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Magickduck

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Hello, I am writing because I've got a few questions... so I used to trip all the time. Way overused some RC's and LSD and cactus even. Went a bit crazy for a bit, still a bit of a freak but got more of a handle on myself nowadays. I've still got a bit of anxiety I'd like to try to work through on a psychedelic.... I stopped tripping for almost a year, and recently had a mushroom trip. I ate 0.3g of penis envy mushrooms, while on 5mg of methadone and had a beauitiful healing experiance, nothing too intense, not too mild. Experianced no anxiety, not sure if due to low dose or the methadone. I also have had two cactus experiances lately without any methadone, but both with very low doses of a benzo. Had a wonderful experiance both times that was very healing.

Anywho, I am considering trying about a gram of mushrooms this weekend, with no benzo or opiate. Do you think this would retrigger insanity or anxiety, or is the low dose and a good setting enough to ensure a good, gentle, calm experiance? These are not penis envy I am not sure which strain - but they appear to be of low quality.
 
If your new strain appears weak, i think it might be cubensis (that's the most popular on the market). A pic would verify that. If that's the case, 1 gram will probably be just as mild as the .3g trip you previously had, or weaker. Everyone is different in terms of anxiety, but if you're in a good mental state and a good environment that should definitely not cause any problems.
 
Crashing said:
If your new strain appears weak, i think it might be cubensis (that's the most popular on the market). A pic would verify that. If that's the case, 1 gram will probably be just as mild as the .3g trip you previously had, or weaker. Everyone is different in terms of anxiety, but if you're in a good mental state and a good environment that should definitely not cause any problems.
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I am not in the BEST mental shape - however last time I wasn't either, and it boosted my mood and obliberated my OCD thoughts/anxiety.. my anxiety may actually be entirely OCD... its intrusive thoughts about things I am terrified of, but in a psychedelic metaphor way because of my overuse of psychdelics from a young age
 
I find that combining benzo's with psychedelics completely removes all of the healing qualities of any of my trips. Sure, it makes it easier to think of uncomfortable things because they block the ability to feel anxious about them. If you take psychedelics on their own and are able to feel scared/anxious, you are forced to struggle with the issues at hand and in a much more dramatic way than you would if you were sober. Usually if I fight these uncomfortable thoughts/feelings instead of embracing them then the trip anxiety and confusion that I feel gets much worse and I am heading into a "bad" trip.

It is the heightened sense of conflict and ultimately being vulnerable and embracing the discomfort to find a resolution is where the healing power of Psychedelic drugs lie. It is a lot like Cognitive Behavioral Therapy for me, in CBT a Psychologist will put a patient in situations where they have a lot of trouble coping, (due to mental afflictions such as anxiety, PTSD etc.) and feel very uncomfortable to the point where they tend to avoid dealing with issues so that they can feel all those feelings and learn to cope with them to build a sort of tolerance to them so that in the future the patient can learn to function without the burden of their anxieties or irrational fears.

That isn't too big of a dose and yes, I would recommend not using any benzo's as a safety blanket and just see how you react to the situation and try to deal with it, see if you can move past it and have an experience that is beneficial to you. If you don't end up being able to cope then you can take a benzo to calm down.

The downside to Psychedelics is that they can act as a catalyst to help or harm your current mental state, try to view the situation objectively because maybe you can't derive anything beneficial from tripping at this point in your life and maybe these drugs will only serve to make your mental afflictions worse at this point in your life. So just be mindful of your current situation, be aware and try to be able to look at the situation objectively above all else and you will know what the right thing to do is.
 
it seems that my mental state has been caused by, and cured by psychedelics... it has been a while however, and life stressors have defintily contributed to the current state and I feel like a low dose experiance with my fiance would greatly benifit me.. at least i pray so...

this is the reason why I want to keep the dose low, because at such a low dose, the chances of it harming me are slim, but the chances of benifiting are still there
 
Will do. Do you THINK I am correct in the fact that it being slim that 1 gram could cause me much mental distress?

Good, low-dose experiances tend to put me in a manic super-happy state normally - my experiances with mushrooms specifically are limited however.
 
I am also trying to use this experiance to help program myself to no longer use opiates or benzos - quitting while I am ahead.. seen way too many people go down that path and starting to have my mind scare me about it.
 
Mushrooms tend to have the capacity to allow for deep and dark trips but it is you who will be the deciding factor as the whether or not that happens. Don't be apprehensive about it, don't over think this. Just have a good time with your fiancee and everything will be fine, if you start feeling uncomfortable then seek refuge within your fiancee's eyes, embrace them and just be.
 
Alrighty... will do. I understand this about mushrooms and have been there, but only on doses exceeding 1.7g. I doubt 1g of cubensis could cause too intense of a negative experiance.
 
