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My theory about hppd

I guess I meant the scientific community, not science itself. All science can do is assume a limited amount of information based on logical inferences from observation. The scientific community however assumes more knowledge than is even logical to assume. An example would be western medical practices. Tie chi, acupuncture and meditation would go further in many cases Western medicine would prescribe pharmaceuticals to cover the problem up rather than solve it.
 
well, there is this old wisdom which says that harm is pain multiplied with resistance.
and in my opinion this definitely occurs for hppd, i d severe hallucinations of horror stuff and when i think about this too much i get some kind of unreasoned anxiety even without seeing anything properly, so no horror-figure "touched" me as it did in the severe phase since then, so i start to think about it as no "danger" anymore and with every day i deal with it it becomes better. somehow i start finding kind of interest in it, so maybe this is the proper way to treat it.

humans are tending to chronic pain even if the source of the pain is effaced, i decided to not throw myself in a similiar vicious circle with hppd.
 
^ Maybe it is good idea to see a doctor?

Of course, you can overcome your problems on your own, but it should be easier with proper medication.
 
^ Maybe it is good idea to see a doctor?

Of course, you can overcome your problems on your own, but it should be easier with proper medication.
no, i like it, it s an awesome state of perception without anxiety.
it also improved my life, but bad vibes tend to anxiety, unreasoned anxiety.
i can deal with it. <3
 
^ I agree, HPPD-like state can be fun. :) Though you probablt experience more wide range of effects than me.

Also, if HPPD isn't problem for you, but anxiety is, then maybe visit a doctor to get proper anxyiolytic?
I had anxiety, and sometimes it was quite terrible. When I decided to do something about it, I "self-prescribed" phenibut and then I felt better. So I know that it is possible to live with anxiety, but life without it is much better!
 
anti anxiety medications only cover up unresolved problems. Until you delve into yourself and face your demons in a methodical way will the inner tension causing the anxiety be released. They are also highly addictive. In most cases I'd just say fuck pharmaceuticals. Not that I'm anything close to a trained professional in anything.
 
I am God wanting there to be a God and knowing that I am all that there is showcases that I am nothing wanting to be something. INSANITY
 
anti anxiety medications only cover up unresolved problems. Until you delve into yourself and face your demons in a methodical way will the inner tension causing the anxiety be released. They are also highly addictive. In most cases I'd just say fuck pharmaceuticals. Not that I'm anything close to a trained professional in anything.
No, they do help(at least they helped me). And not all anxiolytics are highly addictive. There are many other anxyolitics besides benzos.
 
No. This isn't even a theory, it's a hypothesis.

I mean, seriously, this line of thinking ("science blows, I'll make up my own explanations for everything") was what ICP was into when they made Miracles. Fucking magnets, how do they work?

Also, the color purple tends to be a very common color according to the people I've talked to with it, as it is with myself. Purple is the color associated with the third eye. When I do meditations with it, purple tends to appear vividly. Other effects described of both opening your third eye and hppd:
sudden flashes of what looks like a black or dark background with scattered 'stars'
Sudden flashes of purple or blue
im stoned and can't remember the others but you get my point.
Sounds like phosphenes of the "prisoner's cinema" variant, probably visual snow thrown in there too for good measure. I've been experiencing that permanently since I was born. (They're pretty spectacular, but they make it ridiculously hard to fall asleep. They also make it hard to tell if I'm looking at a plain white wall or a chasm made out of fractals when I'm stoned or tripping. All in all, I think I'd prefer it if whatever brainpower that's leaking to cause them to happen would just go into my actual thought process instead.) So...? According to your theory, I must have transcended, since my "third eye was opened" from the very start.

That, or you're a crazy hippie who can't deal with someone not accepting unsubstantiated druggie theories as scientific phenomenon.
Hey now, being a hippie doesn't necessarily mean you subscribe to "ignorance is bliss".
 
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No. This isn't even a theory, it's a hypothesis.

I mean, seriously, this line of thinking ("science blows, I'll make up my own explanations for everything") was what ICP was into when they made Miracles. Fucking magnets, how do they work?

