My mom won't trust me

Addyman

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I have no idea if there is a point to this thread I'm typing.

I got caught at the beginning of July... I LEFT MY PILLS ON THE COUNTER (bout 80-120mg Klonopin and 30mg Oxycodone)

It has been 2 1/2 months, and I get accused of doing drugs like 2 times a week (when ironically, I am, but the times she calls me out I'm not, lol)

I'm not even allowed to hold my own Adderall

Kind of weird the rest of the family is on my side... they think I should be in charge of my meds...

I also think it is kind of weird, the reason I even do drugs is for the Anxiolytic properties most give me (opiates do it, adderall in high doses does it, benzos)

If I was in charge of my Adderall, I would stick to that, and Klonopin

But, it isn't like I could plead my case like that...

Edit: Kind of weird, when you tell yourself something... like "I deserve to have my meds, I don't abuse drugs"... you believe you don't abuse drugs when it comes down to THAT SINGLE MATTER... yet, 100% of the other time... you know you abuse them
 
i feel you its always frustrating when other people get involved in things that you consider to be none of there business. I dont know how old you are but these things tend to get better as you get older. Without knowing you and your family its hard for me to give much advice other then maybe trying to see it from her perspective which im guessing is she either doesnt want you to die or doesnt want you to get high and the 2 are probably intertwined in her head. I dunno man I guess you should try to keep your business more private or move out if its possible.
 
I don't really understand this thread. Is the OP saying essentially "I abuse drugs, and my family knows this, and this is inconvenient"?

Using oxycodone and adderall for anxiety is totally illegitimate and going to land you in shit. You're clearly young and have the benefit of a concerned family. You should listen to them.
 
I don't really understand this thread. Is the OP saying essentially "I abuse drugs, and my family knows this, and this is inconvenient"?

Using oxycodone and adderall for anxiety is totally illegitimate and going to land you in shit. You're clearly young and have the benefit of a concerned family. You should listen to them.

Only when I have no access to benzos :3
 
Have you tried explaining to your mom why you use those different drugs?

She doesn't know what I use, and she actually always retracts her accusations.

Either way, I tried to tell her what anxiety is... and my dad told me the reason they broke up was because she's close-minded when it comes to anxiety

Makes perfect sense, since I was getting yelled at for weeks after getting diagnosed with Anxiety
 
i feel you its always frustrating when other people get involved in things that you consider to be none of there business.
The extent to which I agree with this comment depends on the age of the OP.

Addyman, are you still of the age where your parents are your legal guardians? (i.e. are you under 18?)
If so, your medical welfare and history is still considered your mother's business in the eyes of the law, plus you still live in her house. So she kinda has a right to be concerned about your welfare and to question you when she finds pills in her house. If you're still underage then my advice is to just put up with your current situation, and be more discrete and more careful where you put your pills so she can't stumble across them.

However if you are over 18, even though your mum still has a right to be concerned about you, she can't really be holding your pills for you or anything like that. If she's hassling you about your anxiety (and possibly making your anxiety worse from stress), perhaps it's time to think about moving out in to your own place?

After saying all of that though, seussmayr has a really good point....why are you self-medicating with these drugs for anxiety?? You mentioned that you've been diagnosed with anxiety, what did the doctor prescribe you then?? Just the klonopin? Who has prescribed you the adderall? Adderall can make anxiety WORSE so if you're suffering with anxiety you shouldn't even be taking any adderall at all, let alone in high doses.

Sometimes the answer to our problems is LESS drugs, not more. Stop taking the adderall and see if your anxiety improves. You might find that you no longer need to self-medicate with oxy anyway.

If your mum is still resistant to the idea of anxiety being a real problem, why not take her to the doctor with you, and have the doctor explain to HER about anxiety, and why you need the klonopin for it.
 
The extent to which I agree with this comment depends on the age of the OP.

Addyman, are you still of the age where your parents are your legal guardians? (i.e. are you under 18?)
If so, your medical welfare and history is still considered your mother's business in the eyes of the law, plus you still live in her house. So she kinda has a right to be concerned about your welfare and to question you when she finds pills in her house. If you're still underage then my advice is to just put up with your current situation, and be more discrete and more careful where you put your pills so she can't stumble across them.

