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Most visual research chemical?

I recall 2C-T-7 providing the most intense visuals from any 2C-X drug that I've done. 2C-E however, I think since I've done it a lot more and pushed the dose a little bit more, I've had some really really crazy visual times with that one.

I think my most crazy visual I've ever had though, was from eating a quarter of mushrooms, back when I was 16. Actually, there was another time when I mixed MDMA, 2C-D, and ketamine, and that produced extremely thick visuals through which i could not see at all. Interestingly, both of these times both had LOTS of eyeballs everywhere. I guess once you start seeing' eyeballs, you've definitely done a lot of drugs.
 
ravemau5 said:
yea, i did 25mg for the first time, i did not start with a low dose like you should. Never whited out again after that, even when going up to 35mgs. I can't wait to give it another try.
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I wouldn't consider 25mg of 4-aco-dmt a high dose.
 
Paul Muad Dib said:
4-ho-met, for me, is the most visual psychedelic around. I haven't tried everyone out there, but I can say this much, that in my experience 4-ho-met is a lot more visual than 2c-b. Also the visuals are very "clear" and crisp. I have walked on a carpet of ploating diamonds, while small universes grew out of whispering roses (completely in symbiosis with them!), and the sea in the background, which had dimensions in space that cannot be given a fair explanation in words, was the dancingfloor of giant, transparant shadows, that hugged and moved with grace. All the while my mindset was very good, and I had no delusions, so I took it to be only visuals. 4-ho-met has a rumour of being very mild, psychologically. This should not be exagerated! It goes in waves, so it gives an impression that you are in more control than you are. The effects are not as mindshattering as a highdose of mushrooms, for instance, but here lies some of the trickery. When it goes down the wrong lane the terror is much more "real" and horrible, IMO.
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Yup you're right, but the bodyload is a bit concerning (heart-rate, shaking, coldness... ect)
 
HofmannBlotter said:
Yup you're right, but the bodyload is a bit concerning (heart-rate, shaking, coldness... ect)
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You think it is that bad? I get tremor and minor cramps in the legs. My stomach goes absolutely nutts on it. Totally overstimulates the gastrointestinal system. I think it is because of mild serotonine syndrome. Do you think the activity is semidangerous? Or do you mean that it is annoying? I know people have done crazy doses of 4-ho-met and come out sane and healthy.
 
I had some issue with 4-HO-MET especially in the chest / heart area, a friend of mine reported this aswell. The 4-HO-MET come from a trusted source. We all two suffers from heart palpitations and a strange breathing, some hypoxia aswell (blue nails, blue lips) a bit freaky you know... Face become whiteish, shaking and stuff. I heard that 4-HO-MET have some kind of serotonine syndrome.
 
Paul Muad Dib said:
You think it is that bad? I get tremor and minor cramps in the legs. My stomach goes absolutely nutts on it. Totally overstimulates the gastrointestinal system. I think it is because of mild serotonine syndrome. Do you think the activity is semidangerous? Or do you mean that it is annoying? I know people have done crazy doses of 4-ho-met and come out sane and healthy.
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It is not serotonin syndrome, 4-ho-met does not release serotonin and cannot cause the syndrome on its own. I know serotonin syndrome is the new buzzword for anyone who feels uncomfortable on serotonergic drugs, but it is patently ridiculously how much this term is getting used and how inappropriately.
 
ebola? said:
There are two distinct criteria one could readily use for "most visual drug":
1. drug with the highest ratio of visual effects to other effects or
2. drug with the most vivid visual effects at a strong but generally tolerable dose.

ebola
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Right. Almost any 4-sub-tryptamine or 2c-x DOx psychedelic will be astoundingly visual... if you take enough of it to potentially endanger your physical frame.

RCs with an acceptable ratio of (at least somewhat impressive) visuals to side effects at reasonable doses in my experience include: 4-ho-MiPT, DOC, 4-aco-DMT, 4-aco-MiPT, 2C-E, 2C-I

That is a short list based on my experience and selecting the ones I prefer out of the approximately four dozen substances I have taken (many of which are illegal and can't be counted here) I have not tried many of the newer ones including any of the 25x-nbome substances
 
What about good old 2C-B?