Sounds like phosphenes of the "prisoner's cinema" variant, probably visual snow thrown in there too for good measure. I've been experiencing that permanently since I was born. (They're pretty spectacular, but they make it ridiculously hard to fall asleep. They also make it hard to tell if I'm looking at a plain white wall or a chasm made out of fractals when I'm stoned or tripping. All in all, I think I'd prefer it if whatever brainpower that's leaking to cause them to happen would just go into my actual thought process instead.) So...? According to your theory, I must have transcended, since my "third eye was opened" from the very start.

Hey now, being a hippie doesn't necessarily mean you subscribe to "ignorance is bliss".

If you believe in reincarnation, which you probably don't, it would make sense that in past lives you had opened your third eye, so then you would experience that from a young age. Its all speculation in the end, and I'm sure ultimate reality is way more mind blowing than either of us can comprehend so why not speculate big? These ideas have existed for thousands of years and my recent life experiences confirm them. I'm ignorant of the specific scientific terms, so yeah I guess I meant hypothesis. It's not like I'm claiming science isn't useful, I wouldn't exist without it, without my asthma medication I would have died at a young age. Its just when it comes to the scientific communities' criticisms of anything existing beyond their own scope of things, its just blatant ignorance. That ignorance results in bullshit like the fact that the scientific community cares more about spending billions and billions of dollars on checking out rocks on mars than feeding people on this fucking planet. Science is the ultimate WMD for the powerful. Take scientists Richard Dawkins for another example, they're total pricks to anyone who think differently then they do. They're blatantly out to eradicate what they obviously don't understand. Science is too powerful for our own good, as Thoreau put it; "Men have become the tools of their tools." If we think of God as an archetypal symbol of the human psyche, it really stands for a symbol of the ultimate meaning of life, fulfillment, enlightenment or 'heaven' within ourselves. However you interpret that, through equations or through direct experience or symbols or whatever, its ultimately the same thing. We mostly stumble through the dark in life, most of us not realizing that we are all really on our own 'spiritual' path. Some of us just detest the words specific to their connotations with who they perceive to be ignorant people. Whatever your search for truth and meaning is in life, in my terms, thats a spiritual path. Have you really never gained an incredible insight from psychedelics before? Why would a chemical change your entire perception of life? Explain than in terms of science or evolution without spirituality if you can. Do you think the apes we descended from could possibly perceive where evolution would take them? Its tantamount to an existence in different dimensions for our kind after eons. It simply isn't logical to obstinantly believe anything isn't possible. Even if it were all just symbols, symbols have enormous power on the mind, so with the right symbols or archetypes or whatever, and a guided 'spiritual' path, an incredible 'spiritual' destiny is the result. I've digressed quite a bit because I'm crossfaded, but thats about the last rant I can give in this thread, though I've said that once already so we'll see.
 
