my husband is 3 days in on suboxone n I need help!

[lovemyhusband]

Hi everyone,
My husband has had a very heavy pill addiction he started taking them for severe back pain but started taking more due to the dosing wasn't working for his pain. So he got to the point of taking one 100mg ms cotin a day plus 350 mgs of oxycodone 30's. On sat night was his last dose of 7- 30mg of oxycodone so he went until 6pm sunday. He was very bad on the cow scale n I decided to give him one 8mg suboxone, that thru him into precipated withdrawl I guess cause he was so bad. So I gave him a 4 mgs and hour later. And contuined dosing until he feel asleep for the night. Monday he woke up and was very nauseas, and has been nauseas ever since. I have called his dr several times but they just tell me to have him take what they prescribed. They didn't even have any emergency number to call sunday night. Now today my husbands already asking for his oxycodone, I'm not giving it to him, I really want him to get thru this. Does anyone have any advice?

 

[itsALLfake]

You're playing with fire trying to control his addiction, nothing good will come from it..more than likely. I'm not saying it is impossible to help him quit, but you playing god isn't going to be a beneficial factor in it. If he wants to quit, he will. He needs to decide to get on Suboxone, and you don't need to give it to him. It may be hard for him to want to switch to Suboxone after having precipitated withdrawals from it if he doesn't know much about the chemistry of Buprenorphine. If his doctor isn't going to help him get off of them, then see if he'll be willing to find a doctor that will. I had a lot of problems with Buprenorphine doctors. By the time I found a good one that was doing his job properly, I was addicted to Buprenorphine and actually preferred it over oxycodone, so I screwed up that relationship and had to go back to an old doctor.

Oh yeah, and Alanon.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

So you have a bottle of oxycodone? If he is addicted to it and having a rough time switching to the Suboxone, having it in the house will be like torture. It's not really fair to either of you to have you be the one in control of the meds and that situation often does not work out well. I would say he needs to find a better doctor.

In the meantime, he can try taking smaller amounts of the Suboxone at a time. How much is he prescribed and what did the doctor say to do? One suggestion is to start with just 0.5 or 1mg every 1-2 hrs until he feels ok - that way is less likely to induce precipitated withdrawal. And if he hasn't taken any other opioids (oxycodone, morphine, etc) in more than 2 days then he shouldn't be at risk for precipitated withdrawal now. Switching can be tough for the first few days until his body adjusts though. How's he feeling now? Is this something he is choosing to do or did you convince him? He has to really want to quit.

 

[lovemyhusband]

Hello, this is actually her husband now.. i waited 24 hours from my last dose of oxycodone before i took my first suboxone, i think it did throw me into precipitated withdraw a bit , after a while the leg kicking calmed down a bit and i could actually sit up. but the problem is the nausea and the pain were still horrible.i went through this for 2 days with no let up at all, i was taking plenty of suboxone but after 3 days of this i finally mentally couldnt take it anymore and i finally gave in and took oxycodone . i was on Extremely high doses .. i would take 30-40 30mg roxy per day and ms contin 100-200 mg per day .. is this why the suboxone didnt work for me? i have been on that dose for 5 years. would i be better off taking methadone? i really want to quit and i thought after a few days i would be ok on the suboxone to go back to work, i couldnt be sick like that for a week or more being in that pain and nausea ... can anyone ofer any suggestions? thank you

 

[lovemyhusband]

If anyone who has been on very very high doses of oxycodone, 800- 1200 mg per day for years at a time and has any experience with suboxone, please help me out here bec i am lost. the thing that scares me is i was getting a script for 100 30mg roxi , every 2 days, and most people cant afford to do that or cant find a doc to do that so i felt like my suboxone doctor didnt have a clue what he was talking about, he told me my dose wasnt as bad as i am making it out to be... I couldnt make the switch to suboxone and i need to know if methadone will be ok... any help guys and girls i really appreciate it, please see my thread right above this one to see what i did

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Hi there, I hope you are ok! It is possible to basically have too big a habit for Suboxone to be able to fully relieve your withdrawal symptoms. Methadone, unlike Suboxone, doesn't have a ceiling and will fully relieve withdrawal symptoms if taken at the right dose. But there are of course many disadvantages to methadone, and in my opinion there is a big difference between being on methadone for a short time and then tapering off versus being on long-term maintenance (I ended up on it for 10 years and getting off it was the hardest thing I've ever done, so I'm a bit biased).

