n,n,DMT on your own VS with friends

[guerillabedlam]

Doing it by yourself is best unless you feel youre absolutely in need of a trip sitter. DMT doesn't care what kind of degree you have nor if you are a fan of Stephen Hawkings and Richard Dawkins or even Terrence Mckenna. If you get a good few hits its beyond anything you can imagine possible from a hallucinogenic drug.

 

[pirate24]

I'm having a small GTG this weekend with 6 people.

I'm the "supplier" (was gifted a good supply). 3 people won't be using (the wifes of the girl and guy doing it, yes I do drugs with lesbians ) and my wife but only because she's pregnant.

We're all Carl Sagan (Happy Birthday!), Richard Dawking, Steven Hawking nuts. 4 of us hold at least a Bachelors degreNo one is going to have an issue with what they see or hear or experience.

having a bachelor's degree isn't any kind of preperation for being shot into the centre of the universe, trust me on that.

 

[TheAppleCore]

^ Agreed.

If you smoked DMT before and still call yourself agnostic you didn't smoke it right - or lie to yourself after the experience is over. imo.

Well, pretty much any reasonably intelligent person would be described as "agnostic". If someone asks you about your spirituality, and you describe yourself as agnostic, it's pretty much a cop-out answer. "Agnosticism" doesn't describe your beliefs -- it describes the fact that you don't regard any of your beliefs as true knowledge. It's an all-encompassing skepticism.

DMT can certainly help you develop your spirituality, but it won't erase skepticism about your own ability to understand the fundamental workings of the universe.

 

[mi5]

having a bachelor's degree isn't any kind of preperation for being shot into the centre of the universe, trust me on that.

I think its a very bad attitude to have in general, referring to educational certifications as some kind of general quantifier for someones personality or mindset

 

[mi5]

Volcano, do you vet your friends and check CVs of potential visitors to you house?

If someone had a PHd would they be treated even better than the BSc friends?

 

[Coolio]

DMT is completely a social drug. I feel like it's best to have humans around during the comedown to help you re-integrate and to analyze the content of your trip. You also get intense empathy and seeming telepathy when everyone in the room is passin around the DMT pipe.

 

[johannes kreisler]

^ Agreed.




Well, pretty much any reasonably intelligent person would be described as "agnostic". If someone asks you about your spirituality, and you describe yourself as agnostic, it's pretty much a cop-out answer. "Agnosticism" doesn't describe your beliefs -- it describes the fact that you don't regard any of your beliefs as true knowledge. It's an all-encompassing skepticism.

DMT can certainly help you develop your spirituality, but it won't erase skepticism about your own ability to understand the fundamental workings of the universe.

right.

I was thinking of agnosticism as an attitude of "I do not know if something is out/up/in there" and not about what is there - or not there...
on that note: the transcendence of dmt is inevitable imo.

 

[lightsaber]

I would never consider doing it with a friend. It's just such a totally personal experience. To me, that'd be like having sex with a third person sitting in the same room and watching my every move.

Different strokes for different folks...

Seriously though I really like smoking changa(25%DMT mix with ayahuasca herbs. Really popular in the Uk, people call it dancefloor DMT, don't know if it goes about in the states) with close friends during a quiet nigght in. We often end up talking about relationships or regrets and other pretty deep stuff.

 

[ColtDan]

i prefer it on my own

 

[OregonJunkyard]

the trouble is DMT being one forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge and therefore gnostifying agnostics and severely mindfucking atheists.

If you smoked DMT before and still call yourself agnostic you didn't smoke it right - or lie to yourself after the experience is over. imo.
after my first ++++ at least I pretty much immediately stopped calling myself an agnostic.
and: no, I do not "believe" in "god" as well. never did. and never will.

...I hear the "atheists" whisper: If I knew mystical experiences and being spiritual were like that - then I would have been a believer all along. it's obvious. how could someone doubt it?
when it comes to spirituality there are some principles that are undeniable and even imperative from the scientific point of view. not despite but because...

I've smoked dmt on well over a dozen occasions in San Francisco and Eugene, Oregon and have had product from different suppliers and have vaped and smoked it different methods in different devices.

I've seen some crazy shit and even talked to deep voices, but I'm still a hardcore athiest agnostic. (Yes, you can be both and they aren't always mutually exclusive terms). I've had the same spiritual views since before I did dmt and hold them after.I'm also just as skeptic as before of psychich powers, esp, and the super natural. Basicially I believe that humans don't understand this reality. I'm against religion and I don't belive prayer works or that people's concept of their personal god is a reality. There very well could have been some type of creator, but I don't see much evidence of a creator having a personal relationship with us.

So you're not an athiest, agnostic, or believer in god. What do you believe then?

 

[Ismene]

I always hate it when people try and co-opt the DMT experience into the same old man-made ideas about God and other religious bullshit like Buddhism. DMT is above all that man-made horseshit - ideas about "God" just contaminate it.

Take the experience for what it is. Don't try and superimpose other religious ideas you've heard over the top of DMT. It stands alone.

 

[Incogneto111706]

Personally it just depends on if in the trip you let yourself "submit" or not.
If you don't submit then nothing is going to make sense and you will not make sense.
In which case, no. By yourself and if necessary, no lights or distractions due to the fact that your mind and the Dmt create things on their own.