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If you believe in reincarnation, which you probably don't, it would make sense that in past lives you had opened your third eye, so then you would experience that from a young age. Its all speculation in the end, and I'm sure ultimate reality is way more mind blowing than either of us can comprehend so why not speculate big? These ideas have existed for thousands of years and my recent life experiences confirm them. I'm ignorant of the specific scientific terms, so yeah I guess I meant hypothesis. It's not like I'm claiming science isn't useful, I wouldn't exist without it, without my asthma medication I would have died at a young age. Its just when it comes to the scientific communities' criticisms of anything existing beyond their own scope of things, its just blatant ignorance. That ignorance results in bullshit like the fact that the scientific community cares more about spending billions and billions of dollars on checking out rocks on mars than feeding people on this fucking planet. Science is the ultimate WMD for the powerful. Take scientists Richard Dawkins for another example, they're total pricks to anyone who think differently then they do. They're blatantly out to eradicate what they obviously don't understand. Science is too powerful for our own good, as Thoreau put it; "Men have become the tools of their tools." If we think of God as an archetypal symbol of the human psyche, it really stands for a symbol of the ultimate meaning of life, fulfillment, enlightenment or 'heaven' within ourselves. However you interpret that, through equations or through direct experience or symbols or whatever, its ultimately the same thing. We mostly stumble through the dark in life, most of us not realizing that we are all really on our own 'spiritual' path. Some of us just detest the words specific to their connotations with who they perceive to be ignorant people. Whatever your search for truth and meaning is in life, in my terms, thats a spiritual path. Have you really never gained an incredible insight from psychedelics before? Why would a chemical change your entire perception of life? Explain than in terms of science or evolution without spirituality if you can. Do you think the apes we descended from could possibly perceive where evolution would take them? Its tantamount to an existence in different dimensions for our kind after eons. It simply isn't logical to obstinantly believe anything isn't possible. Even if it were all just symbols, symbols have enormous power on the mind, so with the right symbols or archetypes or whatever, and a guided 'spiritual' path, an incredible 'spiritual' destiny is the result. I've digressed quite a bit because I'm crossfaded, but thats about the last rant I can give in this thread, though I've said that once already so we'll see.
A wall of text that isn't separated into paragraphs = cruel, so I'll just respond to some key points.

If you believe in reincarnation, which you probably don't, it would make sense that in past lives you had opened your third eye, so then you would experience that from a young age.
I don't really bother thinking about if there's an afterlife and, if so, what it entails, because that's unknowable to us. Hell, we haven't even divined the nature of our existence in this life, but that probably be something that's just as unknowable. But if there is reincarnation, I highly doubt things like memories would be transferred at all in any capacity.

Its just when it comes to the scientific communities' criticisms of anything existing beyond their own scope of things, its just blatant ignorance.
The scope of science is the scope of the actual facts that have been uncovered. More justified information means the scope increases. Random unbacked speculation doesn't do anything.

That ignorance results in bullshit like the fact that the scientific community cares more about spending billions and billions of dollars on checking out rocks on mars than feeding people on this fucking planet. Science is the ultimate WMD for the powerful. Take scientists Richard Dawkins for another example, they're total pricks to anyone who think differently then they do. They're blatantly out to eradicate what they obviously don't understand. Science is too powerful for our own good, as Thoreau put it; "Men have become the tools of their tools."
I'd attribute that more to culture rather than science alone. Culture, in evolutionary terms, was meant to be our own innate ability to adapt. Problem is, culture ended up undermining the natural selection process of evolution, and culture itself is being undermined by greed via things such as social engineering. In short, we're not adapting much anymore, and just because we've evolved sentience doesn't mean we don't still need to do so. You think science is our greatest threat? No, we are our own enemy, and we can't adapt to that now. Could try genetic engineering within the next 100-200 years, assuming we haven't blown each other up by then, but that's a roll of the dice and could go either way.

If we think of God as an archetypal symbol of the human psyche, it really stands for a symbol of the ultimate meaning of life, fulfillment, enlightenment or 'heaven' within ourselves. However you interpret that, through equations or through direct experience or symbols or whatever, its ultimately the same thing.
No, no two formulations of that concept are the same; otherwise, there'd only be one religion in the history of mankind.

Whatever your search for truth and meaning is in life, in my terms, thats a spiritual path.
Or, you know, philosophy (especially metaphysics).

Have you really never gained an incredible insight from psychedelics before?
Sure. Here's a few:
1) Perception skews what we think reality is way more than we give it credit for.
2) Emotions, memories, etc. are just aspects of the human mind, and aren't representative of your fundamental self, the "soul", which I see as separate from the "mind", although they do combine with each other, perhaps synergistically.
3) Identity isn't actually defined by what something is, but by what something is not.

It simply isn't logical to obstinantly believe anything isn't possible.
It isn't logical to believe nothing is possible, but to believe anything is possible? Look, I can't just believe I can fly and then have a pair of wings sprout out of my ass.

