My friends daughter has meth psychosis but says she hasnt used in days?! Possible?

[nikki41]

This is what happened. My housekeeper had told me her daughter got a hold of some meth like a week ago. And since she has been taking care of her and unable to come to work. Yesterday she wanted to come to work but asked if her daughter could come with her (her daughter is 14) - I said sure.
I go into my living room where her daughter is, and she is sitting there talking to her self and in meth psychosis. I asked them to leave because I cant tolerate that, and it makes me sick to my stomach, I just cant deal with such misery travesty AT ALL.

So I text her right after and say "shes in meth psychosis, why dont you call the ambulance slash cops on her! This is not the same as being HIGH on meth!"

So they went to mental health and the E.R - and my housekeeper/friend is telling me that her daughter has not touched any meth since a week ago.
WHAt?!?! IN MY PAST experience, those meth psychosis symptoms go away after 8 to 12 hours max of last use. (used to happen to me all the time)
She said she was with her the whole time. I SAY well then she used behind your back! Right? So Im TRYING to tell her that its not possible, ect and she says "ill tell you one more time, she has not used any meth for a week"

In MY mind and MY experience, what I saw.... she HAD to of used within at least 8 hours.

AM I wrong? Can she still be acting crazy (talking to her self in front of me and my grandkids with out a care in the world, hoodie over her face, scabs on her lips, fidgeting) I saw this girl two weeks ago and she was perfectly fine. ) ... a WEEK after ingesting the meth?

I want to help my friend. I dont want to call her out for being stupid and nieve if she knows what she is doing.
The girl was given zyprexa. WHY would you give that if the person is not ACTUALLY crazy but crazy BECAUSE of meth?
My friend said she started to get normal now (last hour or so) cuz she took the zyprexa. Ummm Im pretty sure thats NOT how it works and that medicine is not instant acting but takes a few weeks? MOST likely is that she is reaching that 8 to 12 hours of non use and getting normal again!?

I know when it used to happen to me, it was from being up for too long, with no food or liquids. But once I stopped using, I was normal again in no later than half a day. I have meth psychosis storys from hell. BUT.. maybe I dont know everything. Any input is very much appreciated.

 

[Bambooshoot]

" I asked them to leave because I cant tolerate that, and it makes me sick to my stomach, I just cant deal with such misery travesty AT ALL."

You proudly admit this^^...then say this;

"I know when it used to happen to me, it was from being up for too long, with no food or liquids. But once I stopped using, I was normal again in no later than half a day. I have meth psychosis storys from hell."

Maybe if you weren't being so hypocritical you might be able to stop and listen. It is possible that her daughter has/had underlying psychological conditions and this has kicked them into over drive. I watched this happen to my best friend over the best part of 7 years. It is crippling.
Your friend could probably use some support from you rather than you arguing her ever word telling her she is wrong like a stubborn 14 yo strangely... :/

My thoughts. Take them as you will..

 

[mrflowers00]

^ this

 

[Blake7]

A couple of years ago I got full on psychosis from a 3 day run on methylphenidate and was still in psychosis many days later and ended up being admitted to a mental health unit. I was put on low dose antipsychotics and was still having auditory hallucinations a few weeks later though they disappeared with a higher dose. Many months later, I stopped taking the antipsychs and within a week, the auditory hallucinations were back again though in a very mild way so yes, it is very likely she is suffering psychosis many days after using.

 

[nikki41]

" I asked them to leave because I cant tolerate that, and it makes me sick to my stomach, I just cant deal with such misery travesty AT ALL."

You proudly admit this^^...then say this;

"I know when it used to happen to me, it was from being up for too long, with no food or liquids. But once I stopped using, I was normal again in no later than half a day. I have meth psychosis storys from hell."

Maybe if you weren't being so hypocritical you might be able to stop and listen. It is possible that her daughter has/had underlying psychological conditions and this has kicked them into over drive. I watched this happen to my best friend over the best part of 7 years. It is crippling.
Your friend could probably use some support from you rather than you arguing her ever word telling her she is wrong like a stubborn 14 yo strangely... :/

My thoughts. Take them as you will..