However, I am thinking that this thread might get more/better answers in the Other Drugs forum, since you are mainly asking for advice with the physical aspects as opposed to the mental/emotional aspects of addiction, correct? There are a lot of people with experience and expertise in opioid withdrawal and substitution drugs in Other Drugs and it's a busier forum, so I am going to move it over there for you - if you want it moved back to Sober Living just say so. Or you're always welcome to start a new thread in Sober Living if you do want help with the addiction and craving aspects etc. Best of luck to you

Sober Living > Other Drugs

 

[itsALLfake]

I've never heard of anyone getting prescribed that much, other than people going to Florida to get them to sell, nor have I heard of anyone taking that much oxycodone. I rarely find people that took more than me for my short 4-6months on 400-640mg a day, but I don't go looking around for them either.

800mg with 8hour half life.--400mg at 8 hours, 200 at 16 hours, 100 at 24 hours, 50 at 32 hours, 25 at 40 hours, 12.5 at 48 hours, 6.25 at 54 hours, 3.125 at 62 hours, 1.5625 at 70 hours, 0.7815mg at 78 hours... It is very possible that you just experienced precipitated withdrawal. I don't know why others are affected by it and some not, but I wouldn't consider what you had an adverse reaction to Buprenorphine as far as allergy-like symptoms go. Regardless of your opioid tolerance, it may be too strong of a dose.

Methadone will work. I'm sure people have been successful with it, but I have never personally met anyone that has. They either stay on it, go back to other opioids, or they end up going to Buprenorphine.

Is nausea the only negative from taking the suboxone? Was your pain so severe that you needed pain medication to get through the day? Did your pain level come back as time progressed while on oxycodone?

 

[StartedHydro]

You have three options. Cold turkey, methadone, buprenorphine(suboxone).

If what you say is true about the amount of full agonists(Oxy-morphine) you took daily, then buprenorphine in the beginning will most probably not "hold" you in such a manner that you feel comfortable, normal. It's due to buprenorphine partial agonist profile as an opioid. Most professionals thoughts on bupe is that its equal to around 50-80 mg of Oxy at its ceiling. So when you take bupe it will take the edge off but due to your high tolerance it's going to take sometime before bupe holds you in such a fashion that you can lead a normal life. IMO, its a lot easier to get off bupe than most other full agonists and depending on where you live a lot more convieant in that there are no daily trips to a clinic. You will have to just bear some agony for around 4-8 days while on bupe until your body adjusts. One medicine you can ask your doctor for that helps greatly is clonidine a blood pressure medicine.

Then methadone. Full agonist very potent and long acting. Most clinics start you off at 40 mg and titrate your dose up accordingly. So it could take a few days or a week before you get to a high enough dose of methadone to stave off all WDs from that high a habit. Another reason I'd try bupe and just ride it out for a few days.

Whenever I do H for a few days straight and I switch back to bupe I never feel normal for at least two days. Almost all my WDs are gone by taking bupe, but I'm left a little depressed, bored, and lack energy. But after two or three days I'm back to normal. It's time, really. With such a high tolerance to opioids it's going to take a few days to get well.

 

[Jersey0485]

I do not know anything about sub , but I wanted to chime in. First I want to say if you can, see about going to a detox center brother, you'll spend 3-10 days in medical detox and learn ways to help yourself. Don't be shy about it or think it makes you a "junkie" , you'll be shocked the people you meet there. If that is not your cup of tea.. And you can handle a bad time.. Try cold turkey .... You'll feel like you want to die , but positive thinking (mind over matter) will help you. Third , don't let your wife be in charge of your pills , the pills change you bro , wether you want them to or not, and you don't need to resent her for not understanding where you are at, thinking you can hack what you can't , or her resenting you for not moving at the speed she wants.

Getting off these fucking drugs is a serious battle bro, no matter what you go through, but I personally feel you should try to keep people you love out of your fight ..... There have been times I freaked out on my wife when she was keeping track of my doses like a complete douchebag and I regret the hell out of it. There are times I've been without and blamed everyone and everything for what I was going through ... And that is so not me.

Just be thankful that your wife obviously loves you enough to be on here trying to find ways to ease your suffering , and be thankful she hasn't said fuck this guy I'm gonna split. Good woman brother ..... Don't make her resent you or make it so you live in regret because the pain of withdrawal forced you to be an asshole.

In the meantime ... Look up the Thomas recipe , pray , stay positive , remember why you want off the pills and trust yourself and your wife. Good Luck bro .... I'm 8 days clean after 100 mg a day for months and 2 years in this sick little world. You can do it and you can get through it.



Oh and wife ....lots of back rubs will help lol.

God bless

 

[Droppersneck]

I have checked every bottle I own pulled out the draws to every piece of furniture pulled out every pocket of every piece of close picked apart my truck etc etc etc All to find a crumb of subs. Please if yall want to be serious get rid of the pills in the house the addiction is that strong.

