Bupe My god, Has ANYONE successfully tried and done the Bernese method or microdosed onto Suboxone from opioids?????

[idontremember]

I tried the bernese method but I'm too much of an addict and couldn't stick to the tapering off the opiates. If you are like me and have negative self control, I don't recommend it. I just ended up blowing through my drugs of choice etc and ended up in detox anyway.

 

[smokeymcpot42088]

I have a strong feeling the OP is wanting to attempt this on his or her own and after all this reading misunderstands the basic action of suboxone. I always thought subs were precipitated too until my suboxone doc explained it to me recently. I just kicked them too. I have a feeling this person wont be able to manage without help. Something about the desperation here bothers me so Im advocating medical attention 100%.

I will not advocate against medical attention but I will say this: I would rather kick at my house with comfort meds, all normal amenities, and people that love me than at any institution; period. Marijuana + Benadryl + Phenibut = more than the hospital will provide and noone has to know a damn thing. (actually they will give you very small doses of pento or phentobarbital *whichever the crappy one in fiorcet is*) but only if your BP spikes to the point they fear liability for your death. THIS IS THE USA BTW, other countries do better, or worse .

Maybe person doesn't wanna be red flagged or spend a giant medical bill to be shit on for being an addict and left on a hospital floor.

I did not see anything about the source being gone so IDK why tapering is right out the window; Always taper if it is an option.

NOW IF I AM WRONG AND OP YOU ARE AT A SNAPPING POINT LIKE JOEY FEELS, medical attention may be appropriate.

 

[idontremember]

Just becareful with phenibut. One of the worst withdrawals of my life (I had to do it in secret and only had comfort meds for part of it) and I actually thought I might die. Phenibut is no joke. To be fair, I was abusing it but I hadn't been for that long. It was surprising (to me at least) how bad the withdrawals were. I had been taking phenibut every day though, which is a big no no.

I didn't mean to suggest that tapering is a bad idea. I think it is great, if you have the will power to do it. Phenibut was the only drug that I ever had the real will power to taper off of, I had forgotten about that in my earlier comment. Otherwise, for me, tapering was a failure but I do know people who have been successful at it.

 

[stuckandfucked]

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Was looking for this info! Thinking about just cramming a bunch of subs and going for it.
Ive been able to get on subs in years past but this time i always go into PW. I went through doctors and rehabs. First they said wait 3 days no fent before subs to avoid PW. Nope, had PW. Then they said wait 4 days...still went PW. Then went to inpatient and waited 5 days no fent! Still PW! The problem is after being sick for a couple days I have no willpower to handle the PW. So im thinking id do better to just do it dirty (after maybe 8hrs of sleep). Was curious how long the PW would last. Thanks for this timeline. And congrats brother!

 

[rideITout]

Was looking for this info! Thinking about just cramming a bunch of subs and going for it.
Ive been able to get on subs in years past but this time i always go into PW. I went through doctors and rehabs. First they said wait 3 days no fent before subs to avoid PW. Nope, had PW. Then they said wait 4 days...still went PW. Then went to inpatient and waited 5 days no fent! Still PW! The problem is after being sick for a couple days I have no willpower to handle the PW. So im thinking id do better to just do it dirty (after maybe 8hrs of sleep). Was curious how long the PW would last. Thanks for this timeline. And congrats brother!

Why don't you give this in this thread a try? I have been reading all I can find about the bernese method, and it's worked for so many like in this thread, I have gone into PWD 2 times now after taking Bupe tryig to come off fet/H, but I'm now on day 3 of bernese method, and now moved from 1/32 of a 8mg sub to 1/16 or 0.5mg 3-4 times a day, and I only had slight withdraws on the first day, also, now when I smoke fet/H I'm not feeling it much at all, and wounding if I really need to smoke it still... as when I do I'm only smoking 1/4 bag or 0.5mg at a time 5 times a day, thats down from 15 bags per day.

