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my one problem with psychedelics.

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so im going to be turning 18 soon and am ready to enter the world of psychedelics, im very very excited about trying acid, 2c--, shrooms, dmt, whatever and i have felt thats its very important to mentally prepare myself for doing any psychs, which is why i decided i would wait to turn 18 and give myself some time to think about it. i feel very ready other than one concept that bothers me. i am looking forward to learning and gaining insight into the world/universe/my life, BUT it bothers me that these feelings will be somewhat fake, and only a result of some drug i ingest, its the drug that i will be experiencing rather than 'opening my mind,' im not seeing anything for the truth, im seeing it how its NOT, im seeing it how the drug wants me to see it. this idea bothers me and im afraid that if im tripping ill realize that im just fogging my reality and wasting my time having experiences that arnt even true or real or relevant to anything at all. what are your thought on this? similar feelings? does it effect your trips? is this even true or am i somehow wrong? background info=i have plenty of experience with MDMA, nitrous, weed, and low dose DXM.
 
I think you're putting the psychedelic experience on a pedestal. By doing that you're probably setting yourself up for disappointment. I think you should go into psychedelics with an open attitude of 'hopefully this will be a fun and learning experience' and if it turns out to be more for you personally, than that's great. That way, at least, if it turns out for you to just be a fogging of your reality, you won't be disappointed.

My personal experience with psychedelics is that they don't offer some great truth. They are amazing experience. Some are amazing because they are fun and euphoric, others are amazing because they are delusional and strange, and others are interesting because they fog up my vision just enough that I can see my ceiling melting and my nitrous canister as a prosthetic arm while notice that I can't feel my head oh shit my body is ending at my neck.

Don't expect so much out of them. :)
 
I never really feel artificial things on psychedelics, I think of it at this substance it giving you this amazing mental (and often physical energy) that you can put to use how you want.

your synapses are firing like crazy- you're thinking in a unique way and seeing color where you didn't see it before. the drugs not creating any new thoughts, you're just peeking at another way of thinking and once you've peeked you wont forget.


The profundity (profoundness??) from psychedelics for me has not been the thoughts I have tripping, but my sober self thinking back on the trip and milling things over. Being sober isn't any more or less real than tripping on 20 hits of acid.

as a friend of mine says always go into a trip "looking to have a good time"

happy tripping!!
 
im seeing it how the drug wants me to see it.
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Drugs can't show you anything. You are the person who will make great discoveries about yourself and the world, not the drug. Drugs are only keys to open floodgates that normally stay shut.

Go with the flow. Don't Panic. And you will have a great, mind expanding time :)
 
ah ok i got it, that all makes sense, ive been reading too many erowid experiences ahah
 
I dont think that the way in which these thoughts are derived realy has much of an effect on how "real" they are... i think the real important thing is what you do as a response to this kind of thinking and if you make use of it or not in a way that positvely bennefits your life. if you realize that you could be doing some thing better with your life and you go out and accomplish it, what difference does it make 20 years later weather it was an endogenous chemical or an alien one that was used to create a thought?
 
Right then. So you want to expand your vision. You purchase binoculars.

You want insight in your life. So you purchase psychedelics.

It doesn't matter if they're real or not. What matters is how they change you.
 
Every psychedelic substance is different, some more paranoia, some more extreme introspection, some beautiful, some boring, some bring out great truth and revelation, some don't, some give insight and intelligence, some don't, some can have profound effects of diverse sorts, some don't. Any trip can bring any thing. There is no specific directive out there that you seem to be looking for.

Don't focus on what the effects will be. Ride the wave a then you can properly explain each different effect of each different substance.\
 
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Right then. So you want to expand your vision. You purchase binoculars.

You want insight in your life. So you purchase psychedelics.

It doesn't matter if they're real or not. What matters is how they change you.
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I agree with you on this. Just wanted to add one thing.

Not only what matters is how they change you, it mostly matters how you use your given insight and "Change" after the experience.
 
An experience can't be fake, it's an experience. You can chose to label it as real or unreal, but you still experience it. Some things once experienced can leave you changed forever.

I'll talk about MDMA as an example...That feeling of love for others, self-acceptance, connection. Is it real? I assure you that any emotions we feel without drugs can also be reduced to neurochemicals even if there is no pill or powder involved.

Perhaps a more relevant question is, what does it mean to be able to feel love for yourself? If you've lived a life of hating everything about yourself, and once on MDMA you are finally able to experience self-acceptance, then you just learned that it is possible to have the experience of self-acceptance. You can spend all the time you want analyzing it and whether or not it was "real" but the reality is that you have now experienced self-acceptance. And if it is ultimately your mind creating these experiences, then they should be accessible without any substance.

All experiences can change us whether they are from psychedelics or not. Used wisely psychedelics can teach us a lot, but I just don't feel that real/unreal is a helpful way of examining their effects.
 
Its the insights that you have that are important. The drug just makes your mind work differently and removes certain blocks that keep us seeing and thinking in habitual patterns.

If you have an insight about, for example, all consciousnesses being "brothers/sisters" or somehow connected and related across all individuals, places, and times, well then that's an idea that you have had and its meaning to you is what it is, regardless of how or why you ended up thinking it. And that is the kind of experience that can change you on a deep level. Not mere "Ooooh, look at the tracers and the pretty colors!" Yea, those are pretty but more or less artificial and meaningless. But that's not all that happens... your thought processes work differently... you may find you understand and feel things in a deeper and more complete way. And that's the part that is important.
 
