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My nanna can't tell an amphetamine from a methamphetamine!

^ In my experience it will smell of; from nothing, to a terrible "fishy" smell.
Sometimes the taste of the vapours will have that fishy taste to it as well.
And I have smelled methamphetamine powder that had that "dead ants" smell to it too.
 
Diacetylus said:
I have come across meth that ranged from yellow-to-pink-to-brown (yes, brown!). It's most definitely impurities that haven't been washed out properly, I doubt anyone would bother putting food dye in to make it more appealing, because quite simply... whenever a tweaker comes across something pink that's being sold off as speed, their initial reaction is going to be, "wtf!??!" and possibly not buy it.

Ive seen bright red speed and light grey gear before.
I was told by someone that in mexico some dealers put crushed chalk in their gear and claim that its stronger.
The bright red gear did look coloured, and it wasnt anything special.
Whenever i see or hear about coloured ampets i just think its a new sales pitch.

MY GEAR IS LIME GREEN IT MUST BE BETTER!
 
From Erowid. There are certainly other factors that may result in colour, although this short list outlines how some of these colours are produced.

Methamphetamine in its pure hydrochloride salt form is colorless. However, products on the market today are often not colorless. The following is a table of some common impurities and the colors associated with them. Note: There is no doubt a segment of the dealers who will add food coloring or some other such color to their drug to make it more appealing, with the philosophy that a brightly-colored product may sell better than an off color product. This is relatively uncommon however.

* RED: The product was made from pseudoephedrine, and the red coloring of the tablet was not adequately washed away (it is difficult)
* ORANGE: Ephedrine sulfate was used, and some of the sulfate was reduced to sulfur.
* PURPLE: Iodine from a phosphorus-iodine reaction was not washed out.
* GREEN: Copper (or other metallic) salts somehow made their way in to the mixture, probably due to the reaction vessel used in the manufacture.
* BROWN: Oxidized red coloring (see above), or tablating agent was present in the reduction.

From Methamphetamine FAQ
 
Biscuit said:
As I had hoped the this thread had established that virtually all illicit "speed" is methamphetamine, I'm curious to know how people can be sure they have had amphetamine rather than methamphetamine?

Excluding dexamphetamine in the form of dexies of course.

Have you had it lab tested?
Have you done an Extreme test?

IMO over the last few years somewhere between 95-99 out of 100 samples of speed have been methamphetamine. Amphetamine is virtually never found - this is in WA at least and Im guaranteeing you of this fact. And its based on more than the odd extreme result but that is all that will be said.

For the ordinary user however an Extreme result will prove it categorically one way or the other.

For those that can be positively sure they have amphetamine, I have no opinion on what is better or whether the two can be told apart. In 5 years I cannot be sure I have ever seen amphetamine except in the form of dexies. However since i have bought an Extreme tester I can be sure ive only ever seen methamphetamine.


Metabolites in the urine:
Drug tests will generally show methamphetamine and amphetamine after taking meth. This is because methamphetamine is partly metabolised to amphetamine before excretion.

Of course if the drug test showed amphetamine with no methamphetamine that would be a different story. And my first bet on that one is that the amphetamine came from dexamphetamine and not an illicit source. Otherwise perhaps ALL the methamphetamine was metabolised and only amphetamine remained to be detected. Not sure if that is possible but the evidence indicates to me that it is more likely than there being appreciable supplies of illcit amphetamine out on the street.

I was sure because 1stly, I was the 2nd/3rd hand, it went chef-mate-me. 2ndly I had a mate who had smoked meth every day for a year, and he had the same speed(d,l-amphetamine) with me on plenty of occasions and he never said it was meth. Also all people on meth pull the same facial expressions, they look slightly spaced out and there eyes buldge slightly, they are also physicaly calmer. People on speed look evil and walk like there all tense, do a search on limewire for "brothers little helper" it is a simpsons episode where bart goes on ADD meds, and he has an evil facial expression wich was the same as when my mates and I were on speed, it is completely difrent and more intense then the meth facials.
For infomational purposes, the base(gel form of this speed) smelt like fresh tomatoes and was white/clear.

Regarding baking soda, antacids: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=257390
 
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i'm not sure if I 100% follow but are you going to claim to be able to detect the dif between meth and amphetamine by the look on a user's face and on simpsons references? Please please please tell me this IS true
 
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Yes, I'm using that simpsons episode as an example so people could use it for reference in the case they had never seen anyone high on good speed(amphetamine), as it is fairly acurate, even though its a cartoon.

To furthur elaborate, difrent drugs produce difrent facials and 'tells' as everyone already knows, MDMA giving the smacked out look, stoned people with the red and tired eyes, etc.
I had used the speed(amphetamine) in question with mates a lot, and I have afew mates who I have seen high on meth a lot, and I can safely say the facials between a methamphetamine high and an amphetamine high are very distinct, although keep in mind, from what I have seen, if a person mixes alcohol with either drug it will be very hard to tell the difrence.
 
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Sorry but i have to agree with biscuit agree that virtually all speed in this country is just very low grade meth. it is the same shit just cut down to 10-20% purity. I think that is something that has been pretty well established long ago in this thread.
If you can differentiate between the look of someone who has consumed methamphetamine and amphetamine then you should surely be working in science. It is quite a skill since most people could not distinguish the effect between the 2 substances (unless have consumed as dexies). I'd say most can distinguish between someone munted on mdma and someone peaking from meth, its not tough but to lay your claims is a bit ambitious i think.

