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My first time trying LSD
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Damien
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^ As were most of us when we ate our first doses.
Spoken Word
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I was/am 23. I couldn't imagine someone under 18 doing this drug and getting the best out of it.
Damien
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I guess it all depends on what you think the "best" is. 
I do agree that experimenting with these kind of things past the age of 20 is best though.
I do agree that experimenting with these kind of things past the age of 20 is best though.
It's not meant to be a secret, but it's not something easily explained in words. You can try to describe it - I know from having tried so many times before - but it's so far removed from any concept that our language has a definition for, that most attempts fail before they begin.
Now that the experience is over, I suggest you write. Write about what you did. Write about how you felt, and who you were with. Write as much as you can. From this you can then select the messages which would make sense to anyone who hasn't yet touched entheospace - and make those your messages to the world, through your intent and your actions. Most of what you write will not meet this criterion, yet this does not devalue the activity or the text.
Write what you can, if for no other reason than to tell your stories to other Trippers. In my mind, those true to the title Tripper are the collectors of experience; the artists of their own lives, who live to share the history of their tiny fragment of this existence with other such fragments.
Or, perhaps this is all a romantic idea I'm making up on the spot. Can it not be both?
she phoenix
Bluelighter
It'll have something to do with age possibly, but probably more to do with maturity! I have friends who are 24 and still need pretty much full time care from their mothers and I have friends who are 17 who are completely mature and independent.
I think it depends one hell of a lot on personal differences and whether someone in their own mind is going into something for a good reason.
lightlord99
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I miss it. Can't wait to rediscover it, though.
girlygrrl
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I was 21 before I tried any recreational substances, including alcohol. I still have never tried tobacco.
gorillathunder
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You'll come to quickly realize that Mormonism is but one path and that it is not the only path. That spiritual "truth" is somewhat subjective.
If Mormonism really works for you then it will probably strengthen your convictions. If you have any doubts whatsoever about it then it will probably break down your belief systems.
I have to wonder if you do have doubts because the Mormon party line is very anti-drug
Anyway I am an ex-Mormon and I went through the temple ceremonies and know just about everything there is to know about Mormons. If you want details of LSD trips from someone who knows all about the Mormon theology then drop me a PM.
Wow, that's cool to find another Mormon bluelighter here! I'd totally send you a PM but I can't (greenlighter) Anyway, WOW... I rolled at the rave last weekend and felt like I was wandering around in the "big and spacious building". Being a Mormon isn't too far different from being a JW in a sense that you look at everyone else as "the world". Now I'm doing things in "the world" and its really weird for me. I feel a lot of paranoia! For example, my experience on MDMA was so wonderful and heavenly. Yet, my experience was riddled with anxiety and paranoia because I thought that I was experiencing some God mode level shit. I had the thought that MDMA is really "Adam" like they called it. I had the idea that these were such wonderful feelings and maybe the MDMA was really tragic because doing it only allowed me to experience something I'll never feel again because I'm "sinning". Does that make sense to anyone? Is there another way to think??
girlygrrl
Bluelighter
^ I'm not mormon now, LOL. I only became mormon because my parents forced it on me, and I didn't really have a choice in the matter until I was able to get out on my own.
If you want to be religiousy, I'd consider LSD exactly like the tree of knowledge or tree of life story from the bible.
I'd consider MDMA to be like manna, that drug in particular has a very strong spiritual component to it.
I think that you graduate to bluelighter at 50 posts, so you only have three more to go.
If you want to be religiousy, I'd consider LSD exactly like the tree of knowledge or tree of life story from the bible.
I'd consider MDMA to be like manna, that drug in particular has a very strong spiritual component to it.
I think that you graduate to bluelighter at 50 posts, so you only have three more to go.
TheAppleCore
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Reminds me of my first time!
windowpaine
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That's age-ist bullshit at the very best. FWIW, I have children older than you. I was 15 the first time I tripped and it gave me insights into things that a lot of people twice my age didn't have. People are ready when they're ready and some arbitrary cutoff like 18 just that - arbitrary.
When people are ready for the sacrament it will be mind-expanding. Before that it will be fun. You can never know until afterwards when that will be.
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girlygrrl
Bluelighter
I'm anti-ageist. But if someone is still in puberty then their brain has not developed fully and it is probably best to avoid taking mind-altering substances. It's not about age discrimination, it is about physical development.
windowpaine
Bluelighter
Your brain is fully developed well before puberty. It's about your maturity level which, despite what our government would like us to think, is not something they get to decide. Some people are capable of handling it at 12, some people never are. I wasn't saying everybody should run out and trip when they're 15 but if they feel like they're ready then it's up to them.
It's certainly not up to a 23 year old to decide....
knock
Bluelighter
I don't know what you mean by a brain being fully developed well before puberty, but it's obvious cock-rot. On the macro scale perhaps but the synaptic connections and the mind-states that result are in a constant state of flux which slows down gradually as you get older.
