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What do you like to do for fun? In most places people do so many things besides hitting the bars. Have you tried to go to the bar and not drink alcohol.

I think its really important in recovery to somehow facilitate a change from doing all we can to not use to no longer desiring to use. It does not take away the addiction it just takes away allot of its power.

A good way to do this is to look at how the drugs made you feal all day long. The anxiety, the compulsion, the feeling of being a slave and needing to take the drug to feal ok, but worse than you feal every day now. Your not trying to avoid doing the drug because of negative effects on your life.. you don't want to do the drug because it made you feal awful most of the time, extinguished your soul and your ability to feal, make you nauseous and itchy, made you feal like you had a serious virus when you didn't have it, controlled your thoughts, made your whole life revolve around it... and made you feal like shit, I bet you feal better 95% of the time now than you did 100% of the time then.

Its not something amazing you can no longer do.. its pretty much the worst thing in the world.

When you can see the use of the drug for what it really is, hell.. then you can go from resisting its use to no longer wanting to do it.
 
Thanks for the response NSA. I do not know I just feel aggravated. I have never had a problem with drinking just oxys, but I have had issues with binge eating. I use to smoke for 5 years. Mainly when I took pills. Now I can have a cigarette occasionally and never crave one. SO I am wondering if I could do that with drinking. I do not have any hobbies really. Just internet and video games and eating bad stuff. ALL bad hobbies. I do enjoy video games though. I will start running again today. I do not know. I just hate thinking about being a drug addict and having to deal with this the rest of my life. I envy those who never had drug problems. I just wish I could put my addiction behind me. But I am constantly paranoid about it. I have to start making some changes. I will start today. Thanks again.
 
Man I had a horrible morning this morning. Craving alcohol now. Anything to give the brain a jolt. To kill some of this anxiety and depression. Its crazy even when I smell cleaning products or hand sanitizer I get a little urge. I wonder why? I feel like crap and I will stop commenting on here because I feel like I am bringing people down. I do not want to relapse. I never even liked alcohol. Man somethings got to give.
 
I don't think your bringing anyone down at all. Given you seem to be driven to use the drugs to find relief from anxiety and depression I would not think of indulging until you have sorted the roots to these moods and emotions out or it could mean trouble.

What are you anxious about?

Why are you choosing to look at the world in a way that makes you depressed?

There must be a form of exercise you can do.. stationary bike?

Exercise 4 Health, Mental Health, and Addiction vs. I worked all that out
 
Trust me just keep what you have at stake in mind. Cut ties to friends that may lead you back. I've done it before I was literally going though hell from a past relationship. I can tell you one thing quitting was one of the best things I've ever done it saved my life for sure. I can honestly say I've had more fun without dope then with it.
 
Just realize it is pretty common for opiates users to switch to booze. I went back and forth and then both for awhile.
 
Hey guys,

I have not posted in a couple of weeks. I had a real good week and a half. Today was pretty crappy its always crappy. Hey NSA I do not understand man if I am an addict would not I have been just predisposed to this no matter what happened in my past? And if it is something from my past that is causing the thoughts what are ways to deal with it?
 
Man my friend was just found dead with a needle in his arm. That sucks. It seems like alot of my friends are dying. I hate addiction. Please everyone do whatever it takes.
 
You see I have an obsessive mind. I obsess over things. Now I obsess over relapse or I do not know if it is cravings or what.

Post three in this thread.. Addiction Guide

Your obsessing over use. Try writing down what use was actually like and then compare it to the fantasies that circle through your mind. I bet you will find they aren't really similar at all. if you do this start in the morning of a day when you were dependent, focus solely on how you felt the whole day through. Addiction fantasies spin glimpses or slivers of very inflated positive experiences from the drug use.
They are not accurate real memories of even that sliver in time. The utterly leave out feeling awful and miserable 95% the time from the use. If you can write an real account of how you feel the whole day when you were dependent and useing you will see that its Hell and no ware close to the crap the addiction is pushing on you. Once we have a real picture of what a day of use was really like then its kinda hard to fall for the nonsense lies it can board us with.

Its an attempt to motivate and convince you to decide to use and solve the problems needed to do do this. Think of it as a super TV commercial.. just like in the commercials everyone is smiling, the family is always good looking and happy like the won the lottery, the house is always spotless, the food from the restaurant is absolutely perfect.

That is not real life.. They are fantasy's created in an attempt to manipulate you into purchasing something. Same thing with the
fantasizing and obsessive thought over useing the drugs.. its commercial in your mind that intent is to manipulate you into useing.