Even if it were all just symbols, symbols have enormous power on the mind, so with the right symbols or archetypes or whatever, and a guided 'spiritual' path, an incredible 'spiritual' destiny is the result.
Symbols and archetypes are our (i.e. mankind's, collectively) own construct. I wouldn't concentrate too much on them, because they just act as a red herring if you do.
 
I highly doubt things like memories would be transferred at all in any capacity.
Not specific memories, but your soul would still be effected by other lives. Logically, after you die, your parts don't just disappear, they merge into everything else, the atoms of your body don't simply vanish. So what happens to consciousness? Sure after death your ego may die, along with any conception of yourself, but your soul, the bridge of your mind to the divine ground of all being, or god dimension (5-me0 DMT) Lives striving for reunion with that ground, or enlightenment. So what you do in this life effects the ones required for you to attain that.


I'm not trying to claim an ultimate truth that you all need to adhere to, just trying to articulate my views better.

The scope of science is the scope of the actual facts that have been uncovered. More justified information means the scope increases. Random unbacked speculation doesn't do anything.

Facts are incredibly rare in science according to scientific terms. My beliefs are not random unbacked speculation as I've explained over and over. They come from my subjective experience, which is an argument we have pretty well established is unsuccessful due to such radically different views on what is credible evidence.

Symbols and archetypes are our (i.e. mankind's, collectively) own construct. I wouldn't concentrate too much on them, because they just act as a red herring if you do.
Don't be niave enough to think your above archetypes. The conscious human mind is a fragile thing only just strong enough to cover up the daunting subconscious and subconscious. Archetypes allow us to make sense of patterns to our existence and make sense of our experience.
Symbols are man made archetypes. When enough attention is paid by enough people in a driven way, symbols have enormous power. Most symbols, you are right, mislead one from an authentic spiritual path. But you can make your own symbols for yourself. It works the same way as compassion cultivating meditations. Sure while doing them, when I say to myself "may I be more understanding than judgmental, may I replace my fear with courage, my defensiveness with openness and acceptance..." I don't all of a sudden gain this cosmic super-power 'karma' which ensures me good luck or protection or anything. Thats not how the pattern humans have labeled karma works.
What it does is change my internal world, how my mind works. So by doing that daily, eventually by merging with the intellectualized concept to the point of its true substance, it begins to change me and therefore the energy, or if thats to hippy dippy of a word for you then 'vibes', that I'm projecting to the external universe which in turn changes my course in life. So with symbols, if you have the right ones, by moving past the symbol while using it as a means to a destination and not in and of itself, what you can accomplish with your mind is more remarkable than we can conceive or speculate.
I'd attribute that more to culture rather than science alone.
Thats why I keep saying scientific community.

In short, we're not adapting much anymore, and just because we've evolved sentience doesn't mean we don't still need to do so. You think science is our greatest threat? No, we are our own enemy, and we can't adapt to that now. Could try genetic engineering within the next 100-200 years, assuming we haven't blown each other up by then, but that's a roll of the dice and could go either way.
Seriously? With the population expanding at the crazy rate it is, its drastically effecting our collective human consciousness. Humanity is one of the main archetypal concepts we function from and with. We are evolving in new ways, ways beyond escaping predators and figuring out how to keep ourselves warm.
The mind is the next frontier for mankind (though the taoists have it right in that its really the same inside v.s outside). The human brain is the most complex thing known to man kind. Psychology is an infantile science dealing with the utter wilderness of our minds. Take psychosis for example. We know utterly nothing about it. It disturbs us to think about it. They though are entirely convinced. Obviously they are existing on some very far off conscious plane, that we can't comprehend. Its just a testament to the vast unknown territory. There are other realms of the mind, more enlightened and powerful than humanity's current one.

No, no two formulations of that concept are the same; otherwise, there'd only be one religion in the history of mankind.
You'd be surprised at the vast amount of common ground between all the major world religions, even christainity and Islam. I think I've already said it, but The Perennial Philosophy by Huxley articulates this pretty well.


