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my,try to get some ritalin appointment coming up.

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yaesutom

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Ok i do think i meet most of the "requirements" for ADD, from all the research i've done. I set up an appointment with a psychiatrist, wont be til Jan 31st.
Now, if i go in there, and tell him/her "my family doctor put me on wellbutrin, and it only made my attention/focus problems worse, then my family doctor gave me a script for a small amount of ritalin to try, but he told me i would have to go see a psychiatrist after that"
If i lie, is there a way for them to find out if i really did get a script for ritalin from a general doctor? I would like to go in there and say "the ritalin worked excellent, i would take one before class and when i was doing homework and it worked wonders" (i really did get some ritalin from a friend and about 20mg works great but i supposed i shouldn't say a friend gave me some?)
I just want to make sure i dont end up with a script for wellbutrin or any other crap. I know all the stuff to say, about my problems, my attention/focus, i've read the "fake add" thread on bluelight on what to do, is there anything else i should expect going to this psychiatrist? I'm hoping, at least i'll get a small amount of ritalin, then i can go back and say "its not strong enough, i have to take 2, blah blah, but it works great for a few hours."
I'd be happy with ritalin, it works great so i am not that interested in trying to get an adderal or other script. Ritalin does not last long though, 20mg before class lasts..maybe 2 1/2 hours, then it wears off. I'm hoping i can eventually work the doc (if not this doctor, i'll try more) up to something like 20mg pills, 3 times a day or something like that. I'll talk about my attention problems at work during the day and how i need it to last most of the day (maybe not on the first appt. but when the right time comes).
I'll try to act like i know nothing about these drugs, i just want some "help", but should i lie and say my family doc gave me a script for low dose ritalin to see if it helped, to maybe speed up the process? Or should i just forget that part..? How would they know if i was lieing or not?
I had a friend, a girl, who went to her doctor (she was not even trying to get anything) and she told her doctor she has to smoke weed every day in order to study (which is true, for her, she's very strange but very smart) and the doc gave her ritalin without hesitation. The ritalin gave her headache's she likes the weed better (lol), so she gave me her bottle of about 25 10mg's, which...are about gone. I was using them for class, and it worked great.
 
Your age is a big factor - it gets more difficult as you become a young adult, and adult ADHD isn't commonly taken care of with amphetamines (they like drugs like Wellbutrin) .. so what do you do? You could say your doctor gave you some - ok, they request your charts (they might anyway) .. so scratch that - here is whatcha do.. walk in and sit down, be truthfull with your answers to his question and remember all you read in STP's guide to faking ADHD - use the lines from within to further this image of a poor soul suffering from ADHD .. now, this is whatcha say - back when you were in 4th grade you havd a lot of problems concentrating, so they threw you on Ritalin then when you were in 7th grade you moved to Adderall.. tell your doctor that you stopped taking it over the summer and now that you're back in school you see yourself having all the problems you had before - come out and ask if you can go back on the Adderall .. thats about it!
 
I don't understand PhreeX if they might request the charts they will note that he didn't have any ritalin or adderal prescribed.
 
Well, worried about these "charts" or whatever, if they can find out if i'm lying or not, i think i'll forget about that part. What about telling the truth, my "add" friend gave me a few of her ritalin to try out in class, and how much they helped. I was tested at Beaumont for ADD when i was a kid, ended up being not diagnosed (but i was this shy kid who didnt give a shit and didnt know anything about it then). I pretty much can tell mostly truth, since i really do think i have mild add. Will most doctors think "badly" of me if i tell them my friend gave me 10 of hers and how i've been using them for class til they ran out?
I would ask about her doctor but he is way out somewhere it would be a long drive, especially if i had to go there like every month for refills.
 
Stick with the truth as much as possible. Only lie when you absolutely need to. Good advice in all of life.
-ikarus
 
You should lie only as much as you can remember.. and I certinly wouldn't say you were taking a friends medication - drug diversion, another sign of abuse.. if you don't give up the doctors info they have no means of getting your charts and your secret is safe.. but you gotta play this up, get in the mindset of "ok, I was diagnosed with ADHD and was taking medication for the last 6 years, now that I am no longer on it I can't function" .. thats how a good scripter pulls it off - once you have convinced yourself it's all real, then you will have no problem bullshitting to a doctor..
 
Correct. Adults generally "outgrow" ADHD, and those that do suffer from it are best treeted with something like Wellburtin... simply state that you WERE on Adderall (keep the dose reasonable) and that it really helped - if they shoot that down, give it a few weeks and call back saying "it didn't work half as good as the Adderall" ... while not horribly common, there ARE grown adults that are taking amphetamines for their ADD disorders...
Good luck!
 