But it isn't real life.. real life use of a drug we are addicted to is awful.


Hey NSA I do not understand man if I am an addict would not I have been just predisposed to this no matter what happened in my past? And if it is something from my past that is causing the thoughts what are ways to deal with it?

Certainly genetics have been clearly shown to play a significant part in addiction. I also do feel that in many cases an addict will find a way to become an addict. This is backed up to some degree buy relatively stagnant overall rates of addiction, for long periods of time despite changes in economic conditions, despite changes in law enforcement efforts and funding levels, even in places were drugs have been decriminalized (and this is one seemingly undeniable reason the utterly failed at helping anyone but law and prison workers pockets drug war has to go.)

Rates seem to stay stagnant as drug availability, variety, and tastes fluctuate greatly. Kinda seems like the people who are predisposed to be addicts just find something to be addicted to out of whats available at the time. I also think with the current spike in opiate addiction may raise these generally stagnant rates, but if this does happen then I think it may due to the fact that anyone can develop a strong physical dependence to opiates if taken for a long enough time. I also feal that people who are not addicts, but are physically dependent to opiates, will have behavior that mimics that of addicts but will have little trouble staying clean once they finally kick. But I'm wandering off topic here.

Even though this sounds kinda doomsday and could be taken that we are destined to suffer from this for life I don't feal this is the case at all. I think that its important to look at what being genetically prone to be an addict could be. Could it be that we have a fundamentalist difference in the reward pathway.. could be. But I think its much more likely that we as addicts have a genetically pass way of thinking and looking at the world that has been good at driving us to success in life. Humans are driven to do things for many individual reasons, but I feal they overwhelmingly fall into two main categorizes.

I think that the two huge categories that encompass why we ultimately are driven are to try and achieve positive results or pleasure and to avoid or try and relieve negative results or suffering. I think that we as addicts have a genetic linage and thus are personally driven by the need to try and escape suffering. When I talk about success in life I mean the ability to survive and reproduce and not the ability to find lasting happiness or peace.

We as addicts are often restless, rarely satisfied, anxious, perfectionists, grandiose thinking, independent, stubborn, people, who often question our own value and have a tendency to determine our value based of accomplishment, status, and wealth and thus are extra drive in these areas, people who can have a hard time ever having enough or accomplishing enough, who if we are able to stay clean or under control are likely to be quite successful and known to attempt and accomplish truely amazing feats in life. I belive we are often driven to this by the very feelings and emotions that often make us miserable. This powerful drive to try and find the elusive peace and happiness, the recognition we covet, to finally be able to feal good about ourselves and our lives, our "inability" to ever be satisfied, combines with our seemingly out of place optimism, stubbornness, ability and need to think for ourselves, and our balls, resulting in all the amazing accomplishments that we as addicts can achieve.

Just because we may be born with these traits does not mean we are stuck with them or need to develop coping skills for life. Its was a pretty amazing thing when i realized that we ultimately have control. Once a person is able to do this they start to transition out of their thinking being manipulated by emotion to instead determining their emotion with their thought .

Our experience in life is determined by our perception of it. Our perception is determined by our thoughts. We control our thoughts. So we control our experience in life.

By altering the way we choose to think we can change the way we are genetically predisposed to experience the world.

The problem comes in when we use a substance to try and alleviate the negative feelings and emotions that can drive us to such great success. Because just as these characteristics have the power to drive us to such heights in search of peace, they also have the power to drive us into hell and the grave when they combine with dangerous, addictive, tolerances creating substances.

I think its pretty well accepted that anyone can become addicted. It's just that we seem to have some strong underlying parts of our genetically transferred personality that make this almost assured once we seek relief in a substance. Since we seem to always be seeking relief in some manor I think its pretty hard to avoid taking this step at some time in our lives. The we usually use to the point of addiction, who's own symptoms end up enhancing and strengthening the very negative aspects we were useing them to try and avoid.

In the begging it was great right.. we felt this was the key to life.. but soon enough the brain tries to return to homeostasis.. so it makes the feelings and emotions we were trying to avoid much more powerful to try and compensate and over come the power of the drug. As this is going on we also have tolerance to the drug happening. So it ramps up the very thing we were seeking relief from and takes the power away from the relief we administer. We also get so "lucky" in that, since the brain is a interrelated system, we get the treat of physical dependence along with this with many drugs. The lets not forget the dopamine reward pathway and the addiction that we create by constantly and greatly stimulating this and ending up with a resultant drive to use our drug of choice. A drive as powerful as hunger or thirst, that presents itself like the sex drive.. we don't feal it all the time, but if that system recognizes an opportunity for us to use, then bam we are triggered. But also like the sex drive if we don't see any opportunities for a long time it will also begin to drive us to find some opportunities.


