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My room mate is supertripping on DOC

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stumblestoprepeat

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and I just learned he set my goldfish "free" in a stream somewhere in town. It's still really cold out around here too, so I don't have much hope in my beloved Ergot surviving very long. :\

What would you do in this situation? I'm pretty sad, I mean wtf! Going to get a new fish tomorrow but gonna miss that old friend.. And I can't yell at my room mate yet as he's still tripping and that wouldn't be nice.
 
You simply wait until he is done tripping to bitch at him as you proceed to slap his face with a wet, slimy bass fish.
 
I remember when I had to deal with a friend way too spun out on DOC....he thought he was having a heart attack and was demanding I take him to the hospital.
 
it's a fish.... make him pay the cost of the fish and move on? come on... do people really get attached to fish?
 
I'm sure it made perfectly good sense to him at the time... But slapping him with a dead fish of some sort may make you feel better ;) Tilapia perhaps? I'd wait til he's done tripping though, kinda difficult to communicate otherwise.
 
Yeah, I'd try to be as compassionate and considerate as possible right now, but show him the consequences of his actions when the trip is over. Leave ample time since DOC is a long lasting one of course.

If you are familiar with the 'insanity defense', behavior while tripping could be subject to a temporary insanity defense but I will be the first to say that this is one of the most difficult things to judge. There are plenty of things you can do while tripping that are intentional actions and that you can complain about accordingly. But on a good number of drugs - mostly taken in excess, and including other drugs than psychedelics - you can really do things that you had no intention of doing. How do you judge that? I think if someone gets really fucked up and does something bad you can see if he was asking for it the way he/she got fucked up. If so you can complain about it not being an accident that this person got into a weird state. If not, that's tricky... could be interpreted as an accident. Depends on the situation.

Anyway, people are generally judged by their behavior anyway and of course whenever its fair they should be held accountable. But I am just trying to illustrate how that can be far from simple.

It's a good question up for debate and I'd like to hear other opinions. And other examples are also most welcome.
 
IMO, I think that people are fully responsible for any damage or whatever they cause while on drugs. I realize that some drugs severely warp reality and therefore the ability to make good judgements, but if someone can't handle a drug in a given setting, they shouldn't use the drug. If I get fucked up on drug X and shoot my neighbor's dog with a cross bow because I think I'm saving the world from the devil, that's completely my fault.
 
Agreed. But people don't always understand what they are getting into, and what may be just as important, they usually don't know that they don't understand what they are getting into. Some acts are just unforgivable, but others don't quite cross the line as much. When it involves friends who hurt my feelings in some way, I can choose not to take it very personally. It helps if there is a mutual understanding that some shit just flies when you are tripping and it is sufficient to say sorry afterwards. I mean, it would not be fair to expect everyone to fit in perfectly when high on a potent psychedelic. Otherwise that would disqualify a LOT of people.

So I guess like most of the time the line is drawn somewhere in the middle. I know shooting pets with a crossbow is certainly on one extreme end, and random minor details on the other. But some things are more difficult to determine and can give 50/50 divisions of opinion... which seems to be pretty much the reason why this thread is started.

I think what matters if someone behaves in a shitty way but not truly horrible is if they feel sorry about it afterwards. That is a perfect way to see if it was intended and if it was not you can instead of blaming the person, blame the use of the drug (NOT blame the drug itself mind you!). Then it's like: I don't like the consequences of you choosing to trip on DOC this time but since you did not choose exactly where it would bring you I forgive you for this incident. In this particular example with the goldfish, I would assume that it was not intended otherwise it would be a first-class asshole move on his part... but to me it would matter if he cares enough to apologize. It's not the ego-thing of having an apology in your pocket, it's the pure principle of whether a friend of mine cares about my feelings, wishes and private property or not.

It reminds me of a way to see how you feel about something if you seem to be ambivalent about it: flip a coin, then see if you are disappointed in the outcome or not. If you are or aren't then you know how you feel, if you still don't care just use the result of the coin flip. ;)
I wanna read the book 'the dice man', it definitely intrigues me.
 
killermunchies said:
IMO, I think that people are fully responsible for any damage or whatever they cause while on drugs. I realize that some drugs severely warp reality and therefore the ability to make good judgements, but if someone can't handle a drug in a given setting, they shouldn't use the drug. If I get fucked up on drug X and shoot my neighbor's dog with a cross bow because I think I'm saving the world from the devil, that's completely my fault.
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I totaly agree. You might not have done it on purpose, maybe you weren´t in control, and maybe you could´nt even remember doing it, what ever it was you did when you were blasted.

BUT!! still it was you who did it.

If it was anybodies fault, it was yours.

One should always take responsibility for the actions one take, even when not in control of one self.
 
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In this specific case, I would buy a huge slimy fish, and hide it in his bed. As a little surprise for when he finally gets tired and wants sleep. *snicker*
 
just talk to him after and tell him he did some thing wrong. Make him replace the fish and be done with it. Psychs fuck with your shit.
 
Agreed. But people don't always understand what they are getting into, and what may be just as important, they usually don't know that they don't understand what they are getting into. Some acts are just unforgivable, but others don't quite cross the line as much. When it involves friends who hurt my feelings in some way, I can choose not to take it very personally. It helps if there is a mutual understanding that some shit just flies when you are tripping and it is sufficient to say sorry afterwards. I mean, it would not be fair to expect everyone to fit in perfectly when high on a potent psychedelic. Otherwise that would disqualify a LOT of people.