That WAAS LONG ago. I have three grandchildren under the age of 4 who were at the house with me, sorry i Im not gonna allow that in my home.

 

[nikki41]

A couple of years ago I got full on psychosis from a 3 day run on methylphenidate and was still in psychosis many days later and ended up being admitted to a mental health unit. I was put on low dose antipsychotics and was still having auditory hallucinations a few weeks later though they disappeared with a higher dose. Many months later, I stopped taking the antipsychs and within a week, the auditory hallucinations were back again though in a very mild way so yes, it is very likely she is suffering psychosis many days after using.

THANK YOU! NOW I know. thank you sooo much.

 

[Blake7]

THANK YOU! NOW I know. thank you sooo much.

Glad I could help

 

[sekio]

No offense, why would you tell someone it's OK to bring their methed-out daughter to your house, and then complain when she's all methed out? I get that you want to be generous, but if it bothers you so much why do you even invite the trouble?

 

[Bambooshoot]

That WAAS LONG ago. I have three grandchildren under the age of 4 who were at the house with me, sorry i Im not gonna allow that in my home.

No offense, why would you tell someone it's OK to bring their methed-out daughter to your house, and then complain when she's all methed out? I get that you want to be generous, but if it bothers you so much why do you even invite the trouble?

^^ Exactly my point.

 

[Rabidrabbit]

Why do you even care? At this point it just sounds like you want to know because of gossip rather than helping them. You're also being extremely judgmental for someone who has had their own issues with methamphetamine.

It's as simple as this: You wanted them out of your home, you kicked them out of your home, the end on your part.

What your housekeeper/"friend" does with herself and her daughter is her business now. Luckily it seems like she's getting help for her daughter.

Shouldn't you be looking for another housekeeper or something?

 

[tricomb]

^ I agree...

As for the antipsychotics issue, it's very common to give people in psychosis a medication designed to reverse psychosis. Olanzepine would not have been my first choice but I'm not a doctor.

Why would you invite her into your home in the first place if you are incapable of dealing with it for a few hours. I can understand you not wanting that shit around your family but your sending mixed messages.

Also, recommending that a parent calls the police on their drug addicted child is pretty messed up, cops have real crime to deal with. Especially since you used to do drugs too. How would you like it if your kids were using crystal and your housekeeper wanted to call the cops on your daughter?

 

[Mzral]

She was talking to herself? Now, I don't know how much she used or the ROA, but I know the one and only time I tried meth, I got the 3 day amphetamine psychosis. The 2nd day, I was actually able to "sleep" for 5 hours but I say "sleep" because although 5 hours had passed, when I opened my eyes I still felt tweaked and it was if I had never slept at all. I was alert and still pretty messed up from having done a number of bumps, the night my friend and I went to town on this bag of glass. The kid who brought it over my friends house during a party warned us not to "cross the line" and do too much, or we'd wind up with the three day vacation from HELL. All in all, it wasn't too bad because it was during a time in my life that I was doing a lot of psychedelics, so basically what I experienced were a lot of peripheral hallucinations, or what some people call "the shadow people". The day I was walking back home after getting off the train, I could distinctly hear people calling my name, but no one was around. I vividly remember that day, as there was a slight chill in the air, the sky was grey, and there was no one on the main street of my town, which was usually bustling. It felt comparable to being in a real life Silent Hill or something. Other than that, I was ok. I didn't act abnormally, I just FELT abnormal.

I never got to talking to myself though. Is it possible that this triggered latent schizophrenia in the girl? Meth is seriously one of the most powerful drugs I've ever experienced. While I value the one time I did it, I have had no desire to do it again, and couldn't imagine being a full time tweaker.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Calling the cops on someone who is in meth psychosis sounds like a terrible compassionless idea How would that help her?

It's very possible that the girl hasn't used any meth for a week. Who knows how much meth she did and for how long, how sleep deprived she was, whether she was predisposed to mental health issues, etc. What was your goal in asking? Was it out of interest in helping the girl, or curiosity? Or were you just trying to prove that she had lied about how recently she last used meth and feel smug?

If your housekeeper told you she was taking care of her daughter who was recovering from a meth binge and you invited her to bring her daughter, I don't get why you assumed the daughter would be fine and normal - if she was why would her mom still be needing to take care of her?