I can tell you because I am 37 and human. Between the ages of 10 and 25 I had little idea who I was. I only really became "solid" at about 32. I tripped for my first time at 18 and carried on for a few years along with a lot of cannabis until I was about 23. It was a fuck-load of fun but I learnt very little from it and was more thrill-seeking behaviour than anything done in a spirit of spiritual/philosophical/existential inquiry. It slowed me down. Luckily I'm fast so with a period of relative abstinence I caught up.
Since achieving a grasp on "consensus reality" psychedelics are becoming important to me again but I am in a much better position to make something useful of what they have to teach and as my grasp on "reality" is firm I am much more comfortable losing my grasp - since that grasp is so familiar and well-established I can be confident of regaining it. The adult brain is actually in need of a shake up to keep it out of those mundane ruts we all get into; the adolescent brain is constantly shaken up by hormones and new experiences and adding psychedelics to the mix is in my view likely to confuse the developing human mind.
Maybe I am a freak. Maybe you are a freak. I doubt it, and I think your statement that the brain is fully developed before puberty is at best silly and at worst dangerous.
I am not saying teenagers should not trip, it's too much fun. But don't pretend you're not slowing yourself down. If you spend time outside of consensus reality you will learn less about it, no avoiding that I'm afraid.
Damien
Bluelight Crew
Hey, old man! Get out of here with all your experience and making sense and shit. We're trying to have fun! :D
windowpaine
Bluelighter
So you believe we are somehow less advanced than we were a thousand years ago? Until after the middle ages, the average life expectancy hovered around 35. People functioned as adults at 15 at the very latest. If you shelter children their emotional growth will be stunted but unless you are willing to say we have somehow devolved in the last 600 years and are now incapable of such feats, I say to you that our brains are fully developed prior to puberty.
As far as you being 37, congratulations. I was in Jr High when you were born so if we're trumping with age I guess I win, right?
If you'll look back at my original statement I think you'll find I said people are ready when they're ready. I was ready at 15, you weren't. Nobody has a right to tell anybody when that will be for them.
As far as you being 37, congratulations. I was in Jr High when you were born so if we're trumping with age I guess I win, right?
If you'll look back at my original statement I think you'll find I said people are ready when they're ready. I was ready at 15, you weren't. Nobody has a right to tell anybody when that will be for them.
knock
Bluelighter
I don't think we've changed much since a thousand years ago, but I don't know why we would have advanced, evolutionary pressures have been reducing, not increasing, in recent millennia. We are if anything more diverse a species than ever before.
I don't think life expectancy has much to do with it either. We have a longer lifespan than we used to, mostly because we have a longer adulthood, thanks to cultural and technological factors. We have a longer childhood than we used to because we generally undergo a long period of education before we are exposed to the realities of adulthood. This is a generalisation, obviously there are exceptions. Just because humans are capable of developing in such a way as to become functionally adult at 15 does not mean that most modern day humans do, or that they are fit to judge it. I thought I was functionally adult at 15. I was not. Maybe you were. You don't speak for the majority, sorry, and it's irresponsible of you to claim it.
The brain is an organ which by its very nature remains to some extent malleable in micro-structure throughout our life - the synaptic connections which allow us to form memories and to have coherent personalities. This malleability slows down as we get older but it's ridiculous to suggest that it's stopped before puberty.
What I am saying is that the organ may be fully developed in early years but as the brain is in part a storage device, it's state is in flux. LSD consumption affects this state. The susceptibility of the brain to lasting state-change reduces as we get older: "you can't teach an old dog new tricks". In order to function in society, young humans need to take advantage of this early receptiveness of the brain by absorbing what they can about the "real world". Taking LSD during this period is going to happen at the expense of that process. At best the process is not taking place while tripping. More likely it's being interfered with because psychedelic drugs produce such powerful changes in perception and thought processes.
Yes, I missed your statement about having kids older than 23. So you are perhaps in your late forties. Get a grip of your attitude then, it ill becomes your years.
You may have been ready at 15, you are special, well done. Most adolescents are not. Maybe you were not, maybe you've done yourself harm, and you just can't tell. To assume that an adolescent is fit to judge it is stupid. To proclaim it on a drug harm-reduction board visited by thousands of adolescents who are interested in drugs is worse.
Having said that, I do love acid.
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windowpaine
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My point is that you claim you were not "solid" until you were 32. Alexander ran the entire fucking known world at 22. Clearly, he was not capable of adult behavior.
Whatever. You strike me as the sort of person that thinks people are adult enough to go to foreign countries and get shit blown off of themselves for rich white people at 18 but not drink a beer until they're 21.
My premise is that you don't get to decide for other people who or what they are or when they are ready for anything. For instance, you don't get to make a decision about my attitude and whether it needs to be gripped. Since we have reached a level at which you are calling me stupid, further discourse is unlikely to be worthwhile. Have an awesome day.
Whatever. You strike me as the sort of person that thinks people are adult enough to go to foreign countries and get shit blown off of themselves for rich white people at 18 but not drink a beer until they're 21.
My premise is that you don't get to decide for other people who or what they are or when they are ready for anything. For instance, you don't get to make a decision about my attitude and whether it needs to be gripped. Since we have reached a level at which you are calling me stupid, further discourse is unlikely to be worthwhile. Have an awesome day.