So I guess like most of the time the line is drawn somewhere in the middle. I know shooting pets with a crossbow is certainly on one extreme end, and random minor details on the other. But some things are more difficult to determine and can give 50/50 divisions of opinion... which seems to be pretty much the reason why this thread is started.

I think what matters if someone behaves in a shitty way but not truly horrible is if they feel sorry about it afterwards. That is a perfect way to see if it was intended and if it was not you can instead of blaming the person, blame the use of the drug (NOT blame the drug itself mind you!). Then it's like: I don't like the consequences of you choosing to trip on DOC this time but since you did not choose exactly where it would bring you I forgive you for this incident.

It reminds me of a way to see how you feel about something if you seem to be ambivalent about it: flip a coin, then see if you are disappointed in the outcome or not. If you are or aren't then you know how you feel, if you still don't care just use the result of the coin flip.
I wanna read the book 'the dice man', it definitely intrigues me.
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I pretty much agree. Personally, I can and do forgive people who do dumb things while intoxicated that I know they wouldn't do normally. This seems to happen with alcohol more than anything else, at least in my own experience. I understand that drugs can greatly distort reality, so I'm pretty forgiving of it on a personal level. However, if someone does something dumb that results in physical harm or monetary loss, I expect them to take full responsibility for what they did. I might be more understanding about it, but that doesn't make anyone exempt. For example, if someone is drunk and breaks my window, I won't be too mad at them as long as they offer to pay for it in the morning. Accidents happen with drug usage and that's understandable but that's no excuse to deflect away responsibility. I think we're pretty much on the same page.

As for the thread, I would be kinda pissed if I was the OP. The fish is still gone regardless of the circumstances surrounding the incident. In hindsight, it probably wasn't a great idea for his roommate to trip on DOC in that setting. If the roommate offers to pay for a new fish and expresses some sort of remorse, then life goes on with a lesson learned. But if he starts defending what he did, then that would be a problem to me if I was in the OP's situation.
 
killermunchies said:
I pretty much agree. Personally, I can and do forgive people who do dumb things while intoxicated that I know they wouldn't do normally. This seems to happen with alcohol more than anything else, at least in my own experience. I understand that drugs can greatly distort reality, so I'm pretty forgiving of it on a personal level. However, if someone does something dumb that results in physical harm or monetary loss, I expect them to take full responsibility for what they did. I might be more understanding about it, but that doesn't make anyone exempt. For example, if someone is drunk and breaks my window, I won't be too mad at them as long as they offer to pay for it in the morning. Accidents happen with drug usage and that's understandable but that's no excuse to deflect away responsibility. I think we're pretty much on the same page.

As for the thread, I would be pissed if I was the OP. The fish is still gone regardless of the circumstances surrounding the incident. In hindsight, it probably wasn't a great idea for his roommate to trip on DOC in that setting. If the roommate offers to pay for a new fish and expresses some sort of remorse, then life goes on with a lesson learned. But if he starts defending what he did, then that would be a problem to me if I was in the OP's situation.
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AMEN, couldn´t have said it better myself, I totaly agree =D

killermunchies said:
This seems to happen with alcohol more than anything else, at least in my own experience.
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Mine too, I´ve done the most insane things while getting drunk while tripping.
A psychedelicly fueled alcohol black-out is a really dangerous thing. And the next days are always filled with the worst remorse ever.
 
Depends on the drug being used.

Alcohol is never an excuse. It's not hard to hold your shit together when drunk.

Neither are anabolics, even though they aren't recreational drugs. Aggression is there, but it's easily controlled.



If we're talking about a DPH/Datura delirium, then that may be a different story.
 
u mean a 99 cent goldfish like u get in the little bags of water?.... just buy some trout and raise it till it's nice and fat then eat that Bisssh and when u gut it leave the guts in his pillow...
 
That was my initial reaction, but then I thought: if a friend of mine would be honestly attached to a pet or even some inanimate object, regardless if it costs 99 cents or less, I would leave it alone.
I guess the reason to want to free animals when you are tripping would probably the feeling that everything is connected, property is an illusion, we have no right to hold animals in captivity etc. I can relate to it a little, but think that having pets is not a severe ethical issue as long as there is no suffering. I even euthanized the fishes I had in my aquarium.

Anyway your personal opinion does not matter when it comes to social values and respecting a friend. Even with the best intentions of setting an animal free you violate the wishes and beliefs of a friend in this scenario. Also, I don't know where this goldfish was set free but if you do it in a random place it may actually mean a slow but certain death depending on the biotope. It would suck ass even more if that would be the case.
 
stumblestoprepeat said:
It's still really cold out around here too, so I don't have much hope in my beloved Ergot surviving very long. :\
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Fish are cold-blooded so either your fish died immediately from the sudden temperature drop, or will manage just fine (disregarding possible predators in his new environment of course).

What would you do in this situation?
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1. Confiscate his stash of DOC to prevent further mishap.
2. Demand payment for new fish and emotional damage incurred.
3. Get seriously pissed at your roommate for acting fucking stupid while tripping and disrespecting your property.
 
Just don't trip with him again. No need to make a fuss out of it. Let him trip alone in his own environment by himself.
 
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