Stimulants My meth experience and a question about these pains.

[Ksa]

Either Ksa is a troll or probably the biggest idiot giving out horrible, HORRIBLE information.

The guy posting is smoking methamphetamine, and your saying taking adderall has more side effects. Ever hear of addiction?? Choose your words man; adderall addiction is absolutely almost nonexistent compared to meth addiction. How do you know the meth he is (again) smoking is pure?? Do you do just desoxyn?? He said he got his meth off of a weed dealer; I really dont think that is the greatest source to just ASSUME he has 100% pure methamphetamine.

Literature or gtfo, moron. Oh, you got none.

And I don't count addiction as a side effect. We're on a drug form, can we get more obvious than that? Adderall will make your life 10x better when dosed right so after it does so, it's obvious you won't want to go back to your shit life. Common sense right?

And Adderall addiction is bad too. Grats, you know nothing. Guy wants to study and asked whats best substance to do so. Unless you got ADD, you don't take ADDerall to study, because you don't need an extra 25% kick in your pants. Normal people got that drive inside them naturally they don't need any pushing. They named it the same so idiots like you don't get it twisted, and still you get it wrong.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Adderall has more negative side effects than crystal meth, so meth, if assumed pure, is superior in every way to Adderall even for studying. Nothing to worry about there, if it's pure and you dose it right it's top shape.

There is absolutely no reason to assume it's pure - it's street meth - and they are also smoking it as opposed to taking it orally. And I assume they meant adverse health (and brain, life, etc) effects as well as just potential for immediate unwanted side effects while under the influence of the drug.

If it's my heart though, why is there pain on the left side of my chest?

The reason that I thought it wasn't heart-related was because the heart is located in the center of your chest, and the pain was in a region left and lower than the heart. One thread led me to believe it was lung-related.

The heart is not located in the center of the chest, it's located slightly to the left (the exact location varies a little from person to person and sometimes (rarely) it is actually even on the right side). Image:

Spoiler: Chest anatomy

However heart-related chest pain doesn't have to be in the precise location of the heart.

Ksa is not qualified to tell you that the only possible cause it that your "heart is fatigued" (or that you are having a panic attack) and that it's "nothing to worry about". However chest pains are pretty common with stimulants and is normally due to the increase of norepinephrine. This is like the fight-or-flight response, which can cause anxiety (which can easily cause chest pain), increase heart rate, increase blood pressure, constrict blood vessels, etc. Meth can cause angina, a term for a common type of chest pain caused by an inadequate supply of blood and oxygen to the heart. You can get "stable angina" (predictable patterns of discomfort) that occurs during exercise, periods of stress or when using certain drugs. This "stabile" angina is usually relieved by stopping the thing that causes it (in this case the meth) and resting. However, there are other potential causes for chest pain, for example pulmonary embolism (a blood clot in the lung), or pleurisy (swelling of the lining around the lung) can cause sharp chest pains that may feel worse when you take a deep breath or cough. Since you are smoking street drugs one can't rule out lung issues, but my best guess would be that it's more likely a temporary side effect of the meth's action in your body. Best solution is to stop the meth and get some sleep. I am assuming it isn't something more serious like a heart attack because that is much rarer and you weren't that concerned about it but I can't know that - if you are worried, the pain gets really bad or does not improve please seek medical attention.

 

[LonE1]

Literature or gtfo, moron. Oh, you got none.

And I don't count addiction as a side effect. We're on a drug form

Its actually a harm reduction "form".

How did you miss that in your last edit?? LOL

 

[Ksa]

Its actually a harm reduction "form".

How did you miss that in your last edit?? LOL

Cool story fag 8]

 

[Ksa]

@Swimmingdancer

I am not a doctor, my degrees are indicated on my avatar, and even if I was a doctor, without a real-life consultation/tests, no diagnosis can be given so the whole idea that I was trying to identify his problem is out of the question. What I was doing is give him the most probable scenario. What I said was based on:

- me having the exact same symptoms twice, in 2009 and 2010, going to the ER twice and twice having a normal ECG showing not a single irregularity.
- the advice of 2x ER doctors, of my medical doctor and my psychiatrist regarding my situation.
- testimonies and eye-witness accounts of forums like bluelight, addforums and others.
- extensive, 1,000+ hours online research on chest pain symptoms and their relation to known diseases.

You should have a rule to clear this ambiguity. No one is playing doctor here. Unless I give you a solubility figure of a compound that you can verify online, you should assume it's BS. I do that with every post of every member on bluelight, until I verify that it's genuine.

 

[MrSexypancake]

Hey guys, OP here.
Thanks for answering my post. I understand that things started to get vitriolic, but I did want to thank everyone for caring enough to try and help a fellow bluelighter.