Ok, another couple questions.
When did adderal arrive on the market? I am 21 years old now, I might just say, "when i was a kid i used to go to a counselor and a psychiatrist because of my school problems and they put me on ritalin during middle school. It helped a lot but my parents took me off of it when i got into high school. I didnt do too good through high school but i never bothered to try the meds again. I've been out of high school for 3 years before i started going to college. Now that i'm back in school, and i really want to succeed, i'm having a real problem with anything that requires much mental effort. I'm getting distracted in class just like high school, and my mind is constantly wandering when i'm trying to sit down and do some homework/studying. I went to a general doctor in my city and he gave me wellbutrin, and all that did was make me nervous and 'scatterbrained' so i stopped taking that after about a month and a half."
If he/she asks where i got prescribed ritalin as a middle-schooler, i'll say i have no idea i'd have to ask my parents, because i didnt really know anything about it when i was that age.
Now about dosages, if he/she asks what dose i was taking, i could say "hmm i think it was like 20 something, i dont remember, but it was twice a day", trying to act like i know nothing about the dosages of these drugs, "but that i would like to try some kind of medication again, because i'm having the same problems i had before in high school"
I'm leaning towards NOT saying i took adderal as a kid, because ritalin i know is the "major one" and the doc would probably more likely believe me.
But if i do say i took adderal, i could say it like "hmm i was first on ritalin, then they put me on something else..started with an A i think but i dont know cause it was so long ago." Also with adderal i probably wouldn't want to mention any dosage, for the same reason. I could say i took "it" twice a day or something.. maybe, "they switched me from ritalin to hmm..something that started with an A i know, but i dont remember, then they increased the dose but i dont remember what exactly it was, because it was a long time ago. I would like to try some kind of medication again to see if it helps me now because i've dropped a couple classes because i couldn't concentrate in class or get the homework finished in time, and i really want to get through school with good grades"
Another question, if i go to this doc a few times (if he/she was willing to prescribe me something good), and get a "good" dose, i'd be happy with a ritalin script, 20mg like 2/3 times a day (i'll mention work related concentration problems too), can i then get a note or something to take to a normal doc (one covered on my insurance) every month for refills? Once i find a doc that gives me the "goods", i want to be able to go to the "normal" doctor just for refill scrips every month.
Sorry i seem to write a lot, but i'm on bzp now (LOL, which i am taking this a lot lately going to class and when i am studying, it helps somewhat but not as good as ritalin (the ones my friend gave me) did. :)
Thanks for all the replies guys/girls. :)
 
If you are 21 you are probably best off lying but there are other ways to go about it. You can tell your psych that you had problems concentrating all through grade school but just ignored them and slacked off.
Tell them that you wanted to succeed but just felt like you couldn't focus so it led to poor performance. Throw in some shit about doing well on tests but never being able to sit through a class or get your homework done. Then mention that now that you are in college you are determined to succeed and now want to treat your ADD. Tell him your roommate is taking ritalin or adderall and explained ADD to you and you are pretty convinced that you have the same condition.
You might want to mention some stuff about questioning it when younger but your parents are very anti-medication and tend to suggest keeping your problems to yourself.
I told most of this to my doctor and have worked my way from nothing to ritalin to adderall. Of course, in my situation it is actually the truth, but it seemed to be a good way to help get around the age issue. As I mentioned previously, you are probably best off just lying as phreex said.
Make sure you don't say you were on adderall too early though. It has been used to treat obesity since the 1970s but wasn't renamed to adderall and re-approved by the FDA until 1996.
Worst case scenario you can trash the wellbutrin prescription you get from this psych and go ask another one. You might have better luck getting a prescription from a family doctor in a rich town that hands out ritalin to the under-developed children of soccer moms who are too busy bitching at dad to raise their children.
 