However if you are over 18, even though your mum still has a right to be concerned about you, she can't really be holding your pills for you or anything like that. If she's hassling you about your anxiety (and possibly making your anxiety worse from stress), perhaps it's time to think about moving out in to your own place?

After saying all of that though, seussmayr has a really good point....why are you self-medicating with these drugs for anxiety?? You mentioned that you've been diagnosed with anxiety, what did the doctor prescribe you then?? Just the klonopin? Who has prescribed you the adderall? Adderall can make anxiety WORSE so if you're suffering with anxiety you shouldn't even be taking any adderall at all, let alone in high doses.

Sometimes the answer to our problems is LESS drugs, not more. Stop taking the adderall and see if your anxiety improves. You might find that you no longer need to self-medicate with oxy anyway.

If your mum is still resistant to the idea of anxiety being a real problem, why not take her to the doctor with you, and have the doctor explain to HER about anxiety, and why you need the klonopin for it.

I would have gotten Klonopin prescribed, if my mom wouldn't have limited me to 1 med...

Adderall doesn't increase my Anxiety at all. Ritalin/Concerta/Focalin does. The reason I take adderall is because it is the only stimulant (along with vyvanse/dexedrine) that doesn't give me anxiety.

I've taken her to the Psychiatrist with me to get him to explain to her my Anxiety disorder

She still doesn't get the idea

I believe she has a problem seeing any idea of "imperfection" in her only son.
 
My parents are extremely Christian, to the point of basically not speaking to anyone unless they're also Christian.

One day my mom speculated me doing drugs. I had never given her a reason to suspect I did them. It may have been conceived by my knowledge of chemistry and pharmaceuticals.

Long story short, the only way I managed to break the accusations was by proving to her that I was still the same person.

There was no way I could show her that my 'supplementation' was done by caution... Because in her eyes I'm still her baby and I'm playing with dangerous toys.
 
It won't happen to me!

OP: I wrapped my reply in NSFW tags so I didn't pollute your entire thread with post, but I really wanted to go in to detail about my use of opiates and benzos as a cure for anxiety. You'll probably just say tl;dr and move on, but I really want you to read it because what you say in your post is almost word for word the reason I started using opiates. The first few paragraphs are some tips for dealing with your situation which will be really helpful, and the last few are the story of what happened to me using benzos, opiates, and alcohol to self medicate. My mom was always accusing me of stuff when I was younger too. Like you said, it's my medicine, and I need it to function. Even though I was high almost every day, she still shouldn't accuse me unless she has proof. I mean shit, I live in American, the burden of proof rests on the prosecution, I'm innocent until proven guilty goddamn it. I'm not a junkie, I'm just taking my medication, that shit won't happen to me. I'm not even doing it to get high, I just take a little every now and then because I have an inbalance in my brain that makes it impossible for me to feel perfect every waking minute like everybody else, and when I take some oxy and a few xanny bars I feel really good. It's obviously working!

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I'd say first and foremost, you should bring up these issues to your doctor and see what kind of services he can offer. Your anxiety could very well be something that is brought on by the stimulant effects of the Adderal and the are medications they can use to control this. Maybe you might need to try a different ADD medication that won't have so many negative side effects. If the anxiety is something that exists even when you don't take the Adderal, it is still something you need to talk to your doctor about. There might not be much he can do to help, but he can refer you to a psychiatrist or maybe even some counseling which could help you deal with your anxiety. A lot of people say you shouldn't tell your doctor about any self-medicating you do because they will be wary of prescribing abusable medications, but I think honesty is important here for them to treat you condition to the best of their ability. I'm not on Bluelight because I'm some anti-drug square, quite the opposite, I'm all for responsible recreational use, but self-medicating is a different ballgame and the medications you are choosing are not the way to do it. Benzos and opiates are meant to be a short term band-aid, using them long term is almost always a bad idea. Opiates are the absolute worst way of dealing with anxiety, as many an addict will tell you. Benzos are meant for short term relief of severe anxiety and/or panic attacks. Pick out a few posts about benzodiazepine dependence in TDS and find out how well benzos are for dealing with general anxiety in the long term. It's hard to see how using opiates or benzos to deal with anxiety a couple times a week could turn out to be a living hell for you in the future, but you keep applying these band-aids and once they wear off the anxiety is back and sometimes it's even worse. Circumstances could change and next thing you know you're treating your anxiety with these drugs every day. Next thing you know, your life is a million times worse than you could ever imagine.