1) Perception skews what we think reality is way more than we give it credit for.
2) Emotions, memories, etc. are just aspects of the human mind, and aren't representative of your fundamental self, the "soul", which I see as separate from the "mind", although they do combine with each other, perhaps synergistically.
3) Identity isn't actually defined by what something is, but by what something is not.
To your first point; thats true, however intuition is an entirely different matter. To your second, thats exactly what I'm talking about with your personal psyche or soul, that nexus of the conscious mind to the eternal 'over-soul'. And no emotions and thoughts aren't coming from that divine ground or over soul, but from the more illusory and individualized states of our being, which we are all advertently or inadvertently struggling to overcome, though we mostly just fuck up. Identity is action which in your argument would be 'is', not 'is not'. I can't see any other possible definition, so elaborate please.

It isn't logical to believe nothing is possible, but to believe anything is possible? Look, I can't just believe I can fly and then have a pair of wings sprout out of my ass.
I meant that hyperbolically. Obviously I can't meditate on being able to fly and then just be able to because 'my chakras are stronger than yours' or some shit. I was trying to emphasize the untapped power of the human mind. Our technology is progressing at such an alarming rate, soon what is now the internet, or video games will turn into virtual reality. Some people will abandon this world completely. People will have to decide which consciousness they want to live in to a much greater extent then we're familiar with. Basically other worlds and dimensions will be in store for our kind definitely not in our lifetimes, but probably much sooner than we think.

Sure its more speculation, but go ahead and tell me why that wont ultimately happen as we develop technology that to us now is tantamount to the CERN partical collider to a caveman, considering the exponential rate of advancement.
 
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@Solipsis: I agree - they are terms that some folk are tripping over here. And I have no interest in selectively backing the validity of particular semiotic descriptors. This is what the skeptics do to try and bolster their crumbling position; using a word like 'chakra' is useful for a particular instance of description of something of the transcendental nature, in the same way that using the word 'atom' is situationally useful; but neither describe a fundamental aspect of existence. They are quantizations of ultimate reality at differing scales and dimentions, used soley for the descriptive purpose of the temporarily smudged understanding of the linguistic communication of localized phenomenon.

Concentrating on the validity of such descriptors is missing the point, regardless of their usefulness. But it doesn't mean that they shouldn't be used. Rather than doing what the skeptics here are doing (which is to select and deride - independently of context - the semiotic tools utilized for the debate), I am trying to illuminate (in the face of contemptuous ignorance) the holistic nature of divinity, the matters that fall outside of our limited egocentric awareness but are intimately intertwined with it. The non-duality that exists beyond our confusingly dualistic mechanism of perceiving all that is.
 
^Very true. Allot of the terms I use I use out of necessity. They are only a sound we can make with our mouths signifying a particular pattern in our experience. As such, "karma", "energy", "enlightenment", etc... don't exist. Thats why I'm not a 'Buddhist', 'Taoist" or 'existentialist'. These are only sounds we've applied to certain patterns or concepts. In the tersest words I can devise, there is only the divine ground containing us illusory entities with varying degrees of awareness of that divine ground.
 
^ Maybe it is good idea to see a doctor?

Of course, you can overcome your problems on your own, but it should be easier with proper medication.

Also, if HPPD isn't problem for you, but anxiety is, then maybe visit a doctor to get proper anxyiolytic?
I had anxiety, and sometimes it was quite terrible. When I decided to do something about it, I "self-prescribed" phenibut and then I felt better. So I know that it is possible to live with anxiety, but life without it is much better!

So many people grow up with the indoctrinated notion that anything that feels 'negative' to them is a so-called 'disorder' and must be treated with medical intervention of practices which they know nothing. People hand over all their power and trust to government establishments to run their lives for them and tell them what is and what isn't good for them, because they grow up being made to feel powerless over themselves. If you tell yourself something is a disorder, it becomes one. I spent years of self-pity grovelling at the feet of the psychiatric 'profession' because I didn't want to take responsibility for my own internal demons. I could never understand why they couldn't just listen to what I was saying and fix it for me. Why do I mention this? Notice the amount of people who tell you that they have a mental 'disorder' of some sort. You see it all the time on here. Everyone's got a disorder for something, it's most often used as an identification point for negative habits or circumstances which people feel powerless to correct. And the reason people feel powerless over themselves is because of the perpetuation of that very belief by a blindsided society.
 