"Adults generally "outgrow" ADHD"
I don't think psychiatrists generally believe this anymore. My first psychiatrist's wife and daughter take medicine for ADHD. My psychologist is like 50 and he takes medicine for ADHD too (treated by a fellow psychiatrist). But in all fairness, if you are 30 and seem to have done OK without medicine, its gonna take some extra work to get a script.
My suggestions:
You have no family history of mental illness. You have never used drugs, smoked pot, etc. You drink occaisonally and don't typically get drunk (don't say this if you are 12).
You can't just rely on memorizing the DSM IV. You need to do this but you also have to act the part and can't sound rehearsed. You could forge a letter from your Mom or an old teacher who explains you have been like this your whole life, don't know what to do, etc. You also need to study the DSM IV sections on Depression, Anxiety, Bipolar, and a lot of other disorders so that you don't respond inappropriately to screening questions. It is fairly common for them to ask you a battery of questions to check for other disorders and if you get a red flag, they will pursue it with more questions. Over half of children/adolescents with ADHD have a comorbid disorder (like depression). It is basically standard practice to treat the other disorder before prescribing stimulants. So you have to paint yourself as being in the minority of people who have just ADD if you want stimulants right away.
Read other people's personal stories of ADHD on the web and imagine a pseudo-childhood for yourself and score some emotional points with whoever you see.
Getting scripts for psychological disorders will always be far easier than getting opiate scripts. The reason is because there is no objective test for most psych. disorders. In other words, a good actor shouldn't have a problems getting an ADD script.
 
Update:
Score!, well...somewhat anyway, at least he didnt give me something worse like wellbutrin. I went to the doc...sat for only maybe..20 mins..he had his script pad in his lap the whole time. I ended up with a script for 45 18mg Concerta's. He says, take one in the morning, for 2 weeks, then take 2 in the morning for the next 2 weeks, then i have an appointment in about a month. He told me this is the lowest dosage and i'll have to come back until i find "what medication and dosage works", then i will only have to come back every 3 months or so.
I took 2 of these this morning, it was noticeable throughout the day at work, barely. Of course when i go back i will say "i didnt notice anything taking one for the first 2 weeks, but i did start to notice it helped when i was taking 2, but still isn't strong enough."
I would be happy with, lets say, 20mg generic ritalin, 3 times a day. I will stress to the doc that i would rather take generic ritalin, a few times a day, then to take Concerta, because of the cost. I'll tell him my insurance covers a bigger percentage of generic drugs. I'll also tell him that the Concerta wears off before my night classes, and that i would rather be able to control the dose more, being able to take a tab before class, before i study, at the "right times". He seems like a nice doc, he wasn't too hesatent to write out that concerta script quickly, without many questions. I didnt really have to lie about anything, other than when he asked if my family has a history of mental illness (i said my sister has ADD, which she does), dad and mom's drug abuse (of course not doc, lol).
I still dont have any intention of mentioning adderal, i have never tried it, although i would probably like it, but since i like ritalin and the generic is cheap, if i "work the doc" up to 20mg/3 times a day, i'll be happy.
Oh, and by the way, i took 3 more concerta's after work (after taking 2 in the morning), i feel a little wired, awake, no real fun though of course. Maybe i'll lay off the stuff for a week and take like 10 of them, i'm sure i'll get a decent buzz off that, long lasting..
 
When you see him in a month, you'll probably have your only chance to get Adderall or Dexedrine. You have to complain about some of the concerta specific side effects like stomach ache and headache. Methylphenidate (ritalin, concerta) has side effects that some people can't tolerate. You should also mention the price because concerta is ungodly expensive, second only to Desoxyn. Adderall and dexedrine on the other hand are cheap and people who don't respond to ritalin usually respond to one of these.
Avoid saying "not strong enough". You can imply this but use different words (didn't improve my attention much, etc).
It might seem like a good idea to just take more, and this works for most drugs...but not concerta. The most euphoria you are going to get is from just one or two pills, after that just more side effects.
Its better than wellbutrin though because you shouldn't have too much trouble getting switched to a better stimulant.
 
Abra is correct, you need to make the move now - don't indicate you were taking double the prescribed dose - thats a sign of abuse .. simply say that you suffer from many of the common side effects - you can find a list of the most common below, oryou can find them just as I did - went to Google and typed "Concerta Side Effects" and then just hopped page to page looking for the most common.. your doctor has shown a willingness to prescribe amphetamines, so this is a GOOD THING.. if you enjoy Ritalin you would most likely enjoy Adderall or Dexedrine more ..
Ok, thise side effects:
On second thought, you can just go to the webpage I found most of these on yourself, the list would bump this onto another page.. of course you only want to pick a few of the most common and run with those, don't rattle off the entire list... also stick with related side effects - if you want to go with "dizyness" then also go with "headaches" and the like..
http://www.mindful-things.com/drug_side_effects/drug_side_effects_concertaa.html
Remember, you have already been prescribed an amphetamine, so no matter WHAT regemine he wants to go with, you can ALWAYS say "out of all these the Concerta worked the best, but I had those damn [side effects] .. you have succeeded, you win!
 
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