Except in extreme cases, anxiety is something you need to learn how to deal with on your own. If you can't, there are plenty of resources out there to help you from web pages to counselors. A psychiatrist can determine whether you need to be medicated, and they can prescribe various medications that can actually help you rather than just making the situation worse. You wouldn't operate on yourself, would you? Than why would you prescribe yourself medication. If you want to take some benzos or opiates on your day off to chill out and feel good or whatever, then have fun and get high, I'm no one to preach on that subject. Doing recreational drugs make you feel good, you're not curing your anxiety, you're getting high. Even if the doses are small, you're really just rationalizing your use.

Getting diagnosed by a doctor will at least make most parents realize that you actually have some sort of problem. Do what the doctor tells you and seek out some sort of therapy. The easy way out in life is death, there is no free lunch. It sound cliche, but it's true. Getting high to fix your anxiety is a quick fix, the easy way out, it will never cure you. Dealing with anxiety is hard, and there will be times you'll feel uncomfortable, but it's a hell of a lot better than kicking heroin or having seizures when you run out of benzos only to get detoxed and deal with a possible year or more of protracted withdrawal. Imagine how worried you mom will be then.

One you figure out how to deal with anxiety the right way, you can decide how you're going to deal with your recreational use of drugs. The best thing you could do is be completely honest, they can't accuse you of something that you just openly admitted to doing. Sometimes this isn't always practical, so you might have to do your best to hide your use, or stop using all together while living with your mother. Your mom isn't accusing you for no reason, you even stated yourself that her accusations aren't baseless. She's your mother and she can tell even when the slightest thing is different with you. She found the drugs, she has the suspicion in her mind now, so if your normally an anxious person and the next day you're all relaxed and good to go she knows exactly whats going on. She just wants the best for you and is worried for your safety, and she has every right to despite how unfair it might look to you now. I'm a recovering heroin addict and I wish every night I listened to my mother. I wish she sent me to military school or something. I would do anything to not have to go through this, but I thought I could cure my anxiety with opiates, and I paid dearly. They cured my insomnia, they cured my anxiety, I wasn't nervous talking to girls, I didn't choke when I tried to play guitar in front of a bunch of people, I was scared of nothing, I WAS FUCKING AWESOME. Now I'm a piece of shit, I tried to come off of suboxone so many times and failed, it's cost me so much. I'm 24 years old and my parents have to drive me out to go on a date because alcohol, benzos, and opiates cured my anxiety so well I didn't even give a fuck if I blacked out at the wheel and totaled my car. I cared so little I did it twice. I became so irresponsible I got two duis with in days of each other. They didn't give me my self-prescribed drug in jail. I went through my windshield and looked like I just stepped on a land mine, and because I was a junkie they didn't even give me a single vicodin despite my screams of pain and the bones sticking through my skin. I live in Wisconsin where a 1st DUI is only a traffic violation, that time I got lucky. Once I got out of the ER and got my own room in medical they gave me clonidine, loperamide, and IV ativan and the withdrawals we're bearable. Beautiful nurses my age came to change my sheets every time I pissed myself, some how I couldn't get their numbers. I was released in to "detox" and I sweated out 3 days of withdrawal with nothing but ice water because I couldn't be given suboxone until the ativan cleared my system. It was fucking hell watching the clock tick with no entertainment other than a bible and other withdrawing junkies and the mentally ill geriatrics that we shared the locked mental health ward with. Got out, loaded up on oxys and klonopin, got pulled over and arrested, this time I withdrew in jail waiting to see the judge. My parents let me sit for a week before posting bail, this happened last february and I'm still waiting to be sentenced. I'll be spending Christmas in