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My Most Important And Profound Discovery... EVER

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...thanks to my girlfriend, and 170mg of 5-meo-dalt (orally) -- I have since BINNED, dumped out, into eradication and forever no more, 10g of ethylphenidate. I'm thankful for the insight. I'm still under the influence. But I'm going to eat some fajitas. And my GOOD DEAR friends, who I love, I hope you find the reason to stop.
 
Yeah OP you're an example of why not to use drugs or research chemicals. There's a mega thread about the RCs you've taken in other drugs. Have fun being a guinea pig! ;)
 
Yeah OP you're an example of why not to use drugs or research chemicals. There's a mega thread about the RCs you've taken in other drugs. Have fun being a guinea pig! ;)

I dont quite follow you.

Hes had a revelation, I guess about an EPH problem that has arisen in his life, and hes decided to get rid of it and stop using.. Obviously I dont think anyone should go using an RC with the intention of getting off another RC, but why do you say that? Because he (perhaps) happened to catch an addiction to eph? Because hes a person with an addictive personality?
 
Yeah OP you're an example of why not to use drugs or research chemicals. There's a mega thread about the RCs you've taken in other drugs. Have fun being a guinea pig! ;)

Ridiculous hyperbole much? Even if one accepts the idea that because a chemical is addictive and some people have bad negative reactions to that potential the chemical should thus never be used, or should be banned, or un-discovered / should never have existed, which is a notion in and of itself that I dispute dispute being a heroin addict myself, that doesn't mean that any other drugs – RCs or otherwise – need also be lumped with the addictive culprit and tossed in the shithole.

In other words, just because he had a bad experience with ethylphenidate doesn't mean that other people shouldn't try it or that it should be banned or that it's evil. Furthermore it does not mean that stimulant RCs – let alone the absurdity of ALL such research chemicals – also should not be tried / are evil / should be banned / etc. why would you make such a gross generalization?

I expect you've bad a bad experience with an RC and concluded illogically that thus all RCs are bad. This notion is nonsense, 'research chemicals' as a category – a category of dubious nature since how you determine what is and isn't an RC is ambiguous – contain drugs from stimulant, dissociative, psychedelic, depressant, and even opiate classes. How can some inference from one drug be applied to any of its fellow class of drugs, stimulants in this case? Hell, how can that inference possibly be extended to ALL research chemicals for that matter?

Cocaine is probably equally if not more addictive, but it's not an RC, so is it equally dangerous or bad? For that matter, at what point does an RC simply become just another drug? Ie, how many people have to use a drug like MDMA or LSD that was sold as a research chemical before it stops being a mysterious research chemical (where you're apparently a guinea pig or lab rat if you take it) and starts being just another member of 'drugs in general'?

Basically what I'm getting at is the question of whether you can or cannot provide even a single iota of logical support for your position. Or are you just trolling, like you accused the dudes in the dirty acid thread of trolling? I'd love to hear your honest explanation of this totally out of whack statement.
 
Developing a dependency to stimulants is nothing new for me. Neither is experiencing to extremes, for that matter--definitely to the point of recklessness.

If I wasn't counting on selling my herb to supplement my income (which unfortunately is not what it needs to be to pay all of the bills right now), I'd have dumped that, too. I had just used the remainder of my 5-MEO-DALT, and all I had left (besides the before-mentioned marijuana) were the two bags of ethylphenidate.

I'd like to put the tobacco down, too. I'm definitely stopping my alcohol abuse.

There's too much for me to be doing right now, to not simply do it. I've been long thinking that I needed to give up Bluelight. Bluelight is to me what Facebook is to a lot of my friends. lol

I've been getting high in all kinds of ways. Hundreds of 16 oz cans of beer a month, morning glory seeds, AL-LAD, marijuana, 5-MEO-DALT, Ethylphenidate, DXM... the spiral "exposed in voyeuristic color, the public act" so to speak. Days without sleep, and then sometimes days without waking. Poor nutrition. Owning a business and the stresses that sometimes go with it aren't easily managed while dealing with all kinds of chemical addictions.

I'd quit benzos a few months ago, after consistent blackouts--that just HAD to stop. And yesterday, when I experienced the strongest 5-MEO-DALT effects I've ever known -- I realized I'd come to the point where I was just going to push my chemical use to the point of OD every time. Why?

Because, I truly do have an addictive nature. I like to feel good. I enjoy the culture of experience and fun, which is what most of us Bluelighters like about it all. But I have to make a strong, disciplined healthy way forward, for myself, for my kids. I mean, shit, my fucking sides hurt so bad in the mornings, like my organs are just so tired of processing all this shit. 150mg a day of ethylphenidate dissolving the lining of my stomach, making my heart pound at 100 bpm all day long, drinking 40 oz of beer at a time before getting in front of people. Smoking cigarettes every ten minutes of the day. Ahhhhh!

Interestingly, the 170mg (OD level) of 5-MEO-DALT I ingested really took me on a trip, quickly, and powerfully. Reminded me a lot of the morning glory seeds and AL-LAD, but I was on a roller-coaster ride straight to bad trip city. And my heart was so jacked up... I called my girlfriend. I told her all about it, about everything. Invited her over. Needed her to come over. To basically soothe me, keep me calm. Help me ride out this trip. And she did, and the catharsis of having made the decision to quit, and the relief that came with unloading it all to someone who cares, lifted me from the bowels of a hell-trip and turned it into something just as valuable and edifying as any other deep lessons learned during a deep psych experience.

So the decision has been made.

I haven't even had a cigarette yet this morning. But I've only been up for an hour and 15 minutes. Drinking coffee. (That I'll likely never quit.) Sober living sounds good. Getting healthy sounds good. I'll live vicariously through the trip reports of others, and expand my family to sober living and getting right. And especially on moving away from dependency and addiction.

