My psychiatrist finds it odd that Rohypnol/Flunitrazepam makes sociable the next day

[vekkersc]

I have made a few posts regarding Flunitrazepam in the past, though I've been off benzos for about 7 months now, and have since switched to a different psychiatrist.

First off, I am a very reserved person, to the point where I will not utter a single word in social situations. Having lunch at work consists of listening to my colleague's conversations, as I feel incapable of contributing in any way. You may call me a sissy, arrogant, or pedantic for being this way, but I cannot help it. Social environments are a nightmare to me, as I have no idea how behave, what to do or say.

I mentioned my previous experience with Rohypnol to this new psychiatrist on my first visit with him. I told him how I used to feel very sociable, talkative and free of anxiety throughout the next day after taking Rohypnol to sleep the previous night. He told me that this is very strange, and that he cannot think of any physiological reason as to why Rohypnol would be causing this effect. I was rather baffled to hear this from him, since as far as I'm aware, benzos are well known for having anxiolytic effects.

He has decided we should do a two-week trial, having me take Rohypnol to sleep every other night, then report back to him the results. If I have a positive experience, which I obviously am, he said we would then try a drug similar to Rohypnol, but not as physically addictive and tolerance-building. As far as I'm aware, no such drug exists.

Is my psychiatrist correct at all in telling me that Rohypnol should not be causing me to be so upbeat and sociable the next day? Am I justified in thinking he may not be very well informed, for lack of a better word?

Thanks!

 

[hydroazuanacaine]

he's confused as to why a drug belonging to a class of many anti-anxiety medications is having an anti-anxiety effect? and you think no such drug exists that is similar to rohypnol but less addictive?

sounds like you are both being indirect. talk it out with him.

 

[laCster]

this^. drugs make people happy, fact....

 

[vekkersc]

Thanks a lot for your replies.

I may indeed be wrong about thinking no such drug exists, but I am a little more concerned with the fact that a professional psychiatrist has no idea why a benzo is having anti-anxiety effects on me. I find this a little disconcerting, but he could have a valid reason for thinking this, and I wanted to see if anyone here might know why he'd be so puzzled over it. My first reaction was to find a new doc, but I am no expert myself, so I chose to give him the benefit of doubt, taking into consideration your thoughts as well.

Thanks again.

 

[Mugz]

From the sounds of it to me, he is surprised that the effects from the dose you take at night are lasting into the next day, rather than being surprised you are getting the effects at all. Maybe he is confused about the half life of Flunitrazepam. Also with Flunitrazepam primarily being a hypnotic benzo he may be just a bit surprised that it is having such a good effect on your anxiety. When he says switching to a similar but less addictive drug he probably still means a benzo, but one with a longer half life like diazepam, also one that is primarily an anxiolytic will most likely be better suited for you.

 

[Tripman]

Bring on the clonazepam.

Your psychiatrist baffles me. Although prescribing flunitrazepam for anxiety alone isn't really done, which could be what he's thinking. Residual effects will hang around for rohypnols 26 hour half life so of course it will have anxiolytic properties over the next day.

 

[MartinFn]