Yeah, I remembered that the heart was slightly to the left, I just felt like this pain was further left than would be considered normal. I guess I though it was a Lung thing, because a similar thread mentioned that it could be pleurisy.

 

[littlepenguin]

Crystal meth aka. Desoxyn is available with prescription in many countries and is pure 100% d-methamphetamine. You don't need to suck dick in the street to obtain methamphetamine. It seems you have a tough ear so I'll say it again: Adderall has more negative side effects than methamphetamine due to 25% levo-amphetamine.

Random...

a tough ear....lmfao

sounds like you have a tough brain - as in, not spongy, as in - doesn't soak in any correct information, but like a rock, just sits there, doing nothing and retaining the same bullshit it's always had inside it.

'crystal' methamphetamine refers to the street form of methamphetamine.
'crystal' shouldn't be used in describing what is in desoxyn.
although street methamphetamine and desoxyn both (hopefully, in reference to street methamp) contain the same active ingredient, it's really not correct to call them the exact same thing unless one can test the purity of the street in a lab for confirmation.

to say that adderall has more negative side effects than methamphetamine is simply not true.

and speaking of sucking dick in the street to obtain methamphetamine, you're probably right there - obtaining 'crystal' (street) meth is quite easy and available if you know the right circles - however, there'd probably have to be a whole lotta fellatio provided to obtain desoxyn, since it's incredibly rare to be prescribed, and the people who are obtaining it by legal Rx are probably not giving it away.

back to your idiotic notion that adderall has worse effects than methamphetamine - I don't know a whole lotta people who are IV'ing addies. I do, unfortunately, know some folks who IV methamphetamine. Granted, in the compairison I just made, yeah - one might find themselves with a whole shitload of problems if they started IV'ing addies, because of all the binders and other shit that's supposed to be ingested orally, not through IV. But, if we were to make the assumption that people were taking their addies as Rx'ed, versus someone using street methamphetamine (smoked, oral, iv, nasal, plugging) - one could safely bet that the person using adderall is going to have LESS NEGATIVE SIDE EFFECTS than the person using street methamphetamine.

 

[Deadhead420]

^^

That's not really a fair comparison. Meth is more easily abused because it's easy to smoke, snort, IV, whatever. With Adderall most people take it orally because any other way is a pain in the ass. If someone were to take a small amount of meth orally, it would be comparable to Adderall and would have less of those levo-amphetamine related side effects. Also if someone were to abuse Adderall and stay up for days at a time, they would look just like a strung out meth user would.

Yes, the inconsistent purity of street meth does increase the risks and possibly side effects but you can't compare your average tweaker binging on meth to an ADHD patient who never abuses his meds. Point is, you can use both drugs responsibly but you can also abuse both drugs and get just as strung out on both. And levo-amphetamine makes me feel horrible so I'd rather not use it.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Stop entirely. Cut back if you can't stop entirely. Chest pain is NOT a good sign when using methamphetamine.

Take care of yourself and best of luck.

 

[littlepenguin]

^^

That's not really a fair comparison. Meth is more easily abused because it's easy to smoke, snort, IV, whatever. With Adderall most people take it orally because any other way is a pain in the ass. If someone were to take a small amount of meth orally, it would be comparable to Adderall and would have less of those levo-amphetamine related side effects. Also if someone were to abuse Adderall and stay up for days at a time, they would look just like a strung out meth user would.

Yes, the inconsistent purity of street meth does increase the risks and possibly side effects but you can't compare your average tweaker binging on meth to an ADHD patient who never abuses his meds. Point is, you can use both drugs responsibly but you can also abuse both drugs and get just as strung out on both. And levo-amphetamine makes me feel horrible so I'd rather not use it.

ahhhhhhh, ummmm...
did ya read the last paragraph of my post?
obviously not, or, you wouldn't have replied the way you did. cuz. that's pretty much on the nutsack what I said. see?

I don't know a whole lotta people who are IV'ing addies. I do, unfortunately, know some folks who IV methamphetamine. Granted, in the compairison I just made, yeah - one might find themselves with a whole shitload of problems if they started IV'ing addies, because of all the binders and other shit that's supposed to be ingested orally, not through IV.

But, if we were to make the assumption that people were taking their addies as Rx'ed, versus someone using street methamphetamine (smoked, oral, iv, nasal, plugging) - one could safely bet that the person using adderall is going to have LESS NEGATIVE SIDE EFFECTS than the person using street methamphetamine.

 

[littlepenguin]

my true apologies to the OP, mrsexpancake, for taking your thread off topic.
i do hope you found an answer or some guidance in the midst of our digressing....be well