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Muammar - Don't shoot me? Kim Jong Il's droppin' bass and pills

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Ismene

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Bit disappointed in Gaddaffi's last words - "Don't shoot me". He talked a good game about going out defiantly but when it came down to it, it was a damp squib.

At least Saddam came out with a couple of zingers while he was on the gallows. When everyone was jeering him and shouting for Moqtada he laughed to himself and said "Fucking Moqtada" and when the hangman said "You have ruined Iraq" he replied "Get to fuck".
 
Gotta love a bolshie Dictator Issy, Saddam went out flipping the bird I'll give him that.

I heard Gaddaffi also said ""what have I ever done to you?" just before he took one in the head.
 
All might not be lost tho - just read that when they were dragging him out of the drainpipe and putting the shoe into him one shouted "Gaddaffi do you know right from wrong?" and G just said "Shut up Dog" :D
 
Saddam went out in true dictator style. Gadaffi went out in a manner that wouldn't be fitting for a pussy politician like David Cameron.
 
Jokes aside at work today I saw the footage of them dragging him off the truck and laying into him, to be honest it made me feel sick to the core, I know he was a tyrant and evil man, but knowing he is dead is good enough for me, seeing being beaten to death is something I dont need to see, and had to walk away...
 
I saw the footage of them dragging him off the truck and laying into him, to be honest it made me feel sick to the core, I know he was a tyrant and evil man, but knowing he is dead is good enough for me, seeing being beaten to death is something I dont need to see, and had to walk away...
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I agree its unpleasant. But one thing I watched always sticks in my mind and it was the beheading of them 2 americans; Jack Hensley and Eugene Armstrong. After watching that I felt physically sick. If I remember right I might have been directed to that from bluelight. It was years ago and long precedes my join date, but I lurked around here for ages before posting.
 
Ismene said:
All might not be lost tho - just read that when they were dragging him out of the drainpipe and putting the shoe into him one shouted "Gaddaffi do you know right from wrong?" and G just said "Shut up Dog" :D
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I read it was Gadaffi asking the rebels if they knew right from wrong, saying it was unislamic and they called him the dog in return. So doesn't look like he even got a good phrase out before he was executed. You have to wonder why he didn't flee into the desert some time ago, must have been possible for him to slip away into a neighbouring country some of which has friendly dictators who he has good relations with, failing that he could have snuck off on a private jet to Venezuela, Chavez was reported to be mourning Gadaffis loss and calling his murder an outrage. Way to isloate yourself even further mate, pretty much the whole world was against Gadaffi.

Strange that they fought right to the bitter end like this when they could have escaped or came to a peace agreement some time ago, it's been obvious for a while Gadaffi and his allies days were outnumbered so why fight right down to less than a hundred men when you're facing the rest of the country with their big cousin Nato backing them up. Was Gadaffi and his gang so delusional they thought they could actually still win this?
 
Good question. I'd doubt it. But if he'd scarpered abroad, you can imagine the comments and Gadaffi was a proud man, I don't think he would have been able to take the derision. Better he stayed, wherever it ended. Probably wasn't figuring on extra-judicial executioners in an ambulance; Saddam didn't look too sharp at the moment of capture, either.

And remember, it's neither as we are told or over. There are Libyans who will be mourning Gadaffi's death, albeit quietly, and, with an uncertain future after a 'revolution' that simply wouldn't have happened without NATO, there may be more in a year or five. Especially if there are moves to make it an Islamic state. Depends which faction of the fighters comes out on top in the coming months.

And as for the forces of liberation, where will they go next? Zimbawbe? Syria? Guinea-Bissau? Ooops, sorry, dictators and oppressed citizens but no oil.
 
Ismene said:
Bit disappointed in Gaddaffi's last words - "Don't shoot me". He talked a good game about going out defiantly but when it came down to it, it was a damp squib.
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Sounds like pure propaganda to me. Dress the man up into a tyrant, bomb a country for 'humanitarian' reasons. Make him sound like a coward at the end. How we love to swallow the sweet media fed soundbites without question. Goebbels would be proud.
 
Gadaffi seemed more of a coward than a proud man to me, I'd have thought he'd prefer to be alive than dead. I do wonder how this will all pan out now there's no Gadaffi to gun for, definitely can't see the NTC being able to reign everyone in and keep things running smoothly. How do you disarm everyone, there's guns absolutely everywhere, every boy over the age of 16 is heavily armed and probably not that keen to give away their new toys. Rival fractions, islamists, different tribes, could all go a bit mental. I hope not and they make a great success of it but they don't know what democracy, freedom of speech, politics, elections etc are so how will they cope. Going to be interesting.
 
Gadaffi seemed more of a coward than a proud man to me
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No offence Spadey, but did you know the guy personally, or are you judging a man through the lens of the western media? I expect it is the latter.

What happens to Libya after Gadaffi and what happens to Iraq after Hussein has been shown to be of no real consequence. With over 100,000 documented civilian deaths in Iraq due to violence, Libya can look forward to a bright future.
 
Bluebell said:
Jokes aside at work today I saw the footage of them dragging him off the truck and laying into him, to be honest it made me feel sick to the core, I know he was a tyrant and evil man, but knowing he is dead is good enough for me, seeing being beaten to death is something I dont need to see, and had to walk away...
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said something similar to this myself in one of the other threads. I haven't seen any of the footage because I have no desire to see it and I wont watch it ever most likely.
 
tragiclemming said:
No offence Spadey, but did you know the guy personally, or are you judging a man through the lens of the western media? I expect it is the latter.

What happens to Libya after Gadaffi and what happens to Iraq after Hussein has been shown to be of no real consequence. With over 100,000 documented civilian deaths in Iraq due to violence, Libya can look forward to a bright future.
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I know him personally. 8)

I watch BBC, Press TV, Al-Jazeera, Russia Today so I take my opinion from those.
 
The BBC, Al Jazeera and Russia Today stations all have host countries with an eye on that lovely oil. I wouldn't defend Gadaffi for a second but this was a NATO war and the media was conscripted into service; brutal Gadaffi forces massacred, heroic rebels took justified revenge; Gadaffi planes bombed innocent civilians, NATO planes protected Libyan air space. We don't know a tenth of what went down.

The Times fellow, just back after 6 months away from Western Libya, reports 'the man in the street' now cheers the new leaders as he then cheered Gadaffi, and curses Gadaffi as 6 months ago he cursed the then rebel leaders. Love the king, hope his soldiers let you be to raise a dollar, is the public opinion of the poor Arab.
 
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