 

[stuckandfucked]

Why don't you give this in this thread a try? I have been reading all I can find about the bernese method, and it's worked for so many like in this thread, I have gone into PWD 2 times now after taking Bupe tryig to come off fet/H, but I'm now on day 3 of bernese method, and now moved from 1/32 of a 8mg sub to 1/16 or 0.5mg 3-4 times a day, and I only had slight withdraws on the first day, also, now when I smoke fet/H I'm not feeling it much at all, and wounding if I really need to smoke it still... as when I do I'm only smoking 1/4 bag or 0.5mg at a time 5 times a day, thats down from 15 bags per day.

Whoa! Great news and great info. Keep us updated.

 

[Stassi202]

I want to start this method where you microdose suboxone while still taking opioid of choice over 7-14 days depending.

If you don’t know what it is look up Bernese Method.

I was prescribed this method by my doctor but I can’t seem to find one SINGLE PERSON THAT HAS DONE IT that can tell me their experience. My god I am losing my mind here!!!

I have read every study out there.

I need to get on suboxone and because of the way fentanyl is it doesn’t matter how long you wait you will go into precipitated withdrawal and I’m sick as a dog by 18 hours so I can’t wait 48 hours.

Is there not one soul in this whole forum that has done it???????

Who told you 48 hours? I have gone cold turkey from fentanyl so many times omg, and also inadvertently put myself into precipitated wd. I have never heard 48, I’ve heard 24 or when you are in full withdrawal.
The Bernise method is difficult to maintain if you have access to everything else at same time. I’d sooner reach for the D before cutting up a strip, but that’s me. If you are ready to take a sub, start out with little pieces and make sure you start feeling better not like pwd

 

[rideITout]

Who told you 48 hours? I have gone cold turkey from fentanyl so many times omg, and also inadvertently put myself into precipitated wd. I have never heard 48, I’ve heard 24 or when you are in full withdrawal.
The Bernise method is difficult to maintain if you have access to everything else at same time. I’d sooner reach for the D before cutting up a strip, but that’s me. If you are ready to take a sub, start out with little pieces and make sure you start feeling better not like pwd

"The Bernise method is difficult to maintain" In which way? Please explain. I found it worked amazingly well, as I really thought I would never be off Fet/H again, as I have been really trying for some time, and I have now not smoked any for 5 days, it's super simple really, just start low around 0.025mg of Bupe 1-2x per day, on day one, 4x 0.5mg day two, and 0.5mg 6-7 times on day three, then I did 8mg in 1mg and 2mg pieces over day four, which was also the last day of smoking Fet/H, and been taking 6mg of Bupe every day since, tomorrow I move down to 4mg of Bupe etc.

So as long as you have some Bupe, you have a very good chance of beating it.

 

[Stassi202]

"The Bernise method is difficult to maintain" In which way? Please explain. I found it worked amazingly well, as I really thought I would never be off Fet/H again, as I have been really trying for some time, and I have now not smoked any for 5 days, it's super simple really, just start low around 0.025mg of Bupe 1-2x per day, on day one, 4x 0.5mg day two, and 0.5mg 6-7 times on day three, then I did 8mg in 1mg and 2mg pieces over day four, which was also the last day of smoking Fet/H, and been taking 6mg of Bupe every day since, tomorrow I move down to 4mg of Bupe etc.

So as long as you have some Bupe, you have a very good chance of beating it.

I have more bupe than I know what to do with. In the range of 500 strips. Trying to figure out how to get rid of them

 

[stuckandfucked]

"The Bernise method is difficult to maintain" In which way? Please explain. I found it worked amazingly well, as I really thought I would never be off Fet/H again, as I have been really trying for some time, and I have now not smoked any for 5 days, it's super simple really, just start low around 0.025mg of Bupe 1-2x per day, on day one, 4x 0.5mg day two, and 0.5mg 6-7 times on day three, then I did 8mg in 1mg and 2mg pieces over day four, which was also the last day of smoking Fet/H, and been taking 6mg of Bupe every day since, tomorrow I move down to 4mg of Bupe etc.

So as long as you have some Bupe, you have a very good chance of beating it.