County Jail in a living hell of withdrawal because I didn't listen to my mother. Years before all of this when I was 19 I hit a motorcycle and crippled a man. I didn't even sweat it, I didn't shed a tear for the man until I was in the hospital without my meds, goddamn did it hit me hard. Now I'm stable on suboxone, I'm all good right? I got fired from my job for showing up to work drunk, and I can't get hired for a new one because I have an open case. All I want is a job so I can pay my parents they money I owe them back, almost $20,000, and my parents ain't rich, they just wanted to give me a chance. And I lied and lied and lied, and I didn't even feel bad about it. Lately depression and anxiety have really been eating at me, I have no friends left, I was a junkie for years. All of those real friends I would never forget disappeared pretty quick once I stole from them for drugs. The ones I didn't steal from just saw a lost cause and gave up. When I was sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, around then, I was so good with the ladies. I bagged so many cute girls, its not even funny. I fell in love with a few, it eventually fell apart, but it was okay, everything was great. I was on opiates and benzos, everything was perfect. Now it's the same, but oh so different. I'm prescribed my opiates and benzos, get a dose of suboxone twice a day to keep the dopesick away, and a maintenance dose of klonopin so I don't go through a terrible withdrawal that I could possibly die from. The anxiety is worse than it ever was, my heart pounds as I lay in bed, I ask why and the answer is because the walls are closing in on me. 24 years old and nothing to show for it. The girls, yeah fuckin right. Last time I had a chance it was with a very haggard speed head that was 20 years old but looked 50. I was too anxious to make a move despite the fact that she was all over me and called me for weeks. All of my friends fucked her instead, but it's alright I'll just masturbate like I always do, but I don't even get the pleasure of busting a nut because my medications make it hard for me to even keep a boner, almost impossible to cum. If I do, it's pleasureless and sometimes painful, I don't even know why I try. Honestly, all I want is a hug and someone to talk to, maybe a kiss, but closed mouths, all of my teeth are rotten and all the listerine in the world can't help my breath. Once I get the money most of my teeth will be pulled and I'll have dentures at 30 if I'm lucky enough to get my shit together by then. It will be a nice reward to celebrate getting my license back, but I'll have to wait until 31 for that. Hopefully I can get a nice new one that I won't ruin just by sitting in it. I feel to shitty to change my clothes, sometimes I wear the same shit for a week. If I change that's usually when I shower, and if I do that sometimes I put on some nice clothes and deodorant, maybe a little cologne and I sit by my phone waiting for a friend to call or my girl to show up, oh wait, I just woke up I'm still a dirty junkie and you can't wash the smell of all that shit coming out of your body off. It's alright with me though, I can't smell in the first place, my nose is so fucked up from all the coke and pills I snorted before I started putting everything in to my vein and I can't even breath out of it. It's been clogged solid for years and no decongestant helps, doctor says it will clear up with time, years have past and it hasn't gotten any better. But time is a relative term, I've sat dope sick counting every second in every minute of every hour waiting for the dopeman, or even worse praying I would die so I could stop suffering. Maybe someday I will get all of my shit together, and I'll be able to face the world as a man. Wake up in the morning, kiss my wife, stare out the window taking in the world around me because I now care about someone other than myself before I go send the kids off school. A boring normal life, what I always said I never wanted is something I long for so much now. Sometimes when I'm out in public I watch other people going about their business and it blows my mind when I see someone picking flowers, buying a birdfeeder, holding hands, enjoying a meal, finding joy in something. I don't understand, it's foreign to me, all my cares are chemical, why do I give a fuck about the birds. I could fit in with those people, and maybe I will once I get out of jail. Maybe I'll get lucky and they won't look at my arms and see the scars.