I urge you to please not fire your poor housekeeper and to try to look at this from her point of view. What if that was your child? Think about what will truly help this family the most. You of course have a right to not have meth-addled teenagers in your home, but you did say it was ok for her to come and I think the best way to handle this would be to provide support and kindness, and just tell your housekeeper you didn't realize what kind of state the girl would be in and felt she needed to be getting help instead of hanging out in your house. If someone is still in psychosis a week after use it's even more important that they receive help.

 

[Tripman]

Zyprexa does not take weeks to work, they use anti-psychotics as a quick fix in meth psychosis frequently.

You need to stop being so judgmental, especially as a past user and perhaps do the research before making such accusatory comments to your friend about her daughter.

 

[TyLannister]

I agree with a lot of you

That being said, she simply asked a question.
What she did not do was to be ganged up on and take loads of criticism.

 

[SaosinEngaged]

You want to help "your friend," but you kick them out of your house and then admit to having been through the same thing in the past?

How about you show a little empathy, especially since you've claimed to have been there "yourself?"

Just my .02

"I don't want that around my kids ZOMG!"

Have your children play in their room, while you think of a way to help your "friend" in this tough situation. The general attitude you're copping over this makes it very difficult for me to seriously want to give you advice. Sounds like your friend's daughter is going through a rough time and you're too busy being focused on maintaining appearances after having claimed to have been a drug user yourself. *shrug*

 

[tricomb]

I agree with a lot of you

That being said, she simply asked a question.
What she did not do was to be ganged up on and take loads of criticism.

I doubt they she posted to be gang banged, sometimes people need to hear from perspectives that they either overlooked, hadn't considered, or whatever the case may be. I don't think that anyone's been overly mean either. However, she did more than post a question, she painted a vivid picture of her perspective on the matter, which was disturbing to many of us reading who also have been affected directly or indirectly by addiction.

It's a complicated situation, I'm sure that the OP had good intentions at heart, that's not at question, it's obvious that she wanted to help, but she didn't seem to see that her definition of helping doesn't actually translate into positive change.

Many people prefer to call the authorities and have someone else deal with the difficult situation, because some people are under the misunderstanding that the police are better qualified to deal with this sort of thing, when in reality, they are not, as many of us know from experience. Our system of justice and law enforcement is totally flawed and is not designed to help anyone, just to profit off the misfortune and bad choices that others have made. And when it comes to putting our friends and family in the hands of the system, I sure as hell will not remain silent.

Giving up on the person and resigning their care to the state, authorities, police, AKA the system, has never helped ANYONE that I know overcome their addictions. As a matter of fact, it's quite the opposite. In these situations, calling the cops is pretty much the worst thing you can do, and in many cases will result in the inevitable relapse of the loved one.

Addiction is a very serious disease which can be life threatening. It's a highly complicated disease and unfortunately it is rarely, if ever, as simple as making a phone call to the cops, social services, rehab, etc.

 

[mrflowers00]

zyprexa takes 2 to 4 days to reach peak plasma levels but about 2 hours after the first dose some beneficial effects are usually apparent

 

[tricomb]

For that reason I've always preferred chlorpromazine or haloperidol. I'm probably alone in holding these opinions.

 

[nikki41]

Thanks for the feedback. - The different perspectives did help me. .. This is my best friend for the last 2 years and my housekeeper, she lives a very different life at home than I do. Its been hard to maintain being friends with her and deal with all the drama of her life. I have 4 grown children and I worked my ass off to keep them smart and safe and none of them do drugs nor have been in any trouble and it is because of my strict attitude concerning such things, my past has made me hard Not understanding of it. I feeel like my friend is having all these problems because she is too soft, and if I am soft too, I am part of the problem. BUT my friend IS MAD at me, sooooo I CAN see how SHE feels much like many of the comments I have received in here, I failed as a friend .. but I kept my principles and my kids saw me do that, and I dunno what is most important (they are still young adults) - I cant BE THERE for my friend if MY idea of how to help a young addicted person is totally different than hers. But Thanks anyways for the feedback.