I had the most impressive VisualRide of my life with 25mg. And N2O 8o
 
Really? I get veeerrry light, if any, visuals from 2C-B. Kind of like 18mg 2C-I. They're there but they don't arrest your attention.

-edit- Oops, in response to DickTate.
 
For visual activity all in all I think dissociative + psychedelic combo's like ketamine + DMT are the most astonishing 3D inner world type of thing, but for research chems,

3.5mg DOC with a couple hits of pot had me seeing my friends tattoos crawl off his arms and onto a nearby lamp, accompanied by Escher like cities and formations emerging form the ceiling.

Also 3.5mg dose of DOI created a very unique and strange "visual flanging" type effect, stripes of white and black would twist and wind over objects around me, flashing back and forth like strobe lights. Walking though a parking lot the pavement would fall into whirl pool like sinkholes that would have an eye at the bottom. An amazing substance, if you want to be forced to be awake for 30 hours!

Although I have to say the strongest visual effect I've had from any research chemical was 4-Aco-DPT at I think about 180 or 200mg, its pretty weak weight wise. For the first two and a half hours or so of the trip I felt a bit spaced out and strange, visual glow but not many patterns or warping. Suddenly at three hours the visuals amplified, i was looking across the room at a white wall, and the wall seemed to open up like I could see through it like a window. First I saw two mechanical type beings made of cords and neon tubes. Soon the wall seemed to open up into a huge matrix of endless tubes, neon and glowing, and some kind of wires/ tentacles seemed to stretch out toward me. This lasted for about 45 minutes and suddenly went away returning to the pervious state.

I think it's really impossible to tell which RC is the ost visual seeing as psychedelics are so dependent on dosage, set and setting, someone could be seeing fractal foam machine aliens on the same dose that someone else is just seeing a slight amplification of color in a different set and setting. Although some do have a higher likleyhood of being more visual. 2C-e and 2C-P are pretty well known for this as far as 2C's go.
 
Many have been extremely visual but 4-HO-MiPT seems to be the winner so far for me. There's something very unique in the visuals, they're more clearly defined than other 4-subbed tryptamines and also the CEV's are the most less generic. I've seen angels, aliens, planets, the universe and demons on moderately high doses. OEV's consists of fractals sometimes so intense everything I see is evaporated and disintegrated into a "fractal smoke". The visuals on 4-HO-MET are quite generic although strong, 4-AcO-DMT comes quite close to 4-HO-MiPT but still being distinct, and 4-HO/ACO-DPT is not as visual although it is the most spiritual of these for me.

LSD and 25C have strong visuals but not as beautiful and awe-inspiring as 4-HO-MiPT. Just to name a few.
 
Penthos said:
Really? I get veeerrry light, if any, visuals from 2C-B. Kind of like 18mg 2C-I. They're there but they don't arrest your attention.

-edit- Oops, in response to DickTate.
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2c-i was pretty visual for me both times I ingested it. Both times I took 20mg.

25C-Nbome was pretty visual at 2100-2800 micrograms. I say between those because I ingested it via nasal spray and the last spray was pretty weak.

2c-e at 25mg combined with cannabis was incredibly visual for me. I would say it is the most visual of the psychedelic rc's I've tried.
 
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ravemau5 said:
4-aco-dmt gave me the most amazing visuals at 25mg to the point where i whited-out (open eyes or closed, everything was white).
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Interesting -- I've had the exact same experience with a big dose of 4-aco-dmt + 2ce + 2ci. The most insane visuals of my life culminating in a white fog of meaninglessness.

I have to say that 2ce + a smaller booster of 4-aco-dmt gives me consistently great visuals.

2ci and 2ce on their own probably give me the best visuals of their class.
 
I've snorted around 15-20mg of 2c-e and it gave me visuals so strong reality was literally ripping apart, and my furniture was making facial expressions at me. Never before have I taken such a visual drug.
 
2C-E is literally the only research chemical I've tried, but I must say, it was hella visual. :D
 
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