Sorry everybody for the tl;dr post, and sorry OP if I came off as a bit of a preachy asshole. I don't know how old you are, but in terms of myself I could have wrote the exact same post at 16. My friends and my parents cared so much and tried to help, but I kept saying I'm not a junkie, I'm not using this shit to get high, I don't feel as good sober as I am when I'm high, I must have a natural opiate deficiency in my brain, my doctor keeps prescribing me these bunk ass pills that I can't get a buzz off of, and since I know everything I'm just going to diagnose myself and prescribe oxycodone, hydromorphone, and diacetylmorphine. I also need some valium or klonopin because the opiates really aren't doing it for the anxiety anymore, I'll prescribe some of those myself. It's just for my anxiety though, I'm going to need to shorter acting benzos like xanax to help me get to sleep at night with my insomnia. It's alright, I only take it as needed (daily). I get high every day, no not off the benzos and opiates, those are my medicine man, the liquor and the weed is for gettin high. Marijuana is from nature man, it's completely harmless, and shit this alcohol actual makes me feel pretty good, maybe I should start smoking and drinking when I take my dose in the morning to take the edge off. I just must not have the addiction gene, I smoke two packs a day, but I can quit anytime I want too. Addicted to drugs? No way the doctor prescribed those! What's your doctors name? DMFNR. I just took it all to feel normal, and it's pretty amazing what normal can become. I'm not sure what normal is, is it when I'm high as fuck burning holes in my parents couch, or it it when I'm dopesick, hot and cold, shaking like an alcoholic (it's my medicine remember, I'm not a drunk, duh), covered in sweat, completely dehydrated, hard to drink water because I have to pee every two minutes (no exaggeration) and water just makes it worse. I pretty much piss out of my ass too, in fact there isn't much difference between the two liquids. So restless, not a second of sleep, I try to sit still and relax, and heart starts pounding even harder (while dope sick my heart runs at 120 bpm resting, one time it got so bad I went to the ER, rate was 170+), it's alright I know I won't sleep well, so I bolt up, 30 seconds has passed since I laid down. I stop trying to fight it and all I can do is squirm, my whole body is filled with electicity, I look like I'm running a marathon in circles, and the blanket and sheets on my skin feel tiny needles. Two minutes pass, I need to pee again, I shit my pants trying and lay on the floor squirming and crying like a little baby. I get in the shower to wash off, on all fours crawling, the water feels so foreign, I get out, so cold. My whole body is tense and sore, my eyes are watering, my pupils look like I'm on acid, every third breath is a yawn, so tired, so sore, I just want to sleep, but I can't. I rotate between moving my legs like I'm running and stretching out as much as I can, I try to sit still and they all twitch automatically (get it man, I'm "kickin" the habit). If I'm not moving I'm filled with electric like I have to move, if I'm moving I'm so sore and tired I just want too sleep. I always feel like I need a cigarette so bad, but I'm so fucked up my taste isn't even right, and cigarettes taste downright nasty. I puke until my stomach is empty, and then I dry heave until my stomach comes up with some more acid to puke out. I contemplate suicide, but I'm just too fucking sick to be bothered. Wait, I got money, I'm too sick to kill myself and have been awake for days, yet I'm still motivated to get in my car and drive from my rural wisconsin home to the northside of milwaukee for some dope and a few stones. Dump the bags into my cooker (thank god I have one, no way I could operate a spoon in my condition), they mix well in to a dark amber solution, fuck, no cottons near by, to sick to deal with pulling apart a cig filter, fuck it, I draw it up. Heart is pounding, I'm sweating worse than ever, rig in my right hand, belt around my lift arm, a few veins are poppin, but I can't register. I'm getting sicker and sicker by the nanosecond, pedestrians are looking right at me when they walk past, I make eye contact with some, they all look the same. Nobody wants to help me find a good vein, the fuckers, they just want to gawk. Shoes off, fuck it my feet are pristine. They smell so terrible I gag, I open the door and puke some saltine crackers, after I'm done I look up and see a squad car turning on the block, crusing really slow. FUCK, I don't wanna go to jail sick. Poke, BLOOD, push, ahhhhhhhhhhhh. I sit back in my seat, my sweat is already starting to dry, the cop is parked in front of the house right next to me. I make no effort to conceal my shit before he comes to the car. He walks the other direction up the sidewalk to knock on the houses door, fucking lucky. But I don't feel like driving right now, I sit back and turn the stereo up, a few minutes pass, holy shit I got a couple rocks and a dimebag of herb, let's get high. I spend the rest of my night alone in my bedroom, smoking rock until I start to panic, take a shot to calm back down, got a 4 pack of Steel Reserve with the change in my car, that will cure the cottonmouth. Once the rocks are gone and the high has faded, I do one last shot saving a couple bags for the morning. Once the cocaine stimulation wears off I realize I am gone, all doped up and drunk. I sit, faded, the TV fades, on again, off again, on again, off. Rocking back and forth in the land of nod while the world spins around me, and some sort of ball of light radiates out from my chest, every breath is heaven, it's like my brains penis is getting a bj. A good warm wet one with no teeth. Finally at peace. 5 hours later I'm still in the same spot, cigarette burnt in to the carpet, beer spilled all over my crotch. Not sick, just anxious for that next hit. I take a few xanax and roll my dimebag, I never even manage to get the leaf out of the pack. Four more hours, (hey that's 8 hours of sleep man), I can't sleep no more. My eyes are already watery, I'm so hot and so cold, and the yawning is just starting, but I have a long day ahead of me tomarrow, I want to be well when I go get money and score, so I'm going to hold out for awhile on that shot. 45 minutes later it's in me, a new record. It's 5:30 am now, I stumble to the bathroom, no wait, I walk soooo fucking smoothly to the bathroom. as I rock back and fourth waiting for that first dribble to start the stream I hear sobbing downstairs. Goddamn it mom, why the fuck do you have to make me feel so bad, why do you think I'm a drug addict, maybe if you would treat me better I would be able to function without heroin. I lay down in my bed, looking at the TV, mind somewhere else, the promised land maybe. I hear my door creak open and see my moms face, I don't worry about the crackpipe and chore I have laying along with my pins out top of my amp in plain sight, she checks on me all night long to make sure I'm breathing, I just don't notice because I'm nodding. Or so she says, I know she doesn't REALLY care, if she did I wouldn't be an addict. We make eye contact for a moment, something inside me sinks, I start to tear up and I cry for hours. Noon rolls around, I go down stairs an unzip her purse in the kitchen right next to the room she's sitting in and take out $100 bill and a credit card. I'm just going over to a friends for a bit mom, see ya later. Alright hunny, drive safe, call if you need anything. I need something alright, but I think you got the wrong number. It's 6 PM and the story repeats itself, I see "home" on my vibrating phone. I hit ignore. Oh shit I don't feel good, what the fuck, my eyes bolt open and I see paramedics and sherriffs badges. My mom will finally be able to sleep tonight.