I quit a rough methamphetamine addiction over ten years ago. I was in the middle of it, with a tremendous supply. I was putting as much up my nose as I was down my throat, up my ass, and in my veins. I quit that. Seems harder to do now that I'm in my forties, with some of these new chemicals. It's that chemical romance. Even if I make it a month. That's a month I got back! Even if I do smoke some herb in the future, or have a beer or two, or eventually eat some mushrooms or satisfy my inner psychedelic junkie -- my number 1 priority with all of this is to NEVER touch the uppers again. They aren't my friend in any way.

Thanks!
 
Shit, it's a lot to stop right off the bat.

It's hard to get off my ass and get to work. I've got things to do, but I feel like I can't even make the bed. Hell with that attitude, right? How about I just get up and do it??

Maybe some music will help get me going? Without stims, it's just that I feel so unmotivated. So tired.
 
^^ Keep it up bro! I can't fuckin' describe the smile it brings to my face everytime I read or hear about someone who makes a decision like this! I sincerely hope you don't give in to the craving, stay strong man! The lack of energy without stims will pass and you will be SO happy to be able to function without them when it does! Don't push yourself too hard too fast, but keep taking steps and bumping it up a notch ya know. Exercise is one of the best things for you right now, maybe give it a shot? Good luck bro. I really am so happy for you. :)
 
^^ Keep it up bro! I can't fuckin' describe the smile it brings to my face everytime I read or hear about someone who makes a decision like this! I sincerely hope you don't give in to the craving, stay strong man! The lack of energy without stims will pass and you will be SO happy to be able to function without them when it does! Don't push yourself too hard too fast, but keep taking steps and bumping it up a notch ya know. Exercise is one of the best things for you right now, maybe give it a shot? Good luck bro. I really am so happy for you. :)

Damn right! You made my day with this post. Thanks!

Got off my butt and to a job I'd been putting off for too long.

Got it done, too. :)

I'm having my second cigarette of the day in a minute. I did not go and pick up beer on the way home. I will not be purchasing more stims. Exercise, yes!

Bed's still not made, though. lol
 
^^ Hell Yeah! That's so amazing! It's incredible how satisfying it can be to get shit done while your sober! I am SO damn happy for you! :) :) =D :) :)

You're doing so well.. That's awesome. Congrats on not picking up a beer either. I know for me while alcohol was never my main issue, it WILL lead me to use drugs.. No question about that in my mind.

Seriously keep it up. :D
 
I know for me while alcohol was never my main issue, it WILL lead me to use drugs.. No question about that in my mind.

So true. It probably is my main issue on top of it, even though I don't feel like it is, and that it is the stimulants.

You are a fantastically and unusually positive person. It is so unreal, but it feels good!
 
^^ Thanks..

I'm not good with compliments... Something I'm working on in my recovery right now haha. I appreciate it though. Nothing makes me happier than helping people and seeing them do well! :)

I'm going back to school this semester, most likely going to go for becoming a Substance Abuse Counselor.
 
^^ Thanks..

I'm not good with compliments... Something I'm working on in my recovery right now haha. I appreciate it though. Nothing makes me happier than helping people and seeing them do well! :)

I'm going back to school this semester, most likely going to go for becoming a Substance Abuse Counselor.

Great! You're doing it now, right here. Thanks!
 
Good onya OP. I flushed a whole heap of fentanyl recently - sometimes you need an act that like that to get the ball rolling. Good job for skipping on the beer - I didn't do such a good job last night lol, todays a new day though! It's inspiring to see determination like this. Hope the next few days are smooth as possible for you!
 
Good onya OP. I flushed a whole heap of fentanyl recently - sometimes you need an act that like that to get the ball rolling. Good job for skipping on the beer - I didn't do such a good job last night lol, todays a new day though! It's inspiring to see determination like this. Hope the next few days are smooth as possible for you!

Thanks, BBG. Improvement!
 
No doubt.

I'm a compulsive user. I push the dose to ridiculous extremes. For anything and everything, eventually. That's one of the reasons I'm quitting it all. But yes: there are absolutely more addicting chemicals.
 
good work OP; ethylphenidate is a terrible stim, i can't imagine having 10g of it around, i wouldn't stop until it was all gone. Once had to flush 2 grams because it was having such a negative impact on my life. Finished off a gram in 3 nights last week and still see blood when i blow my nose, terrible terrible stuff, hope i never touch it again.

EPH is up there as being one of the most addictive RCs i have touched, despite it consistently destroying my life, i'll still keep snorting it/vaping it if i have any around at all. I have no sense of control with it, no matter what limits i set. And i say that being a former opiate addict and still amp/etizolam addict.
 
I think that getting a handle on addiction and abuse has to be a two pronged approach: 1) understanding yourself and 2) understanding substances and what they do for you. You seem to be doing both of these and I think it is going to take you where you want to go. Understanding yourself means confronting self-destructive patterns but it also means recognizing real needs. You talk about the need to be stimulated ("I enjoy the culture of experience and fun") and that is a really healthy part of your personality so learning new ways to amp up experience without drugs is a worthy pursuit. I'm thinking of hobbies or sports that challenge you and get your adrenaline going like rock climbing or surfing (don't know where you live, so maybe mountain biking?).

I remember a probation officer once challenging my son about having an "addictive personality"--he told my son there was no evidence that such a thing existed. My son said, "Really? Well, if you want some evidence then just spend 10 minutes inside my brain." Learning to deal with compulsions and the need to do more and more can be effectively treated with CBT and mindfulness techniques. Compulsion tells us that when something felt good it will feel even better when we have more. Mindfulness can bring us back to the present: "I feel good now". Learning to slow down and rest in a feeling is a great practice.
 
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