You know what? You just remind me myself when i was 16-17 and i start taking rophynols. I know, people say that is an hypnotic benzo, but as far as myself (and a lot of my friends that used to take it), it had all the effects except fuckin sleeping..But i have to say, i never took one pill. i usually started at 3 2mg pills. I remember it ALWAYS gave me a lot of power,confidence and being so fuckin socialised, and i wasn't that kind of boy. Also, the next day, i usually was waking up with good feelings, and after a cup of coffee, i was in a very good feeling, enjoying the sun(when..), talking with people that i didn't know, and, as a matter of fact ,this kind of behaviour, gave me the famous of a really cool guy in my school, everybody fuckin knew me..BUT, there is always a but, there isn't a miracle-medicine, after some months of taking it, but in doses 6-30mg, esp. in high doses made me very aggresive and violence, i started getting the rumour of a "badboy", and i remember that rophynol made a lot of people steal, you know, it made them have no fear to steal smthng, and in my country, it had the rumour of a "steal" drug, except from a rape drug.. I was in the minority of "violence behaviour", the most people were taking a "steal-thief behaviour"..Of course, these symptoms didn't came after a normal dose, only in high doses..and of course, if you were making the very bad decision to have some beers with it...And finally, one day i woke up in a fuckin cop station, they took me to the court, and thanks to my age and "clean" criminal record, they left me fuckin free..Then my parents started to watch me, long story short, i cut it for some time, but after it i went to fuckin heroin..But fuck me, my story is not the point of your thread, (sorry for my long-talking), i think it's very-very normal that flunitrazepam makes you behaving this way, and the next morning too.. I just suggest you don't raise the doses..and of course, if you can, make some breaks and don't take it all the time.. As for a benzo with symptoms like rophy but more "light", i remember triazolam(halcium), made me feel in a similar way (but more"light").. And something else, today's Rophynol i think is a LOT more light than from the past, mg to mg.. I heard it from other people too..Sometimes i take it, 7mg is my "right" dose, more or less doesn't fit me, i get a nice warm sympathy feeling, but nothing like the past..And i guess it's better this way, i'm mot 17..Last thing, it always makes me having no shame for anything when i take it..i don't know if it's good or bad?)...Also, i'm not a Dr, but i speak from my experience with this drug..Wish you the best,mate..Good luck always...


MartinFn

 

[Tripman]

^^ Flunitrazepam is still flunitrazepam. mg for mg. I imagine what you are experiencing is an increased tolerance to benzodiazepines.

 

[vekkersc]

From the sounds of it to me, he is surprised that the effects from the dose you take at night are lasting into the next day, rather than being surprised you are getting the effects at all. Maybe he is confused about the half life of Flunitrazepam. Also with Flunitrazepam primarily being a hypnotic benzo he may be just a bit surprised that it is having such a good effect on your anxiety. When he says switching to a similar but less addictive drug he probably still means a benzo, but one with a longer half life like diazepam, also one that is primarily an anxiolytic will most likely be better suited for you.

That's the weird part about it. I made it clear to him that my very first percription of 1mg Rohypnol/night was as good as placebo. The lowest dose which got me to sleep and had anti-anxiety effects the next day was a 3mg at night, which escalated to 6mg over a period of about two months. Upon hearing that, he confessed that this is very unusual, which baffled me as well, especially coming from a psychiatrist. I am a little unsure of whether this doctor really knows his stuff.

Bring on the clonazepam.

Your psychiatrist baffles me. Although prescribing flunitrazepam for anxiety alone isn't really done, which could be what he's thinking. Residual effects will hang around for rohypnols 26 hour half life so of course it will have anxiolytic properties over the next day.

I will talk to him about clonazepam, although as with all benzos, I'm afraid I'll build tolerance and dependence. Rohypnol has been the only miracle drug that has made me feel truly normal and capable of understanding other people's desire to partake in social environments, which is something I am naturally incapable of grasping and rather repels me. Life without Rohypnol to me is simply miserable, as I cannot bond with other people, and am extremely reserved and awkward in social situations. I am not looking for a recreational high off benzos in any way whatsoever. I simply wish to experience first-hand how it is to be a normal, social person, and actually live that kind life, as everybody else does. After all, we are all supposedly social individuals. I have tried a whole range of anti depressants, such as Lexapro, Effexor, Prisqiq, Seroquel, Cymbalta, Mirtazapine and a few others, none of which even came remotely close to Rohypnol's effects.

I've run through three psychologists so far, none of which helped. Simply put, I am approaching my 30's and have literally wasted my entire childhood and teenage years in this state of utter unsociability. I am incapable of holding friendships, finding a girlfriends despite having been hit on by women quite a few times, and I don't mean to brag. I am feeling a little desperate, as time ticks away and I cannot feel like a normal person, understand other people's social tendencies and desires, etc, unless I am taking Rohypnol, which brings be back to the tolerance and dependence issues mentioned above. I feel kind of helpless, forever alone. Self-pity, indeed, but I do not know where to turn to.