Yes I agree, nobody of us can tell you what will happen. Limiting the dose would probably limit both the possible positive and negative results / consequences / effects so generally I would agree there... but the most important thing is to just have faith and to realize that there is nothing to worry about if you let go of tense feelings. Of course there are things to take into account regarding proper set and setting...

And weak? If 0.3 grams did something worthwhile I don't think they are weak at all unless that was a typo. It's 10% or less, of a common dose (1/8 oz or 3-3.5g).
 
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Yes I agree, nobody of us can tell you what will happen. Limiting the dose would probably limit both the possible positive and negative results / consequences / effects so generally I would agree there... but the most important thing is to just have faith and to realize that there is nothing to worry about if you let go of tense feelings. Of course there are things to take into account regarding proper set and setting...

And weak? If 0.3 grams did something worthwhile I don't think they are weak at all unless that was a typo. It's 10% or less, of a common dose (1/8 oz or 3-3.5g).
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Solipsis: If you reread, the 0.3g trip was on another batch of penis envys. The batch I have now I believe are cubensis and much weaker. I am considering taking a gram of these.

What is the normal equivilency between these two strains?
 
From what I ever read about the PE strains on average maybe 1.5x as strong ..tops. In the end they are still Cubensis and even with the increased potency 0.3g is just not much at all.

Mushrooms vary from batch to batch anyway, so perhaps you have particularly strong ones or you are comparing to other ones that were weak. Still be careful with assumptions about huge differences with PE as generalizations.
 
Solipsis said:
From what I ever read about the PE strains on average maybe 1.5x as strong ..tops. In the end they are still Cubensis and even with the increased potency 0.3g is just not much at all.

Mushrooms vary from batch to batch anyway, so perhaps you have particularly strong ones or you are comparing to other ones that were weak. Still be careful with assumptions about huge differences with PE as generalizations.
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It was definitly 0.3g, and this was a recommended dose for what I wanted to experiance ("a mild experiance with little to no visuals or mindfuck") from the guy who grew them. I had full on visuals at the peak though.
 
I've heard they were more like 3X as strong, with a person reporting that 1g was akin to an 1/8th trip. When you're eating a single piece though, results can vary quite a bit.

I can't really imagine by any stretch of my imagination that 1 gram of any kind of shroom would be overwhelming for anyone, though. Unless you're completely naive to it and in a horrible situation.
 
I always found that dropping the needle on the Talking Heads - Stop Making Sense record almost always takes any anxiety from tripping away, makes it quite enjoyable actually, nothing like a little David Byrne and the Talking Heads to help point out the absurdity of human nature. Guess it couldn't hurt to have a low dose of painkillers and a few beers on hand if that doesn't do the trick.
 
While technically not mushrooms, a low dose of mxe (10mg) combined with the same amount of acetylpsilcoin, was one of the most profound trips i've had, and one of the easist to operate and delve into/out of. I accomplished more in one afternoon, alone, listening to miles davis in bed after a shower during the come-up than most of my many other expirences with psychs of all flavours, dosages, settings, (everything from cactus, aya, mushrooms, lysergamide compounds in hbwr/lsa/rc seeds to synthetics like 2c-x's, mesc analouges, 4 and 5 sub tryptamines, lsd, nbomes, etc). Synergy would be a vast understatement for low dose mxe/4-aco-dmt.

Never tried it with mushrooms, but after my hiatus started a few months ago from psychs finds its natural resolution, its on the to do list.

B. Caapi vine by itself, is also quite interesting, though the bodyload can get uncomfortable at high doses. Make no mistake, it is a psychadelic alone though. Just make sure you dont got jack shit in your system to interact w/ it.

Also had sucess combining acetylpsilocin with vine only brew's. But be careful with any of the dmt's and vine, low doses can enhance and make it more workable, high doses can send you to alpha centuari and back, willingly or not.

Low dose dissassociatives can defintely be a major catalyst for psychs, though i'd stick to 4 sub trypts if you do combine, and keep your dosages low.
 
I've always found psilocybin to be the best psychedelic for depression, particularly when used regularly and long-term. It's not just the trip, it has a permanent effect on healing depression and greif.
 
^ I would agree with this. Even after an uncomfortable, confusing trip the afterglow and general mood enhancement brought about by mushrooms is always evident.
 
So just to update we did this today and had a marvelous time - was a bit anxious at points but I started my day off like that as well - and had some N2O to use during the come up and during anxious points. - much better than benzos for trip anxiety btw!! - was a very healing and special experiance... quite potent for 1g, for both of us, but I suppose we are extra sensitive.. had visuals and all. Going to try 2.5g in a few weeks!
 
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