So what a mess rite.. We seem to have a genetic drive to success in life based of trying to escape suffering. This drives us to try a potentially deadly substance fro relief, which works well at first, but instead ends up making the whole situation worse as well now requiring us to take it twenty four seven or it will make the same miserable suffering we were trying to escape ten times as bad as well as making us feal like we got run over by a bus, while crossing a magical street where the weather is constantly fluctuating between to damn hot and to damn cold, while we are having a flare up of chronic fatigue, restless legs, and have come down with the flue. White the last little prize of acquiring a drive, akin to the almost irresistible drive we have to perform necessary functions in life, that is constantly scanning all the sensory input we receive for even the slightest opportunity to achieve this goal. Where on it will try and cause us to obsesses, crave, and fixate on getting that goal at all costs. If we avoid the opportunities, it will wispier sweet nothings about how if we get that goal we will feal like a God, it sends us vivid fantasies which it tries to play of as memories of amazing experiences associated with past use, it even tries to push our buttons in our sleep by bringing us as close as possible to use and then pulling the rug out from under our feat right at the last second, finding infinite and very creative ways for something to go wrong preventing any dream use.

The addiction controls your emotions and they are not to be trusted. to check then simply see if they lead to a desire to use. If they do then think the whole situation through again and see if its logical. Many times it will not be. A good example of an ilogical situation and emotion common to addicts and thus constituting addict thinking is when you see some one so guilt and shame strike when the examine some of interactions and their consequences that were done in active addiction. You often hear something like I can't belive I did that and look at all the awful things that resulted, im such an awful person, I don't deserve to or want to live, I'm a monster, I want to and need to use because I can't stand thinking about me, what i did, and the awful things that resulted. I deserve or need to, Im worthless so who cares, I'm a monster and deserve to be in addiction, etc etc.. if the end result is a desire, justification, rationalization to USE.. throw up a red flag and think it back through cause your getting played.

Many times but not always the situations they are talking about does not in any way shape or forum warrant anywhere near the level of emotional response it is getting. The argument can almost always be translated into I can belive or deal with all the damage I have done by hitting myself in the head with a hammer, so I need to, deserve to, and am going to go hit myself in the head with a hammer. If it ends in a desire, justification, excuse, reason, to use.. flag it and think it back through and identify the nonsense it tried to slip past you.

If we learn what addiction is and identify and can recognize the weapons it uses to try and manipulate us then we will no longer get played by it. ;)

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Hey guys,

I have not posted in a couple of weeks. I had a real good week and a half. Today was pretty crappy its always crappy. Hey NSA I do not understand man if I am an addict would not I have been just predisposed to this no matter what happened in my past? And if it is something from my past that is causing the thoughts what are ways to deal with it?

Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a three-piece suit on hire purchase in a range of fucking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pissing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourselves. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?



Just my opinion.
 
Thanks NSA for such an amazing post. You really go above and beyond to help. Thank you very much. A few things really stuck with me. Im going to break them down here.

Your obsessing over use. Try writing down what use was actually like and then compare it to the fantasies that circle through your mind. I bet you will find they aren't really similar at all. if you do this start in the morning of a day when you were dependent, focus solely on how you felt the whole day through. Addiction fantasies spin glimpses or slivers of very inflated positive experiences from the drug use.
They are not accurate real memories of even that sliver in time. The utterly leave out feeling awful and miserable 95% the time from the use. If you can write an real account of how you feel the whole day when you were dependent and useing you will see that its Hell and no ware close to the crap the addiction is pushing on you. Once we have a real picture of what a day of use was really like then its kinda hard to fall for the nonsense lies it can board us with.

On this I know what drug use does and how it destroys that I know. Where my mind always messes with me is it will say. " This is the day you will relapse what if you relapse tomorrow? How will you continue to fight this? You will run out of stregnth just like your counselor said you would. You are obsessing over drugs.. Oh shit you are a drug addict. You suck. You will relapse soon."

This is where I get frustrated and aggravated. I hate when my mind starts like this. My therapist says it is OCD more than cravings or addictive behavior. I mean this is been going on since last year this cycle of thoughts. I hate drugs and I never want to use again. I just do not want to think like this.