 

[johannes kreisler]

@OregonJunkyard:
well, I believe that it is connected and makes sense. thats pretty much it. I don't even want to say that it is "good".
it is what it is.
I believe that there is a collective unconscious and we were/are/will always be a part of it. (actually I "felt" some truth in the spirituality of Carl Gustav Jung long before I touched psychedelics...)

spirituality for me is to find out and be who you actually are and where you came from onto-/phylogenetically and "spiritually".
and to recognize your fellow (human) beings for what they are and respect and LOVE them.

finally spirituality is to be yourself in absolute freedom, to live this invaluable life that has been given to you to the maximum extent - and have no fear in doing so.

for me spirituality also means to ask the questions over and over again until they are answered for yourself. to think borderless regardless of the consequences, to rather go to hell and back before ceasing to ask said questions. to not be coward/lazy/doubting/cynical.

no need for "god", no need for religion, no need for rituals, prayers, commandments, sins, no need for dogmas.
the only need I feel is to be myself.

I could go on and on. english is not my mother tongue so this is quite difficult for me but I assume you get the point to some extent...



@ismene: disregarding spirituality in general as "man made horseshit" is one of the biggest mistakes (western) humanity is living in nowadays...
don't get me wrong. I do agree with you.
the point is: "spirituality" is completely biased, diluted and corrupted by this "man made horseshit" and the majority is lacking possibilities to discover their own spirituality - because of religions/esotericism/random sick and authoritative believe systems people are made to believe in through manipulation/laziness/repression/violence...

 

[TheAppleCore]

^ I agree that calling spirituality "horseshit" is rather arguable, but it is certainly man-made. Spirituality basically defines the domain of reality that is the subjective rather than the objective. It's not directly observable fact -- we have to make our own inferences.

 

[rave23]

i prefer to smoke alone.
Sometimes, though, i have a friend that joins me, and we blast off together. to be honest, his presence maybe reassures me some, but it doesn't make a difference to me.

He's the kind of friend that i can drop acid with, smoke DMT out of a bong while chasing the smoke outa the bong into my lungs with some Nitrous, and he'd sit there, making sure i was alright waiting for me to come back, so that i can do it to him.

 

[mi5]

please can i request no religion in my thread 8)

 

[Ismene]

@ismene: disregarding spirituality in general as "man made horseshit" is one of the biggest mistakes (western) humanity is living in nowadays...
don't get me wrong. I do agree with you.
the point is: "spirituality" is completely biased, diluted and corrupted by this "man made horseshit" and the majority is lacking possibilities to discover their own spirituality - because of religions/esotericism/random sick and authoritative believe systems people are made to believe in through manipulation/laziness/repression/violence...

I understand why people start reaching for ideas about God and ideas from Buddhism when they take DMT but I think it's better to disregard all of them and just use your own sense of wonder.

 

[SKL]

We're all Carl Sagan (Happy Birthday!), Richard Dawking, Steven Hawking nuts. 4 of us hold at least a Bachelors degreNo one is going to have an issue with what they see or hear or experience.

Hahahaha

You are eventually going to get your ass handed to you by a psychedelic drug going into it thinking in that way and I'd like to be there to laugh at your arrogance.

"Am I acting too wierd" (i.e., the druggie version of "Do these pants make my ass look fat?" :D ).

I love it.

He was so close. RIP suckeronehundred

LOL.

the trouble is DMT being one forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge and therefore gnostifying agnostics and severely mindfucking atheists.

If you smoked DMT before and still call yourself agnostic you didn't smoke it right - or lie to yourself after the experience is over. imo.

This is a bunch of crap. I don't even think that I need to give it a more organized response than that.

I've smoked dmt on well over a dozen occasions in San Francisco and Eugene, Oregon

Why on earth does it matter if you did it in Frisco, Eugene, Boston, New York, Omaha, or Wasilia?

 

[theghostofbillhicks]

If you 'break through', perceived company very quickly becomes irrelevant.

 

[SirTophamHat]

the trouble is DMT being one forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge and therefore gnostifying agnostics and severely mindfucking atheists.

If you smoked DMT before and still call yourself agnostic you didn't smoke it right - or lie to yourself after the experience is over. imo.
after my first ++++ at least I pretty much immediately stopped calling myself an agnostic.
and: no, I do not "believe" in "god" as well. never did. and never will.

...I hear the "atheists" whisper: If I knew mystical experiences and being spiritual were like that - then I would have been a believer all along. it's obvious. how could someone doubt it?
when it comes to spirituality there are some principles that are undeniable and even imperative from the scientific point of view. not despite but because...

The best way I can explain DMT to myself or anyone who asks me my opinion of it is this: It reveals to you the core of yourself. If, deepest down, you are upset with how things are going and you know it's all your fault, your trip will have an ass-kicking flavour to it. If you've been chillin lately, having a grand old time of life and getting things done, your trip will be a hyper-carnival-spatial-neuro-dimension-warp of circus tricks and colors thrown at you from inside out vortices which happen to be the hands, feet, tummies, or eyeballs of strange looking inhabitants of, well, your skull.

Then again everyone's experience is different %) What I mean is that I don't think it has to have a religious context put to it.

DMT is completely a social drug. I feel like it's best to have humans around during the comedown to help you re-integrate and to analyze the content of your trip. You also get intense empathy and seeming telepathy when everyone in the room is passin around the DMT pipe.

I've had experiences with groups of strangers that went over better than when I did it with a group of relatively close friends. Maturity and respect of the experience is key. I agree with you on the elevation of emotional connection.