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OT: Reliable information on illegal drugs and the effects they have on humans is some of the hardest to find information in the world. Governments who say "Just say NO" are part of the problem, because if you ask a question, all you get in reply is "Drugs are BAD, don't worry about it you don't need to know". This does not further the education process, and it makes drug information taboo.

It's no more informative to reply with "Drugs are GOOD, don't worry about it you don't need to know". That's why Bluelight exists, to actually work on some of the hard questions, rather than propagating a culture of misinformation.

BigTrancer.
 
Listen, Big Trancer, I'm gonna apologise for all my misconduct on this forum. I'm sure that no-one really takes me seriously to begin with, and I am only giving a different view point. But the fact of the matter is, tripping is very much about the mental state you are in at the time.. I'm not saying that one should not learn about drugs, on the contrary...but when you are actually using the drugs, I believe that these worries are more harmful than good. Pretty much every case of bad tripping I've seen or experienced myself was because of ppl getting anxious, paranoid, worried, etc. And when this happens, the dose of the drug ain't gonna be that much of a factor anymore. So I reckon it is a bit of harm reduction to tell ppl not too worry when they are doing the drugs..This has been misinterpretted, due to my brief use of info, but really: DON'T MAKE PPL GET SCARED!! That's one thing I've learned. I remember the first time I freaked on mushies was like this: I had about 5 grams, was having a pretty good time, looked a bit pale and fucked up though..then all these ppl are like "Are you okay?? Do you need to see a doctor?!?! Dude, you look fucked" Then all of a sudden, I started to worry and panick and my fun little rollercoaster ride became a living hell...I just don't want this to happen to others...that's all...

I have no intention of causing anyone any harm......

Peace Out

Dirty Deed
 
Dirty_Deed: Ask yourself this question...

Is it more likely someone will freak out if they have a smaller amount after careful consideration and knowledge of effects *or* someone finding a 10 gram bag of dried mushies and without understanding the effects jumping in gung-ho style and eating it all because they fear nothing?
 
Listen, knowledge of effects and the drug itself is quite important, learn about what species you have and obviously have a test try for potency. However, the original poster did have a test try, seemed to have not gotten much effect, and in that situation, taking a nice amount of the 1.5 gram+ range is not much of a risk. But howevere, even at this dose, if you are just bringing worries about mentalhealth to your actually tripping surroundings does more harm than good, that is all.........

I may have made my previous warned post a little too gung-ho as you put it...I apologise for that, but I'm just saying, even very large amounts on the first time can be enjoyed if you just want it to. It's all in the mind. Unless they are poisonous, you can't overdose......The only other advice I can give is...It's not a competition, don't try to do fucking huge amounts just because your mates are.....JUST HAVE FUN!! that's all I am saying. You don't have to be a hard cunt and down 7-8 grams in one siting, that's just nonsense....Though if you are inclined to go to that phase of tripping, I ain't gonna stop ya..and if anyone does ever want to go to that phase 5 trip, if you stay cool and actually want to have a good time, chances are, you'll have the best time of your life....Like I said, don't listen to me really: I still believe surrealthoughts gave the best reply.

Peace Out

Dirty Deed
 
On that note:
I have a friend who like his shrooms. Trouble is he seems to have a huge tolerance (not a built up tolerance, one that existed befor he first tried shrooms) On one occasion he ate a drawer full of mushrooms!!! (P. Subs.) Now I know you may or may not believe this but its true. We looked on in utter horror as he did this, anticipating a quick trip to the bin for a chuck then total insanity for a few hours. But it didnt happen, he was fine, had a greate time and didnt seem to trip anny harder than the rest of us who had only had a few grams. Now this wasnt an issolated experience he has to eat that much EVERY TIME.

Anyhow the point of this story is know YOUR limits. The only way for you to find them safely is to be very carefull and increase the dossage slowly. The other point is: dont assume that because you dont get much out of "half and ounce" (in my friends case) doesnt mean your girlfriend, friend, little brother, pet iguana, etc, etc wont.........
 