Certainly genetics have been clearly shown to play a significant part in addiction. I also do feel that in many cases an addict will find a way to become an addict. This is backed up to some degree buy relatively stagnant overall rates of addiction, for long periods of time despite changes in economic conditions, despite changes in law enforcement efforts and funding levels, even in places were drugs have been decriminalized (and this is one seemingly undeniable reason the utterly failed at helping anyone but law and prison workers pockets drug war has to go.)

Yes I have addiction on both sides of my family. My brother was never an addict but my mom and dad were. I have been addicted to my main drug. Unhealthy eating. This has been having by the balls since I have been 11. Around the time some emotional trauma had begun. SO I do not know what came first the chicken or the egg. I cannot remember. I still eat unhealthy and try to lose weight constantly. I also enjoy my fair share of porn. But I have tried cigarettes, gambling, online shopping, video games, alcohol, marijuana, xanax, and cocaine numerous times without ever becoming addicted. Although I could see cocaine becoming a problem. When I try to eat healthy I get the same uneasiness as I do when I quit OXYS its crazy.

I think that the two huge categories that encompass why we ultimately are driven are to try and achieve positive results or pleasure and to avoid or try and relieve negative results or suffering. I think that we as addicts have a genetic linage and thus are personally driven by the need to try and escape suffering. When I talk about success in life I mean the ability to survive and reproduce and not the ability to find lasting happiness or peace.


Such a good point. I hate suffering. I have been suffering and I have been suffering more than ever since I quit suboxone two years ago. Hands down the most suffering in my entire life. I often felt like I was dying. My chest was caving in it felt like. STill do some days. I agree that an addiction is determined by our reaction to suffering.

We as addicts are often restless, rarely satisfied, anxious, perfectionists, grandiose thinking, independent, stubborn, people, who often question our own value and have a tendency to determine our value based of accomplishment, status, and wealth and thus are extra drive in these areas, people who can have a hard time ever having enough or accomplishing enough, who if we are able to stay clean or under control are likely to be quite successful and known to attempt and accomplish truely amazing feats in life. I belive we are often driven to this by the very feelings and emotions that often make us miserable. This powerful drive to try and find the elusive peace and happiness, the recognition we covet, to finally be able to feal good about ourselves and our lives, our "inability" to ever be satisfied, combines with our seemingly out of place optimism, stubbornness, ability and need to think for ourselves, and our balls, resulting in all the amazing accomplishments that we as addicts can achieve.

You hit the nail on the head here. I am all of those things. I am trying to uncover my bigger purpose but I am stuck in a rut because of these obsessions and to find comfort I resort to food now instead of drugs. I go see a new therapist next week and hopefully we can work out a good plan to find my purpose and my true self that I know is inside of me.

Just because we may be born with these traits does not mean we are stuck with them or need to develop coping skills for life. Its was a pretty amazing thing when i realized that we ultimately have control. Once a person is able to do this they start to transition out of their thinking being manipulated by emotion to instead determining their emotion with their thought .

I wish I could determine my emotions with my own thought. It was drilled in my head in rehab that I am an addict that is the same as a guy selling himself for crack money because I was born with this chronic progressive disease. This made me real nervous and depresses when I heard this. Funny thing is only about 15% of my group in rehab is sober. These thoughts run through my head all damn day. Obsessions my addict uses I guess. But I am still winning. I will always be winning. Maybe CBT helps with this? Idk

The addiction controls your emotions and they are not to be trusted. to check then simply see if they lead to a desire to use. If they do then think the whole situation through again and see if its logical. Many times it will not be. A good example of an ilogical situation and emotion common to addicts and thus constituting addict thinking is when you see some one so guilt and shame strike when the examine some of interactions and their consequences that were done in active addiction. You often hear something like I can't belive I did that and look at all the awful things that resulted, im such an awful person, I don't deserve to or want to live, I'm a monster, I want to and need to use because I can't stand thinking about me, what i did, and the awful things that resulted. I deserve or need to, Im worthless so who cares, I'm a monster and deserve to be in addiction, etc etc.. if the end result is a desire, justification, rationalization to USE.. throw up a red flag and think it back through cause your getting played.