Again, I apoligize to the forum for the extremely large post, but when my past self posts a thread like this I need to warn him, I really do. He won't listen, there's a good chance in 10 years he'll be making this very post. Is a quick fix for your anxiety really worth your entire life.
 
OP: It is important to understand something like this from two completely different points of view. Yours, and your mom's. Imagine having a child, and then imagine finding their oxy out on the table. It's a very scary thing for a parent, and it breaches a huge gap in her trust for you. No matter your reason for using them, her viewpoint of it will never be the same as yours, and you won't change her opinion on this, no matter how hard you try. With some people, your best is never enough. First try talking to her, and I know full well how it is with parents when you want to "talk" with them about something (usually results in them finding everything wrong with me while I sit back and take their abuse without being able to say a word 8)) Anxiety is a tough thing to live with, and clearly she won't understand that. Right now you need to care about yourself, this will eventually end, but maybe for now go to the anxiety mega thread and look up some people's different methods of dealing with anxiety while not using drugs. The methods might not work for everybody, but who said it isn't worth a try? Good luck with your mom, I know how tough it can be. Anxiety Disorders MEGA Thread
 
^^ Do you have any thoughts on the advice people have offered you? They have taken a lot of time and effort to post advice for you...
 
^^ Do you have any thoughts on the advice people have offered you? They have taken a lot of time and effort to post advice for you...

Note to self

Stick to occasional use

Addiction's negatives outweigh the positives

As for the me v.s. my mom... I already knew her side of the story. It was more of an impulsive vent to post this.
 
^^ Cool :)
I wish you all the best with your anxiety and everything, let us know how you're going if things get worse.
 
What defines occasional
Say this is my schedule

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Takes around 6-8weeks to get rid of 8 doses
 
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Sorry mate but we don't allow discussion of specific doses of drugs here in The Dark Side because it can be triggering to others who are trying to abstain from drug use.

Occasional drug use, in my opinion, is usage that is not frequent enough to cause a tolerance or addiction. This differs from one person to the next but I would generally say that occasional use of a drug would be once every 2-3 months.
 
Holy shit, DMFNR I read that whole thing start to finish, couldn't look away.

Something about the way you write is really quite unique. The run-ons, different point of views, and use of humor really work together quite well.
I'm not just saying that either; minor in English from a top 30 university here.

Not to mention the content is a refreshing smack of reality.

Just fantastic, keep writing whenever you get the urge and SAVE EVERYTHING
 
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