^ If you call black "white", black won't become white.

Notice the amount of people who tell you that they have a mental 'disorder' of some sort. You see it all the time on here.
I guess that's because they self-diagnosed themselves using wikipedia(or any other sources). Disorders must be properly diagnosed by professionals.
Disorder aren't good things at all, they make people suffer. With help of professionals and proper medications people get better. What's the problem?

Also, there are plenty of non-mental disorders. Aren't they real for you too?

I spent years of self-pity grovelling at the feet of the psychiatric 'profession' because I didn't want to take responsibility for my own internal demons. I could never understand why they couldn't just listen to what I was saying and fix it for me.
Maybe you saw not very professional doctors? Or maybe you had to see not psychiatrist but psychotherapist? I don't know what kind of problems you had, so this was just a guess.

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Anyhow, my advise was to visit a doctor. What's your advice? "Do not visit a doctor"?
 
So many people grow up with the indoctrinated notion that anything that feels 'negative' to them is a so-called 'disorder' and must be treated with medical intervention of practices which they know nothing. People hand over all their power and trust to government establishments to run their lives for them and tell them what is and what isn't good for them, because they grow up being made to feel powerless over themselves. If you tell yourself something is a disorder, it becomes one. I spent years of self-pity grovelling at the feet of the psychiatric 'profession' because I didn't want to take responsibility for my own internal demons. I could never understand why they couldn't just listen to what I was saying and fix it for me. Why do I mention this? Notice the amount of people who tell you that they have a mental 'disorder' of some sort. You see it all the time on here. Everyone's got a disorder for something, it's most often used as an identification point for negative habits or circumstances which people feel powerless to correct. And the reason people feel powerless over themselves is because of the perpetuation of that very belief by a blindsided society.

be quiet and take your soma.
(idk if you've ever read brave new world, if you haven't that didn't make any sense.)
 
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Fascinating theory but I believe it deals with memory. Triggered memories of visual changes from familiar colors/patterns/textures. Similarly to the way our minds interpret optical illusions only psychedelics induce visuals similar to optical illusions, therefore normal patterns similar to memories of being on psychedelics may distort and twist ect. That's my theory at least. Mine went away many many months ago (can't remember) after cutting down heavily on psychs. To me its a result of memories of tripping being so distant. For example if you have a shitty job that tramples your well-being all you can think about is that shitty boss... but 3 years later it may be hard to recall that person's name who once made your life shitty. I don't think HPPD is a "real" disorder but a byproduct of the brain being conditioned to behave/respond to certain external stimuli that draws a connection with memories of a previous psychedelic experience. If it truly impairs your life then i BELIEVE the situation is the same but memories are being recalled TOO much from tripping TOO often on large doses... or a person could be very sensitive to hallucinogenic persisting perception. Sounds more logical to me.
 
lol speculating about HPPD is one thing but floaters are a pretty well known and documented phenomenon.

"Floaters are deposits of various size, shape, consistency, refractive index, and motility within the eye's vitreous humour, which is normally transparent."

A LOT of people seem to think that what optometrists call floaters or flashers are HPPD when they're normal and natural visual occurrences.

Or I've seen posts on other sites where people describe being able to see the blood vessels in the back of their eyes-this happens to me when I'm in bright sunlight or while I'm driving, and they think that's HPPD too when it's not.

I've seen what people here on bluelight and other sites call "Visual noise" or pixelated visuals/ a snow-like pattern, a grid/tile like pattern, and minor breathing walls but it would get worse from stress, lack of sleep, or anxiety, and it completely stopped after I stopped using all psychedelics and smoking herb.

I was told how the visual noise I saw was not HPPD but just stuff that you start to notice after you've tripped hard on psychedelics that most people do sometimes get but either don't notice at all or they ignore it.
 
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