Anyone else here believe they get amphetamine as oposed to meth?
 
Whats the difrence with dexies(r u saying street chemists couldnt posibly take out the l-amph?), I dont understand why you would believe someone could tell the difrence between dexies and meth, but not good quality speed and meth.
Now I am saying good quality, I have had hell of a lot of crap stuff that had god knows what in it, and I haveto admit that I most probly cant tell the difrence between meth and bad speed, but good speed that makes you really focus and wanna work work work and clean the house and then drive around listening to trance music afterwards, as apose to stuff that just raises your heart rate and wakes you up is what I am talking about.
 
i think the general point of the thread is that speed in this country regardless of whether it is good or bad is methamphetamine. I meant they could differentiate with regards to dexies because they would probably have been consumed as a pharmacuetical. Obviously dexies are going to be a lot cleaner than anything a street chemist produces so I would imagine the effects could be differentiated.
 
I live in new south wales btw, and as hard as it might be to believe I can defenetly tell the difrence when someone is on meth or speed, when you know a person and you've seen them on both, I dont think its hard, you just haveto look at there eyes. And I strongly disagree that speed is usually just meth, I have never seen anyone snort a line and shown the signs of someone high on meth, and no1 has ever said "hang on this is meth not speed!". Infact once I was at a house and half the room was on speed and the other half was on meth, and you could easily tell who was on what, as the meth users wanted to stay there and the speed users wanted to go out, Meth might be sold as speed in other states and areas, but where I am from, crystal meth can be as much as $400 a gram and cut speed is usually $50 a gram, its just not worth anyone selling meth as speed, unless its just added as an adulterant.
 
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Thanks movbikwaet, I will have to warn my Nanna about that speed that has been adulterated with meth-amphetamine. If she got some of that stuff the look on her face might scare the kid's. I much prefer seeing Nanna with that familiar meth-amphetamine serene look that's for sure...

Seriously though, I recommend that you do a double blind study with reagent tested Meth-amphetamine and this "speed" you talk about to see if there is indeed two distinct facial expressions. I also suggest you do some research on set, setting and psychosomatic effects on drug experiences.
 
I haven't seen amphetamine for about 6 years now, not since i used to get base. but that was time consuming, expensive exercise.

Ever since then the only "speed" i've had/seen has been meth.

Perhaps i'm wrong here but a[art from the base the only method i've ever used to identify "meth" with is if the substance is a salt like crystal.

I remember prior to 2000 one could mainly get amphetamine (what i call speed).
 
I kind of get where movbikwaet is coming from. But I see a person on speed they look different to a person on Meth, who has smoked the meth. Where as if they EAT the meth, they look the same as the person on the speed.

If you're referring to the *powderish looking* finer than salt, it was Yellow the same as the Yellow Brick road in Alice in Wonderland ;) like a mix of the shade of these 2 smiley's- ;) %) , can't go wrong when you follow the Yellow brick road, I could obtain the gear right up until about mid>late 2005. Then that *chef* dried up, the new source came out with what I hear most people refer to as *cuda* or *gooey* Orangey Tinged/Yellowish gear. Now all I can get onto is Crystal Meth. Or the Pink Champagne, which from what I understand is cut Meth and from what I've been told it is manufactured by Bearded guys, but whether or not that's fact or fiction- I don't know.

SpecTBK=D
 
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Presume you've all seen this (came out in 2003 I think):

http://ndarc.med.unsw.edu.au/ndarcweb.nsf/page/Drug%20Trends.Bulletins.pdfs/$FILE/METH%20ID%20SHEET%202.pdf

It's all methamphetamine - speed, base, paste, ox blood, champagne, crystal, call it what you will - it's all methamphetamine :)
 
Nice work Ayjay... perfect examples there!

I think it's A4 or B3, I know that B3 is base, but it has little bits amongst the powder that closest resemble the Yellow brick road that I mentioned above. The yellow was the best Speed I have consumed, much better than any base or anything there. So for base to be alot more pure impov, well really i'm not sure as anyway... I suppose it depends on the cook!

SpecTBK=D
 
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i think that is the point i've been trying to make ayjay. Good work, you put it finely and accurately.

I think its the point this thread has been trying to make for a very long time now. I guess it shows how important education is and moreso how effective dealer's marketing departments are. Doesn't help when the media isn't able to differentiate either.
 
I finally found some information that I've been searching for regarding solubility of methamphetamine in water, namely the ideal meth to water ratio.

Methamphetamine is freely soluble in water (1gm: 2ml), in alcohol ( 1gm:3ml), in chloroform (1gm:5ml) and very slightly soluble in absolute ether.

That was taken from: http://www.inchem.org/documents/pims/pharm/pim334.htm

Can anyone provide further details as to whether the compound in question is more readily soluble in cold or hot water?

Ashley.
 
It will be more soluble in hot water. The only common things which don't follow that rule are calcium and magnesium salts such as those found in some tap waters. You might notice that these salts often precipitate around a hot tap or bath tub.

So, knowing that, you need to be aware that if you saturate a solution with meth on a warm or hot day, you may get substantial amounts crystallising out of solution on a cold day/ night.
 
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