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Muammar - Don't shoot me? Kim Jong Il's droppin' bass and pills

StoneHappyMonday said:
You said 'direct cause'.

Don't move the goalposts.

Plus....this wasn't about regime change. They kept telling us that 3 months ago.
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I wasn't intentionally moving any goal posts. What I meant all along by direct cause, was a direct cause that would justify invasion. As it stood all those things just meant that whenever we got the chance we were going to fuck him up. Lockerbie, if it could have been properly proven to have been funded and sanctioned by Gaddafi would definitely have been a direct cause though.
 
There was a time when Muammar was everybody's darling. He made it, as MSB notes, that every Libyan had a share in the national wealth and the 'third way' of his 'little green book' was taken seriously by western intellectuals as a philosophy for the future. Where'd it all go wrong?

His 'anti-imperialism' and open funding of the IRA and other 'peoples revolutionary groups' made him powerful enemies. The artificial nature of the Libyan 'state' - a creation of western cartologists that lumped together east, west and desert in defiance of traditional rivalries unreconciled since the Middle Ages - left him vulnerable to the campaigns of skilled and well funded black propagandists. When his sons came of age, he took a back seat and, in effect, the blame for their excesses and those of ill-qualified family and 'tribe' members elevated to high positions. Like all Arabs, he would never go against blood and, as time passed, became increasingly 'paranoid'. To the new generations he appeared the archtypical tyrant despot and the media explosion encouraged their rebellion against the 'old guard'. And, crucially, the west got involved. No regime on earth could stand up to the kind of NATO assault we've seen over the past months.

And this alone gives cause for thought. Whatever the unspoken popular resentment, I wonder just how much the hotpotch of western agents, Islamics, Gadaffi deserters and young angries that formed the rebel forces represented the 'will of the people'. Will whichever faction emerges triumphant from the (already considerable) infighting to rule the new Libya still need its foreign friends in the sky to enforce its popular mandate? Will history be kinder to the fallen Colonel than the Sunday editorials? Time will tell.
 
Great post Charlie. Time will indeed tell, but I don't like the precedents as far as the aftermath of 'regime change' goes.
 
Its worrying that the new regieme is based on a lie , you know the one about Muammar being killed by a stray bullet.
Not executed as is blatantly obvious to the whole world .
 
brimz said:
Its worrying that the new regieme is based on a lie , you know the one about Muammar being killed by a stray bullet.
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Not exactly a very good or effective lie though if random people on a drugs internet forum can see through it...
 
The other day I saw newspaper headlines that read "Gaddafi - Coward till the very end". That really disgusted me, have we really lost so much respect for human life? I don't care who he was, he lived a life and that should be respected in death.
 
J.Wallace said:
The other day I saw newspaper headlines that read "Gaddafi - Coward till the very end". That really disgusted me, have we really lost so much respect for human life? I don't care who he was, he lived a life and that should be respected in death.
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That was propaganda at its ugliest. A coward would have been poolside with his whores and his billions in Caracas or Phuket months ago. Gadaffi may have been many things but chickenshit he wasn't.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
When do they ever lie well?

"Saddam has the capability to attack Britain within 45 minutes..."
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Tellingly, people did believe it at the time. Citizens just don't expect democratically elected leaders to look straight at the camera and lie through their teeth. Blair subsequently claimed he'd been 'misinformed' and it wasn't his fault. Never was, was it? Possibly the vainest fraud ever to lead the Labour Party.
 
Latest video of Gaddaffi has him being kicked and punched and dragged by the hair. He takes it well tho - no begging for his life as far as I can see. Looks a bit Christ-like to be honest :D
 
The first boat I owned I called Muammar Gaddafi I had it done in Arabic script, silver on a black background, a right bitch she turned out to be and I wasnt sorry to see the back of her, but I guess I am going to miss the Colenel though a throwback to an other era.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
"Saddam has the capability to attack Britain within 45 minutes..."
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"Nuclear, biological, chemical..."

blair_smile_eu.jpg
 
Don't trust anyone who shakes your hand with a fixed grin.

This all reads like a bad B-movie, KILL THE BOGEYMAN!!,BOGEYMAN MUST DIE!! (invasion of the camel jockeys)

There is a definite trend developing here,Hussein,Gaddafi,who's next?

Bin Laden don't count. The only image i recall seeing looked like he'd been slapped around the face with a deep pan meat feast.
 
Imagine the Arab and African countries had the power to wipe out world leaders when they felt like it; Bush, Blair, Obama, Cameron, Sarkozy etc would be on the hit list I'm sure.
 
Was reading earlier in the week about Sudan and Qatar providing military support to the Libyan rebels, Sudan apparently to get back at Gadaffi for supporting Sudanese rebels but Qatars motives aren't quite clear.

The Qatari chief-of-staff, Major-General Hamad bin Ali al-Atiya, said: "We were among them and the numbers of Qataris on the ground were hundreds in every region. Training and communications had been in Qatari hands. Qatar … supervised the rebels' plans because they are civilians and did not have enough military experience," AFP quoted him as saying. "We acted as the link between the rebels and Nato forces."

Qatari special forces are reported to have provided infantry training to Libyan fighters in the western Nafusa mountains and in eastern Libya. Qatar's military even brought Libyan rebels back to Doha for exercises. And in the final assault on Gaddafi's Bab al-Aziziya compound in Tripoli in late August, Qatari special forces were seen on the frontline. Qatar also gave $400m to the rebels, helped them export oil from Benghazi and set up a TV station in Doha.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/26/qatar-troops-libya-rebels-support
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Qatar is one of the richest countries in the world, has plenty of oil and gas, and no apparent grudge with Gadaffi so why were they so keen to get involved?
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
When do they ever lie well?

"Saddam has the capability to attack Britain within 45 minutes..."
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I'm fairly certain it was our military bases on Cyprus that they lied could be hit by Iraqi missiles within 45 minutes, not Britain.

Still a crock of shit either way like.
 
The RZA said:
I'm fairly certain it was our military bases on Cyprus that they lied could be hit by Iraqi missiles within 45 minutes, not Britain.

Still a crock of shit either way like.
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Yep, doesn't alter the fact Blair was, and remains a vain, lying toad.
 
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