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I take it everyone's in bed over there eh Evey? I'm pleased it's finally warming up in Michigan because it was a long ass winter. I'm taking some photos to send to my little one and bought him some stuff at Walmart so he won't be bored at the rehab.
 
Yes Bill lived there for 30 years, sold the house and moved back to Michigan in October. I havn't lived here since I was a kid, so this place is still pretty new to me. Hopefully the merry munchkin can join me and grandpa when he graduates next year. He's not a bad kid, just did some fucked up shit while getting high. I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
 
Sheet I guess not, hope you enjoy it up there
And I seen lots and houses going for insanely cheap prices in Detroit over the past week or so

If all the bums scraped together for like a week they could get a nice place lol
 
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Yes Bill lived there for 30 years, sold the house and moved back to Michigan in October. I havn't lived here since I was a kid, so this place is still pretty new to me. Hopefully the merry munchkin can join me and grandpa when he graduates next year. He's not a bad kid, just did some fucked up shit while getting high. I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
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Eeeh. Kid ended up an addict too eh? That sucks.
 
Neither of my parents were addicts... look at what I've become...
It has absolutely nothing to do with parents.. but has alot to do with emotional problems / curiosity, & suffering.. imo, atleast..
 
^thats not his point. His point is people with addict parents are more likely to become addicted themselves, which is true. No one ever said if your parents are clean youre likely to be straight as well.

But you say it has a lot to do w emotional problems and suffering, Im sure for most a lot of that is due to parents. My dad is a homeless crackhead but my mom is a straight arrow and had the same career for 30 years, I feel addiction can be in your genes. Parents are the biggest influence in a child's life, how can you say it has absolutely nothing to do with them?
 
You're creating an illogical fallacy.. First you say that children are more likely to be addicts if their parents are addicted themselves.. then you go to say that, well, if your parents are clean, you can still become an addict. Well, if you had clean parents, wouldn't you, yourself, be more likely to be clean? AND THEN, you say.. Parents have ALOT to do with a childs influences.. Well, then, why am I an addict? My parents were never addicts. I had a fantastic upbringing, and none of my problems were due to my parents.. Your parents cannot fix everything... Do you see what I'm saying?

I can say that >>MY<< addiction has absolutely nothing to do with my parents actions, or ideals. It was brought upon me by me. Or maybe... Perhaps, I'm just responsible, and take blame for everything. Who knows..


Anyways,... Why is Joe -Schmoe clean when he has addicted parents, and I'm an addict without addicted parents?
It doesn't matter, imo.. I think, if one were to have addicted parents, they would be more inclined to be CLEAN because they've first-handedly seen the damages of self-destruction & addiction....
 
Addiction runs on both sides of my family, as well as my ex so it shouldn't surprise me the boy went sideways. You always hear about "the addictive gene" and I'm not sure how much of this is nature vs nurture? Or more, the kid sees parent wasted during his formative years, believes this is what normal people do and simply follows suit. Or be repelled by seeing that and decide to be straight. I think it's probably a little bit of both but when do they decide?

My stepmom loved to smoke weed every day (never did it in front of us) but she had a successful career and was the first woman plant manager at Chrysler. My dad was an alcoholic who struggled with sobriety and was forced to retire early because he was always drunk. She was the person who warned me about this addictive gene when I was 19 and her advice was invaluable. I was good for a really long time and addiction didn't hit me until I was in my 30's. It's sneaky shit.
 
My father was a blue collared hard working man, but when he got off of work he liked to drink..
I started drinking a bit around 20 yrs old, but I don't know if you could say I was addicted to drinking.. even though I had a few drinks everyday for around 4-6 months straight.
I certainly wouldn't compare my alcoholism to my heroin addiction.. My hero addiction blew whatever my alcy 'addiction' was right out of the water, and I stopped drinking a couple years ago.
I can see where this 'addictive gene' comes in at, but I don't really believe in it. I believe in addictive personalities, and one could say that stems from addictive genes, but if that were true, then why do they not get addicted to the same things as their parents?
& Why do siblings not get addicted to things? There's too many variables.

You mention your ex... My ex's father abandoned her to live a life of crime & addiction. & her mother is an alcoholic.. She despises drugs, even weed.. however, she tried smoking weed a few times & didn't like it.. If addictive genes were true, she'd be addicted to something by now, right?
It's been 7 long years since I've dated my ex and she's still clean as a whistle...
 
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You're creating an illogical fallacy.. First you say that children are more likely to be addicts if their parents are addicted themselves.. then you go to say that, well, if your parents are clean, you can still become an addict. Well, if you had clean parents, wouldn't you, yourself, be more likely to be clean? AND THEN, you say.. Parents have ALOT to do with a childs influences.. Well, then, why am I an addict? My parents were never addicts. I had a fantastic upbringing, and none of my problems were due to my parents.. Your parents cannot fix everything... Do you see what I'm saying?

I can say that >>MY<< addiction has absolutely nothing to do with my parents actions, or ideals. It was brought upon me by me. Or maybe... Perhaps, I'm just responsible, and take blame for everything. Who knows..


Anyways,... Why is Joe -Schmoe clean when he has addicted parents, and I'm an addict without addicted parents?
It doesn't matter, imo.. I think, if one were to have addicted parents, they would be more inclined to be CLEAN because they've first-handedly seen the damages of self-destruction & addiction....
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Im not creating a fallacy. Im saying addiction is GENETIC, as well as being influenced by environmental factors. If one parent is clean then you probably didnt inherit such a trait from that particular parent.

One would think that if your parents are addicts you would see what a shit life it is, when i was a teenager i swore crack would be the one drug id never touch because my dad was such a fuckin loser and i despised him. Altho i was on the straight path my grandma always worried Id turn out like him and I didnt want that to be the case. Fast forward from then to 2008 and i was a crack smokin junkie fiend who moved on to shootin coke. So your theory sounds nice on paper but unfortunately doesnt pan out in the real world, myself being a prime example. I think addiction definitley can be an inherited trait.





T calderone: our situations are so similar. My mom is hardworking and clean, worked for the alaska railroad for almost 30 years. My dad used to be a train engineer, he smoked crack on occasions but wasnt addicted yet but was defi etly an alcoholic w some severe mental issues. He was becoming too much of a liability (cant trust an alchy to drive trains w hundreds on thousands in cargo) so they gave him two options: he could be forced i to early medical retirement using his mental illness as the reason, and get most of his retirement fund, or be flat out fired. My family has been in the railroad for 3 generations so they didnt want to fuck him, so he got a nice retirement package then blew it all on crack shortly thereafter.
 
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I'm sure I posted something here. Can't find out.

EDIT: Duhhhh at me; I put my post in the suboxone thread by mistake so I've removed it. Basically just asking how you're all doing n hope you don't mind me dropping by here from time to time, though I'm not from this area. I do, happen to recognise a few of you from the other sub-forums. We're having Bank Holiday Monday tomorrow, the in UK, so most of them are partying :D

Evey
 
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I'm sure I posted something here. Can't find out.

EDIT: Duhhhh at me; I put my post in the suboxone thread by mistake so I've removed it. Basically just asking how you're all doing n hope you don't mind me dropping by here from time to time, though I'm not from this area. I do, happen to recognise a few of you from the other sub-forums. We're having Bank Holiday Monday tomorrow, the in UK, so most of them are partying :D

Evey
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I enjoy reading posts from everyone who comes here. You are more then welcome to join in our fucked up conversation. It may be offensive,disgusting and down right apalling at times.
 
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