That is a very good point......I have seen exactly what you are talking about....a mate of mine ate over 300 mushrooms in one sitting and he just enjoyed every minute of it. And I only had about 6 grams and I was ga-gaa...So yeah, that isn't that unusual...ppl with strong minds seem to generally have a good tolerance to trips in general.....But I still believe anyone who just puts themselves in the right state of mind can endure anything......I have personally had a high tolerance to datura the first time and other times I did it. But it still didn't help the fact that you can go over the edge..no matter how high your limits may be...I don't want to encourage ridiculous levels of consumption...I just reckon one should be able to listen to their mind and body to judge for themselves how hard they can go....

Peace Out

Dirty Deed
 
Dirty_Deed said:
I apologise for that, but I'm just saying, even very large amounts on the first time can be enjoyed if you just want it to.
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Great. Theres harm minimisation for you. I strongly advise you to consider the recklessness content of future posts.


*bookmarks the thread*
 
Thanks for that....I will. But I'm sure ppl on this forum have enough common sense and good judgement to know what's good for themselves....There will always be dickhead remarks like the ones I've made, and I'm sure if this does not conform to someones sensibilities (In most cases not), they will disregard such info as they see fit......

Peace Out

Dirty Deed
 
While I agree wholeheartedly with your harm-minimisation sentiments Jakoz I have to say that I believe that when it comes to psilocybin first time users can handle a heady dose and not be particulary perturbed by it. In my experience psilocybin allows a kind of 'honeymoon period' during which a novice user may take doses that would frighten a seasoned veteran without any real ill-effect.

On one occassion I saw a novice consume a dose at least a third greater to the one I had just consumed, such was the dose that it left me slain beyond all comprehension, spreadeagled on the carpet unable to perceive what was going on around me. He drank the heroic dose then began to grow increasingly uncomfortable before muttering an excuse to leave. In the meantime, while I was slain beyond the point of external comprehension non compus mentis on my loungeroom floor, he still had it together enough to bring his friends back to my house and steal my bowl of weed.

My belief is that only after repeated exposure to psilocybin does one begin to understand in it's entirety the seriousness of the experience, the initial introductory experiences serve to acclimatise one to the effects of the drug. Indeed, lower doses may prove to be detrimental to a positive experience for your novice psilocybanaut.

Terrance McKenna believed that low doses of tryptamines often resulted in the unsuspecting novice to be caught in the doldrums of a psychedelic experience, that is to say they become stuck in an often repetitive mindstate and find themselves in a place they don't want to be. Whereas high doses tend to rocket the user far beyond those maniacal backwaters and take the user on rocket propelled journey that has no time for such banalities.

It is for that reason that he recommended psilocybonauts have a pre-rolled spliff on hand, so that if one does find oneself caught in such a backwater one is able to use the pot, as one might use an outboard engine on a boat, to propel oneself out of the eddy and into a definitively new current which can then be followed afresh. Indeed, he once even famously gave the advice that: When in doubt, double the dose. Only when one is slain by the power of the mushroom is its full potential revealed."
 
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just to round off the discussion related to differences between p. subs and p. australiana/eucalypta etc

here are two threads from the shroomery:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/sho...allposts&Main=1525996&Search=true#Post1530014 -lots of beautiful pics of shrooms that are sprouting in nsw and victoria.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/sho...allposts&Main=1530045&Search=true#Post1530045

it seems to point towards relations between the species but the 2nd one also notes differences become apparent when they are 100% mature, so its possible the four small shrooms you ate where possibly one of the stronger varieties.

but they are still closer related than i initially thought, thanks jimbu.
 
yeah surrealthoughts, apologies for my brashness regarding potency... it had alot to do with the fact that i had tripped so hard on only 4 small to medium ones!

i tripped almost a week later to test out the potency again, on 5 or so small ones and it wasn't even close to as hard as i tripped on the 4! from what i've read, other people have had similar experiences with varying potencies. some experienced sub users have commented on the fact that the first subs of the season wildly vary in potency.

i think the lesson to be learnt here is expect the unexpected. no matter how many you eat, be it a 'small' or 'large' dose, be prepared to be possibly skyrocketed into the unknown!
 
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