And that is the kind of experience that can change you on a deep level.

To be honest I've never thought psychedelics change many people on a "deep" level. You only have to look at most people who took acid in the 60's - most of them were wankers and remained wankers after they'd taken LSD. Psychedelics are for a minority of people - most people won't get anything from taking them and certainly won't be changed in any way.

The psychedelic experience isn't just the drug - it's what you bring to it. The drug brings 50% and you bring the other 50%. A wanker can take all the LSD in the world and he'll still be a wanker.
 
The drug experiences are no where near your normal view of reality, nor are your thought process functioning in your usual manner. They create an alternate veiw of reality and a unique experience that can be over anaylized, but taken with a grain of salt, the different views of the world and your own existence, can create long lasting revelations that weren't the result of the drug communicating with you. These revelation are the result of using the knowledge you've already had with in yourself that was allowed to express it self an manner not experienced before.

Once again, the psychedelic experience needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but it truely can be an unforgettable experience that can change your life.
 
^ Ismene, you are profoundly incorrect. Your post is totally absurd.

1) How exactly did you manage to go back in time and meet "most of the people who took acid in the 60s" before and then after they took acid in order to pronounce that they were "wankers" (whatever the hell that is supposed to mean) both before and after?

2) What do you make of the study by MAPS that a large majority of people who were given a strong dose of Psilocybin said it gave them a life-changing spiritual experience?
 
In my honest opinion, drugs don't give you intelligence, happiness, or peace. No pill or blotter you ever buy will have smiles or world peace coming out of it. I see drugs as more of a catalyst that speeds up or "lowers the activation energy" of an epiphany that was already in you in the first place. Drugs, especially psychedelics, put the user in a different mind-state and thus in an alternate perspective allowing them to more easily 'realize' things they have not noticed before. It is up to the user to decide if the insight they gained during the experience is 'real' enough to integrate in their lives. In the end, it's like Legerity said, all our thought processes and revelations are reduced to neurochemical reactions whether it is drug induced or not. People should stop giving so much credit to the drugs and instead appreciate themselves for being able to go through such an experience.

LSD is a tool, but admittedly a rather beautiful tool in the rapidly growing world of tools. LSD has been a valuable tool for me when I have used it responsibly, while other times it had caused me complete disaster. In the end it is up to the user.
 
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i wouldn't say totally absurd. I know a lot of dicks who were into psychedelics & whatnot when i was in college. And just because someone has a profound spiritual experience doesn't necessarily mean they'll change.

As for the OP, I think you're looking at this from an erroneous viewpoint. Just because a state of consciousness is different from your normal waking state doesn't make it inferior, fake, etc. Yes there are chemicals altering your perception, however that is the normal process of perception, the only difference is the origin of the chemicals. And if you're using a man-made chemical, it technically also came from a brain ;).
 
You have no idea what you can learn about yourself. DMT will be one that doesn't disappoint... Seriously, there is a lot to learn from this one.... Its one of those that is worth trying more than once, mostly because the trips range from a spectacular swirling system of impossible geometry to something more like a bright white light before you realize you are in a calmer space with these entities that are generally kind of elfish.

LSD is wonderful. You can take it very far....

A lot of these experiences can be pretty productive. I think MDMA is worth a shot, myself and several others fell in love on MDMA, and are all still in long term relationships with same individuals.

Sitting in a hot tub rolling with a few good close friends. Its a bonding experience, everyone is just comfortable and open.

Psychedelic Shock,

LSD ended 4 years of depression in one night. I discovered so many reasons to love my own existence where i previously had seen none. Its been a couple years now, and i have been overall much happier...

I didn't go into the experience with that sort of expectation either, I ate the paper and my world exploded on 1.5 hits. I have never felt so much joy, it never happened to me after that, true ++++ state on the shulgin scale by the definition of it. There are no words to describe that kind of euphoria. But it was like an atom bomb of happy going off in my brain, it was irrational kind of happy that i never dreamed i was capable of feeling. And the aftereffects of seeing "the light" are still there today.
 
OP, the way you think and act is a function of the way your brain works. If you change the way your brain works you will change the way you think and act. There is no sense, however, in saying that the sober way is the ''true'' way and the drugged way is the ''false'' way. It is not so black and white.

You may find yourself thinking thoughts and having ''insights'' on psychedelics that you will later realize are totally absurd and false. However, psychedelics may also reveal to you that many thoughts and ''insights'' you have when you are sober are equally absurd and false.
 
OP, whatever experience you have on drugs comes from you. The experience is not imported from outside. The trigger (drug) is. But there are other triggers. Some people have reactions to big crowds, people of different races, music, etc.

Psychs will work to help you access parts of your brain you don't normally use while you're awake because they're being filtered out. Daily-life filters are there to help you sort through the world you share with society. They suppress thoughts that might pop up when you don't want to have them because you're busy making a living, going to school, meeting other responsibilites, etc.

Take the drug and remove those filters. And while they're off, you can see how a different, and perhaps even more authentic self views the world. Maybe you don't like part of the society you're in, or you find new ideas about how to live within it.

I've had vivid dreams with dialogue between me and another person in them that have left me wondering 'Who wrote that dialogue ? That was really good, and frankly, beyond me.' Well, that's impossible. I 'wrote' it. It came from my head, but I wasn't able to summon it in my conscious state. I view drugs the same way.
 
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