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Hey guys, I am in the process of formatting an expository essay on the "grey"

world of designer steroids and prohormones. I hope I am not doing anything

wrong by asking this, and please delete my thread if I am, but what I was

wondering is if any of you guys could give me links to research on as much as

possible about anything to do with Ph's or DS. Any information will help me

alot, but preferebly legit studies,sources, and information will be the best. The

sites can be about anything to do with these substances but I am especially

interested in sites covering the legalities and ways in which the chemical

structure of these substances can be altered in order to make them legal. I

know a lot of the DS's are simply just methylated, but it would be nice to find

a legit study as a reference. Any help with this will be greatly appreciated,

Thanks
 
You'd have to sit down with a copy of the law that relates to these substances in your country (eg Misuse of Drugs act in the UK). This will clearly state what is covered by legislation. You'd also have to check for what would be considered "analogs" if the law makes any reference to it. In the states the goverment has stated that almost anything can be considered an analog (hence why all DS have suddenly dried up).

Basically all thats been happening is people have been producing substances that are not officially listed but are likely to have an effect, testing them, marketing them and selling them.

As for how you know if something will be active or not you'll need to ask a chemist. Get in touch with PA! lol
 
theartofwar said:
what's the grey area bro? all seriousness im confused on what you are asking here.
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Sorry, what I meant by the grey area is basically how close some of these substances are to being illegal. By substances I am mostly refering to PH's and designer steroids. I was just wondering where there are legit studies that can show the makeup of some of these chemical so that I can use it as legit information. It is sad to say, but most of what I know about steroids legal or not has come from forums. This is not saying that people on forums dont know that they are talking about, because a lot of them are very qualified and experienced in the subject. It is just that I cant use that kind of information for a college study since it is not accredited. I am thinking about changing the paper, lol, cause I am having a hell of a time finding the stuff I need. I never thought it would be such a challenge until our instructor stated that resources will have to be legit and accredited. I feel stupid for overlooking this.
 
Legit studies draw attention... UG labs and grey market sellers do not want/need attention....
 
as p-mo said - you wont find grey area PhD studies, only a lot of guinea pigs .. trial and error. I have countless articles on gear, affects of different steroids, health etc, if you want to take a look PM me. But as far as PH / ds go - just write that the real deal is cheaper and better =D.
 
Yeah cool, maybe Ill do that. If I cant get any legit info about PH and DS's then I can simply just shift the subject of my essay to other major points. Thanks.
 
One of the two major issues I have with PHs is the fact that there are next to no legitimate studies regarding their safety or peripheral effects or anything. Steroids have been studied extensively since the 1950's and used clinically just as long, PH's are made by some dude with some understanding of biochemistry going "well this enzyme does this to this chemical group so if I make this then thats almost like that then this enzyme will make it like that and then this that and the other so like, ima make alot of money, who cares if this other enzyme here might make it into this which could do that and then this resulting in these". People think dudes like Pat Arnold are gods or something, I personally would pay money just to have the honor of cracking the dudes noggin open with a barbell. He has no real clue what the shit hes making on paper will ultimately end up doing and what side-metabolites may be forming and what those metabolites may be doing. Hes just making money (and alot of it) and using everyone else as his guinea pigs and alot of them dont even know they are being used as guinea pigs.

My other big issue being that these PH's are sold OTC and thus being put into the easy grasp of any numbnutted uneducated kid with a body dysmorphic disorder or even a shred of vanity who wakes up one day wanting to be "buff" and 5 minutes later has ordered some Ubermutanizerdrol 6000 from the first website to popup in his google results.

Fuck Pat Arnold and all the others like him, theyre exactly what the bodybuilding community DOESNT need, fuckwads bringing more negative attention to bodybuilding.
 
Word. When I was researching the headaches i was getting I came across a post with someone complaining of similar symptoms. He said "I'd been using a supplement called m-drol for a while so I stopped that for a while and the headaches went away and started up again no problems"... Probably fried/frying his liver, cholesterol and BP and doesn't even know it....
 
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