I do practice this. I have been since I got out of rehab 3 years ago. Whenever my brain starts with some garbage. I say do I really really want to use and the answer is always no. SO I will stay on the straight path. ITS just hard and my mind sucks at times. I really do not crave drugs personally, but my brain does. If that makes any sense. Thanks again NSA for your amazing post. Truly appreciated buddy. Please feel free to add some pointers or anything to my responses if you would like. Also I seen on one of your post about the author who wrote the book on how to change the brain yourself. I believe nueroplasticity is the term. Interesting stuff. Did you read the book? And was it helpful. ALso I have been reading some of Marc Lewis' work. I do not know if your familiar with him, but he has some good stuff. Thanks again and take care.




 
Hey Thanks for the nice compliments deuce:D

Usually when we wage the war of the argument in our heads about use.. the addiction says use and we have to come up with a never ending stream of reasons why not to use, which the addiction just chews on and spits out as justifications to use.

This can get really tiresome and can ware is down. I would flip the argument. Next time it says use, instead of coming up with a reason not to ask the addiction "why use?".. there is no answer to this. Make the addiction ware its own ass out for a change;)

Im sure you have heard the saying around addiction that says something like the addiction is always outside doing pushups and getting stronger. Well when we flip the argument we are the ones who start to get stronger and it starts to ware itself down and get weaker.

At first its reasons aren't that crazy.. but as the conversation keeps going and it keeps getting shut down, it can come up with some crazy off the wall shit that really makes no sense.. some of the insanity mine comes up with makes me laugh. The addicted part of the brain isn't quite capable of problem solving and original thought, so as it starts to get worn out it cant come up with new material, so it can get desperate and try utter nonsense.

So ask it why use.. listen to its nonsense and the counter with the cold hard fact that use makes us feal missreble, steals our soul, and makes us a slave. why use? and repeat. LOL.. your addictions not going to like the new rules:D
 
Heyy NSA I took your advice and when my addictive voice would pop up, which was a lot today, I would say why would that be a good idea? It went a little something like this:

AV:What if you went use or drink right now?
ME: Why would I want to do that? What would that achieve? it would just bring me more pain and sadness not resolve anything.
AV: Yeah but you are destined to be this way for the rest of your life. I just get worse and worse like your counselors said. You ahve no power over me and I will eventually break you. You were born to live with me and I am only getting worse.3
ME: OH fuck. Then I get nervous and get all anxious and depressed.
 
A major key to this is developing a undeniable foundation of thought that captures what useing a drug we are addicted really is like.

So just like it played the games and spit out our reality based answers as justifications to use, it seems to be doing the same thing here. So what you need to do is form a real picture of the misery of active addiction based on undeniable trueth.

So then after it replied

AV: Yeah but you are destined to be this way for the rest of your life. I just get worse and worse like your counselors said. You have no power over me and I will eventually break you. You were born to live with me and I am only getting worse.3

You could counter with the facts.. active addiction is hell and makes me feal terrible, steals my soul, and makes me a slave.. period. why use?

If you think of its manipulation the other way.. it would say use, and we would say no because of X, and then it would say but x does not matter because of this so we can use, and then we have to come up with something else..

Take a long hard look at what active addiction really is.. what is the twenty four seven break down of life in active addiction, how did you feal?

This is fact.. summarize the facts into a clean true statement.. use that statement to kill the argument over and over, why use.. well heres why use.. no here is reality, now why use.. well here is why use.. No, here is reality..

Goes that makes sense.. we have to come up with something so true it can't argue through it.. just look and see what active addiction is.. its hell.
 
Thanks for the literature. One thing that caught my eye and made me upset was this:

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Denial That Fosters False Hope for Future Use: My Drug of Choice is Still an Option![/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This denial part hangs on to the secret hope that you can use someday. It never truly gives up the addictive thinking. It sees sobriety as a temporary condition. It is caught in the false hope that you can go back to the addictive behavior. This denial rationalizes, ‘It will work for me in the future. I'm different now. I can use now that I've been away from it. I can handle it now. I'll just take one drink or hit. I refuse to give up my fantasies of using someday.'[/FONT]
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This maybe is why the inner con feels so strong. WHy I cant shake him is because I have an idea of drinking socially one day. ALcohol was never my problem, but I do want to be able to drink socially one day. Maybe this is why I cannot get my mind right. I guess I will be stuck like this if this is the truth because its sad to say but I don't see myself giving up that goal. I hope this is not true. But it may be. Addiction sucks and I am tired of this shit. Thank again though.[/FONT]
 
Yeah The above post may be why my inner addict still lingers around is because I want to be able to drink socially even though I never had a drinking problem. I do not see why. I do not want to go back into addictive behavior.
 
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