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Harm Reduction Much more efficient intranasal

Sorry gents but I UA'd the last half-dozen posts to keep this on topic and productive. There's always the lounge, various forums' social threads, PM's and someone hinted at the mod recruitment thread in here turning a bit social but we try to keep the general content on track and focused.

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para- I added the picture in the first post. I hope that's ok, if not then feel free to remove it.
 
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Wow... I've thought about this before, and the idea is ingenious. I can't wait to give it a shot!
 
OEandricearoni said:
It doesn't seem like this can really be that more efficient. When you snort something the traditional way if you make sure you don't snort too hard you really aren't wasting that much, but i suppose I'll give this a try later just because i have some bendy straws in my cupboard lol
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Yeah, whenever I snort something I don't slam it into the back of my throat, I keep it in my nose.
 
What!? I thought I was supposed to deeply inhale powder, and not lightly sniff it into my nose.... 8o just kidding
 
Totally cool, Cane.
Sexified. I like it! I'll try to make one up tomorrow and take a pic so you guys can see my ghetto fabulous crafting skills.
 
You'd actually be surprised at how much of what you snort gets into your lungs. The company that did the real leg-work and science, tested all sorts of radio-labled powders of different sizes. They have a pretty convincing set of photo's that scared me off conventional snorting for good.

Basically, if its not a pure drug and there's water insoluble cut in it (PILLS!), you can't avoid getting at least some of it deep in your lungs. That coupled with the respiratory depression of opiates, and you're looking at a breeding ground for infection.

I wish I remembered what the other company was called (I found out about this about 5 years ago) so you could see the photos, but they're probably tits up by now; when your invention can be effectively replaced with a bendy straw, you're kinda up the creek.

Gotta love the "PowderWhirl chamber" and all the sophisticated labels on whats obviously just a cut up straw.

One added convenience of this method is that you can preload a straw and cover up the ends, like in the photo. Its a very inconspicuous way of dosing in public, since it fits in the palm of your hand and only makes a quiet whistling noise which people dont associate with snorting drugs (unlike a bullet).

I've used one of these in a car (not driving) with co-workers without anyone being the wiser.
 
Has anyone tried this? I feel like it wouldn't make it more effective but just way safer seeing how if is hard to stop a snorting habit this could end up saving alot of people
 
haha I skimmed his post but didn't read all of it opps! thanks Pegasus, I think that lil bit of methadone syrup and weed has me leaning.

so docs-docs how was it? Was it anymore effective or did it hit you the same?
 
Alice I would assume its not any different feeling than insufflating the 'traditional' way since it is still the same ROA, in your nose. It is just more of a safety precaution for your lungs and maaaybe you could get a little extra that would've normally been lost but, it is probably a small enough amount to be insignificant.
 
yeah thats what I was figuring, no real boost just safer esp since most people that snort always snort there doses
 
You really have to try it for yourself to feel the difference. Subjectively, it might enhance the effects of some things, definitely enhances the rush of certain substances, also allows a person to effectively do MASSIVE lines in one puff. I haven't noticed any dangerous increase to potency or anything, its just... better. Definitely healthier for your lungs.

The first time you do it, it feels a little like you're blasting it right into your brain, but dont worry about it. Expect a little pain, like the first time you snorted something cause you're hitting like 95% virgin territory in there.

Its not like you've got anything to lose, so you might as well give it a whirl.
 
good in theory but ineffective in practice.....?

Hey all,

So my friend's nose is severely damaged after a decade+ of abuse and whenever he snorts something, the majority of the powder goes right to his throat, so this technique intrigued him. He just tried it out and had a few comments, anyone please feel free to comment, or offer whatever advice / tips you feel are relevant;

1) The biggest issue my friend had with this method, was that when he tried it, a relatively large cloud of fine powder came shooting right back out of the nostril he put the straw into. It appeared that the powder went into his nostril, and then 20-40% didn't stick to any membranes / tissue, but instead was circulated around his nasal conchae (sic?) or whatever it is that snorted drugs are absorbed by, and then forced back out of his nostril due to the air blowing out of the straw....
(Imagine blowing into a cup, the air goes into the cup and then comes right back out into your face b/c the cup was already filled with air to begin w/. In contrast, had that cup had a hole in it, one could blow into the cup and no air would come back out towards the face, the air blown in would replace the air already in the cup)

Anyway, he came up with the following theory and would greatly appreciates any comments, or advise people have to offer:
When my friend tried this method, one nostril was open, the other completely stuffed---completely...so he believes that this straw method is just like the cup analogy. If one nostril is blocked, the air being blown in has nowhere to go except back out, blowing powder back out with it. But, if the other nostril was clear, then the air would travel into one nostril, out the other, and deposit the powder inside the nose along the way.

