would suggest daily exercise, 8 hours of sleep every night, and eating a clean, healthy and balanced diet - no drugs or alcohol. This is the best thing you can do right now. I would also strongly advise against taking MDMA for a long time - a six month break would be clever, but absolute minimum would be three months. If you roll again on NY, you risk further negative consequences. In the interest of HR, if you must roll, no more than 100mg of tested MDMA and absolutely no redosing.

 

[n2n]

^ THIS!!

Diet is key to rolling good too. Check out darksidesam's E Diet.

A few hits off the bong don't hurt either.

 

[futura2012]

Rolled exactly 7 days ago. Fine 6 days ago. As of 5 days ago the shittiest comedown ever. Just feel odd, poor mood, low mental focus and just like can't be bothered with anything.

1st time ever in my life I have had this. I am used to a 3 day afterglow. At worst, a little ratty during the week, but OK.

Hey Mark nice to hear from you mate.

I must say what you describe is exactly what I had prior to my first come down from hell.

Comedowns went from depressed for 4-5 days after

Then to getting ratty and aggressive 3-4 days after

Then a few spells like you describe feeling odd, lack of motivation etc.

Continued to ignore these symptoms then a dose of MDMA and BZP gave me a 6 month comedown from hell. Anxiety, Paranoia, Panic Attacks, Insomnia you name it. I cannot describe it other than living hell.

Recovered from that then continued to take MDMA "responsibley" got fucked up in a club one night decided to buy an "unknown" pill. Another dose of BZP.

This time another comedown from hell 13 months and counting. Still in a very fucked up and nasty place. Unfit for work and super depressed and anxious.

All I can see is please read those early warning signs. Ignore them at your peril.

We have had some good chats over the last year I say this as a friend.

In an ideal world you want to get pissed up NYE and take a nice LONG break.

Please dont ignore those signs.

Clean MDMA, Pill MDMA defqons, Rockstars whatever fuck it all off for now and please take some rest.

 

[futura2012]

Sorry I didnt answer your question.

Piracetam only gave me sharp headaches in the middle of my head.

I understand that Choline combined with it is a good combo.

It might help you for the short term worth a try but I dont think it is a long term fix for a much bigger potentially brewing problem.

 

[mark881]

In an ideal world you want to get pissed up NYE and take a nice LONG break.

THIS. This is how I feel. I'm fine, I've had my MDMA fix for the year. Actually, I have no cravings now. TBH, I've had about 5-6 shitty or mediocre nights out on MDMA, and last week I hit it right on the nail with a banging night with a great friend. Now I am like, ahhhh...I really do not need to do this for a long time. Sadly though, I turn into a total miserable git if I am in the club without MDMA. I know myself I'm suffering serotonin down regulation. Defo.

As alternatives, I would take amphet, but I'm worried I'll have a heart attack or a terrible comedown. I'd consider 2cb but from what I hear too little = nothing, too much = too off your face. Sorta concerned about taking it.

Still I have the issue of NY. My plan is to take a low 125mg dose of MDMA powder, which I've used before and is soooooo clean and gentle. Or I may do 1/2 a Nintendo pill as I know they are v.clean also. But no redosing. And I will wait a while in the club before dropping. Still, I am edgy about it.

Conversely my clubbing posse has done 300-400mg per session x 30 events min this year. I'm like wtf and how the fuck. They are doing 300mg-400mg 29th Dec, then 300mg-400mg 31st Dec in pill form mostly. Excess alcohol will be combined with this. I think this is just pure nutty tbh. But then they are crazy crazy, they went to Germany to Berghain....drank from midday Saturday right through to 4am when they dropped 180mg pills + amphet each, then kept drinking till 3pm on the Sunday. That is 27hours of drinking and 15 hours inside the club!!!

@ Futura - I did a trial run of piracetam and yes, I got headache. I took choline from Solgar, no problems. Also I got bad mood. I took glutamic acid, it went away.

Today I can say I am back to normal. I feel good, my adrenalin has returned, my energy physical and mental is returning fast. As for diet, my diet is good. I've been ramming multivits down my neck since the weekend. The E-diet is very similar to what I eat anyway. I could probably eat more turkey, but I'm a big omega-3 dude.

 

[mark881]

UPDATE : Today, I woke OK. I'd say baseline or slightly below baseline. Then I felt crappy for a couple of hours, even though I took 45 minutes exercise. Thereafter I started to feel good, and by 5pm I was feeling great mostly, the odd moment of come-down feeling which passed v.quickly. Meanwhile my serotonin seems to climbing hugely. I've been in a great mood all night, really chatty and I'd say I am a decent chunk above baseline. I also note my sex drive has dropped a little this evening, so that is a sure sign of a serotonin surge.

Conversely, I decided at this point that I am not doing MDMA for 3 months. Depending on what happens at NY, I may bend the rules slightly to do 125mgx1 dose of super super clean molly, but I'm not really into it. Currently I have aborted the big club night and am not buying a ticket unless I feel ultra-super-happy as hell for the rest of the month.