 

[lovemyhusband]

Well the suboxone definitely didnt work, and going by how i felt, it probably wouldve taken 2 weks in that state before i even began to feel even a little normal again. i was so nauseous, pain through my entire body, my legs were still kickikng a little bit but the suboxone helped a little with that, i just felt horrible, i couldnt even stand up.... i have one more month now to try and find another way out of this. i a, thinking of trying the methadone but i am worried i wont feel normal on methadone. i am a active person who likes to work out and im worried i will alwys feel "off" bec thats what i am hearing from people.
I cant believe i let my habit get this bad, and now my source is drying up and i cant afford to take 30, 30mg roxi a day. i have wanted to get off them anyway i just havent had a way to not be sick and miss work ,ect...
i have to take 7 30mg roxi at a time about every 4 hours to function up until; the evening then i just ride it out and goto sleep.
If anyone has advice about methadone and what its like, advantages, disadvantages, i would love to hear more, thank you everyone for your responses

 

[Ksa]

Hi everyone,
My husband has had a very heavy pill addiction he started taking them for severe back pain but started taking more due to the dosing wasn't working for his pain. So he got to the point of taking one 100mg ms cotin a day plus 350 mgs of oxycodone 30's. On sat night was his last dose of 7- 30mg of oxycodone so he went until 6pm sunday. He was very bad on the cow scale n I decided to give him one 8mg suboxone, that thru him into precipated withdrawl I guess cause he was so bad. So I gave him a 4 mgs and hour later. And contuined dosing until he feel asleep for the night. Monday he woke up and was very nauseas, and has been nauseas ever since. I have called his dr several times but they just tell me to have him take what they prescribed. They didn't even have any emergency number to call sunday night. Now today my husbands already asking for his oxycodone, I'm not giving it to him, I really want him to get thru this. Does anyone have any advice?

Get him to the doctor who prescribed the pills and ask him to fix him. The system is guilty for all of this, your husband is not: They banned metamizole (non-addictive as strong as morphine painkiller) because it was too cheap to produce and the pharmaceutical companies couldn't afford a pain-free America for a penny and a dollar. They are responsible and they have to fix him. Watch out for "addictive behavior" type of blame that doctors put on patients...if he tells you this, ask him why metamizole is not on the market. Aggranulo...yeah. Bunch of bullshit excuse.

 

[Morphling]

Jesus. I don't think you'll even find a methadone clinic that will prescribe you a sufficient amount of methadone to cover that habit. Subs won't work at any dose.

Oxy taper?

 

[Fire&Water]

Well the suboxone definitely didnt work, and going by how i felt, it probably wouldve taken 2 weks in that state before i even began to feel even a little normal again. i was so nauseous, pain through my entire body, my legs were still kickikng a little bit but the suboxone helped a little with that, i just felt horrible, i couldnt even stand up.... i have one more month now to try and find another way out of this. i a, thinking of trying the methadone but i am worried i wont feel normal on methadone. i am a active person who likes to work out and im worried i will alwys feel "off" bec thats what i am hearing from people.
I cant believe i let my habit get this bad, and now my source is drying up and i cant afford to take 30, 30mg roxi a day. i have wanted to get off them anyway i just havent had a way to not be sick and miss work ,ect...
i have to take 7 30mg roxi at a time about every 4 hours to function up until; the evening then i just ride it out and goto sleep.
If anyone has advice about methadone and what its like, advantages, disadvantages, i would love to hear more, thank you everyone for your responses

Truth prevails...
not judging, but this should have been your initial post. Personally I think methadone sucks.

 

[saramajara]

i would suggest tapering down on your medication as much as you possibly can, then getting some benzo's for the switch to suboxone. I have a reallly really hard time switching onto bupes... subutex works much much better for me, suboxone almost always gives me precipitates withdrawls.
i usually plan it out so that i take my last does at at time which will make my withdrawls start a few hours after i fall asleep that night and take a sleep aid or benzo before bed. the next morning i try and eat benzos and sleep most of the day and not take my bupe til later in the evening. and a small dose.. like 4mg. thats what works for me, best of luck to you and your husband.

edit: oops just read your last post.. if your asking me... methadone is the fucking devil... and this is coming from a hardcore heroin addict. i watched someone detox off 20mg of methadone, while i kicked a 2 year 200$ a day heroin and benzo habit.. and watching this ladies withdrawls made me scared of methadone forever. like never ever ever will i touch that shit. my withdrawls... were a peice of cake compared to what this lady was going thru.

getting onto bupes is the hardest.. i swear. but if you can make it through the transition youll be okay.

 

[saramajara]

annnddd... do some research on your own about suboxone, subutex, precipitated withdrawal, and alllll that stuff, i'm not saying drs dont know what they're talking about, but its been my experience that us addicts have much more knowledge about how and why something is or isn't working. dont trust everything you read on the internet, but they're ain't no suboxone pamphlet your dr can read from that is gonna help you.