BOTTOM LINE: unless both nostrils are clear/open enough for air to travel in and out easily, this method will cause large amounts of powder to be wasted.

2) How does one load the powder into the straw? Via the end inserted into the nose, or via the end inserted into the mouth? Or does it not matter?

3) Also, what about the issue of moisture (saliva / spit) accumulating inside the straw? After 1 use, my friend noticed a significant amount of moisture inside the straw, he wasn't sloppy etc...and really couldn't have blown into the straw any "drier" than he did. He didn't re-use that straw as he feared that the residual moisture would cause the powder to get stuck to the inside of the straw instead of it going cleanly into his nose.
So, to minimize any loss of powder, should one, or MUST one, use a new, dry straw every time?

Thanks in advance
 
1. I guess I left this out or didn't make it totally clear. The other nostril should be left OPEN, not blocked as if you were snorting something, or that will happen; the air needs to go somewhere, and part of the efficiency of the method is that it goes out the other nostril, so its basically like snorting with both nostrils. In one, out the other.

Another thing that could be a problem is that youre not getting a good enough seal inside the nostril. You need to wrap up the nose end of the straw with something (ideally Parafilm, but tape and clingwrap will work). The goal is to make something that covers the sharp edges of the straw, prevents it from going right up into your sinuses, and creates a seal to keep everything in the sinus.

The wrap can be made as thick as you can fit up your nose.

Also, if you blow really hard, the powder will just blow right out of your other nostril. You have so much more force with this method that you really just need to exhale.

2. The powder is loaded into the straw from the mouth end- the other end should have a ball surrounding the opening that will make it hard to load. You can actually shape the mouth end like a little scoop to make it easier.

3. This is an issue. I tend to aim for single doses because of this, but an easy way to dry it out between doses is to breath IN through it while EMPTY. This will dry it out in a few breaths
 
1. I guess I left this out or didn't make it totally clear. The other nostril should be left OPEN, not blocked as if you were snorting something, or that will happen; the air needs to go somewhere, and part of the efficiency of the method is that it goes out the other nostril, so its basically like snorting with both nostrils. In one, out the other.

Another thing that could be a problem is that youre not getting a good enough seal inside the nostril. You need to wrap up the nose end of the straw with something (ideally Parafilm, but tape and clingwrap will work). The goal is to make something that covers the sharp edges of the straw, prevents it from going right up into your sinuses, and creates a seal to keep everything in the sinus.

The wrap can be made as thick as you can fit up your nose.

Also, if you blow really hard, the powder will just blow right out of your other nostril. You have so much more force with this method that you really just need to exhale.

2. The powder is loaded into the straw from the mouth end- the other end should have a ball surrounding the opening that will make it hard to load. You can actually shape the mouth end like a little scoop to make it easier.

3. This is an issue. I tend to aim for single doses because of this, but an easy way to dry it out between doses is to breath IN through it while EMPTY. This will dry it out in a few breaths
 
this is a cool technique. instead of wrapping the end of the straw with whatever you put up there, i used an ear bud from my headphones lol. it came with interchangeable rubber ear pieces. so i put the smalleest sized one on the end of my straw and it plugged it up good, no air comin out that way. thanks for the tip doc. and ppl if you got ear buds with rubbery ear pieces, take it off and use that it works likea charm. ill post pics if anyone wants
 
Thank you for the advise, but I guess I need to clarify my 1st question as well...it wasn't that my friend closed his other nostril as one does when snorting normally, his nostril was clogged as if he had a cold...I'm talking about sever congestion where NO air could go in or out. When that is the case, is this method futile?
 
Well it just so happens that my friend was sniffing Ritalin while reading this thread and had a bendy straw right in front of me! It does work well but takes a little practice with fine dust as some can escape in a cloud if you blow too hard. Absorption is much better and is a nice little trick.
 
Also, an even simpler method is to get a Nasal Aspirator or Bulb Aspirator, Booger sucker whatever you want to call it and just draw in your dose via suction, but the end with tweezers or a clip, tap your product back into the neck and give er shit.

I just tried this and it works great. You don't lose your product, maybe very little to the inside of the bulb. and you don't need to blow your own breath back in your sinuses.

Whatever method used, I now prefer assisted delivery :D
 
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^that nasal aspirator idea sounds like it has real potential...my only concern (which you mentioned) would be powder getting stuck inside the bulb, especially in the case of fine powders, and powders that tend to stick to plastic such as powdered heroin (thus why it often is packaged in wax / "glassine" (sic?) Bags instead of a traditional plastic bag. What about using an empty eye dropper bottle instead? That way one could see what's happening inside since it is transparent, and could seemingly be cut open and scraped for any remaining powder? Only thought would be that the opening is too small to effectively suck up and shoot out the powder....
Any thoughts?
 
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