I have some strips and i really want to try this but.....
Im almost positive that my dope has been switched over to tranq dope over the last couple months. It wasn't even on my radar but I remember when I started feeling weird Sensations when using, the shit seem crazy strong, and now my health has imploded.
I'm afraid if I do the microdosing that I will still start withdrawing from tranq. Dont know what to do

 

[rideITout]

I have some strips and i really want to try this but.....
Im almost positive that my dope has been switched over to tranq dope over the last couple months. It wasn't even on my radar but I remember when I started feeling weird Sensations when using, the shit seem crazy strong, and now my health has imploded.
I'm afraid if I do the microdosing that I will still start withdrawing from tranq. Dont know what to do

Is the "tranq dope" xylazine? As the crap I was smoking tested positive for Xylazing Fentanyl Nitazene and Heroin, and it changed for me too, as I started going down hill fast, I even stopped eating for the last 2 weeks before I managed to get off it, I now think I was basically dying, as I couldn't get out of bed.

The reason why the Bernise method worked for me and I really think it will for you too, Is that you keep taking/smoking the dope for the first 3-9 or so days, with one of the papers I read, one person kept taking the dope for 30 days or so, and he did a really slow taper over that time, But, If it was me, I would try 2x 0.025mg day one and double it on day two etc, as you will have zero to lose, just keep plenty of both Bupe and dope ready, How I see it the Bupe is going to replace the Fentanyl Heroin and help with the Xylazing and Nitazene, but at the same time you are slowly tapering down on all at the same time.

 

[stuckandfucked]

First, i appreciate the response.

Second yes its Xylazine. I just got test strips and my urine lit it up. Im really stressing because ive been trying to decrease the amount of dope im using (havent started subs yet, just trying to clean out a bit first)

But I'm having a really hard time. If I do a whole bag I can make it maybe 6 hours(maybe), but if i do like a half a bag, all the withdrawal symptoms start in like 2-3 hrs

And my withdrawal symptoms aren't the classic withdrawal symptoms that I'm used to having over like the last 20 f#$ing years. Now i get really loud ringing in the ears, i turn red, i start shaking violently and I get horrible abdominal cramps (not ones I can fight through, like if i didnt fix up I would need to be hospitalized)

But im encouraged by you saying that you think it might still work for me so im going to get some strips and give it a shot. I cant stand being on this shit

 

[heliologean]

Yes, I am currently using the bernese method to transfer from 15mg a day of methadone to 8-12mg a day of suboxone. Been on methadone for 13 years since I was a teenager, been tapering from 60mg to where I am now, 5mg a month reduction until recently when I went from 25mg to 20mg in 10 days, then 20mg to 15mg in 14 days, then 15mg to 10mg in 21 days. Stayed on 10mg for 3 days until the withdrawal got too bad for me to continue, phoned my doctor and decided to switch to suboxone instead.

Schedule is 0.5mg of suboxone yesterday, 0.5mg twice daily today, 1mg twice daily tomorrow, 2mg twice daily the next day, 3mg twice daily the next day, 4mg twice daily the next day, then 12mg the final day and I stop the methadone. Bumped me back up to 15mg from 10mg to keep me comfortable during the induction.

So far I feel fine. Some minor physical symptoms like mild muscle aches, but those have mostly gone away and the feeling that I'm *missing something* that caused me to be super tense/yawning/tired isn't there anymore, so I'd actually say I feel better overall at this point than I have over the last few months as I've been tapering from methadone (started at 60mg). I'm pretty optimistic about this at this point.

Just try to keep a positive outlook on it would be the best advice I could give. If you're a nerd like me, look into the literature on it as it's pretty much all positive. It's a kappa opiate receptor antagonist, kappa antagonism reduces drug seeking behavior, reduced anhedonia, reduces depressive/anxious symptoms, increases motivation and generally does good stuff. Here's a quote from this paper (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5846103/)

"antagonists to the κ-receptor tend to cause euthymia and normalized rate of locomotion, as evidenced by improved performance in various learned-helplessness models in animal subjects".