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most therapeutic drug?

csrpj

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let's talk about the drugs with the highest therapeutic value.

the psychs definitely come to mind:

shrooms
acid
mescaline/cactus
lsa
smoked dmt
ayahuasca
changa
salvia
iboga/ibogaine (btw curious about difference in terms of effects)

but there's also mdma... though i rather steer the discussion towards other substances, to be honest.

what about dissociatives ? what about the combo of psychedelics + dissociatives for therapeutic value?

etc...? what drug or combo drugs do you find to hold the greatest therapeutic value, and why?
 
i guess an experience that assists you in getting over emotional issues. healing.

it can be, for example, b/c of a super spiritual experience where you feel super good and carry that with you for way after the experience, or it can be b/c the experience let you analyze your issues more objectively.
 
Penicillin.

or if i were to guess at what you mean, I'd say Shrooms or LSD used in the right context, in the right way, by the right person.
 
you mean as in a veteran of the gulf war, with PTSD, can have psilocybin or MDMA treatment
in a psychotherapy context,
and come away better from it, ie "cured" of their PTSD?


& GZero- penicillin has absolutely no therapuetic benefits. it kills germs.
and it kills me (one tiny iota of penicillin would render me DEAD)
 
penicillin?? haha nice. no but clean molly, lsd, shrooms, dxm are all pretty solid options.
 
Cannabis.


DEA Administrative LAW JUDGE FRANCIS L. YOUNG:
NSFW:
OPINION AND RECOMMENDED RULING said:
3. The most obvious concern when dealing with drug safety is the possibility of lethal effects. Can the drug cause death?

4. Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal effects. But marijuana is not such a substance. There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality.

5. This is a remarkable statement. First, the record on marijuana encompasses 5,000 years of human experience. Second, marijuana is now used daily by enormous numbers of people throughout the world. Estimates suggest that from twenty million to fifty million Americans routinely, albeit illegally, smoke marijuana without the benefit of direct medical supervision. Yet, despite this long history of use and the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers, there are simply no credible medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a single death.

6. By contrast aspirin, a commonly used, over-the-counter medicine, causes hundreds of deaths each year.

7. Drugs used in medicine are routinely given what is called an LD-50. The LD-50 rating indicates at what dosage fifty percent of test animals receiving a drug will die as a result of drug induced toxicity. A number of researchers have attempted to determine marijuana's LD-50 rating in test animals, without success. Simply stated, researchers have been unable to give animals enough marijuana to induce death.

8. At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around

1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is contained in onemarijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.

9. In practical terms, marijuana cannot induce a lethal response as a result of drug-related toxicity.

10. Another common medical way to determine drug safety is called the therapeutic ratio. This ratio defines the difference between a therapeutically effective dose and a dose which is capable of inducing adverse effects.

11. A commonly used over-the-counter product like aspirin has a therapeutic ratio of around 1:20. Two aspirins are the recommended dose for adult patients. Twenty times this dose, forty aspirins, may cause a lethal reaction in some patients, and will almost certainly cause gross injury to the digestive system, including extensive internal bleeding.

12. The therapeutic ratio for prescribed drugs is commonly around 1:10 or lower. Valium, a commonly used prescriptive drug, may cause very serious biological damage if patients use ten times the recommended (therapeutic) dose.

13. There are, of course, prescriptive drugs which have much lower therapeutic ratios. Many of the drugs used to treat patients with cancer, glaucoma and multiple sclerosis are highly toxic. The therapeutic ratio of some of the drugs used in antineoplastic therapies, for example, are regarded as extremely toxic poisons with therapeutic ratios that may fall below 1:1.5. These drugs also have very low LD-50 ratios and can result in toxic, even lethal reactions, while being properly employed.



14. By contrast, marijuana's therapeutic ratio, like its LD-50, is impossible to quantify because it is so high.

15. In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume. For example, eating ten raw potatoes can result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce death.

16. Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within a supervised routine of medical care."

http://ccguide.org/young88.php
 
i know it's not one that you stated. but i really like 2c-e because it gives me the ability to "step outside" of my life and look at it with no emotions or attachments, which I find very useful for taking a different perspective on my life. It is difficult to look at situations without emotion, I find 2c-e helps me to do that.
I also must say MDMA because it has overall made me a much more positive person and I have found meeting new people to be a lot easier since my first experience.
 
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DXM used to be very therapeutic for me. When I used to dex I would feel more confident, connected to others, and feel like everything in the long run was going to be ok. For some reason once I stopped using antidepressants though the high stopped being as euphoric and the nausea became more pronounced. That's why I very seldom use it any more. I do miss my good buddy Dexter though. I was great friends with him for years.

ps, Just because mixing DXM with ssri's was a good combo for me does NOT necessarilly mean it will be good for you. DO NOT mix them.
 
DXM used to be very therapeutic for me. When I used to dex I would feel more confident, connected to others, and feel like everything in the long run was going to be ok. For some reason once I stopped using antidepressants though the high stopped being as euphoric and the nausea became more pronounced. That's why I very seldom use it any more. I do miss my good buddy Dexter though. I was great friends with him for years.

ps, Just because mixing DXM with ssri's was a good combo for me does NOT necessarilly mean it will be good for you. DO NOT mix them.

would you just feel that way when on the dex + afterglow, or would that confidence/connection last for way longer after the DXM exits your system? in general this thread is for experiences which create or catalyze long-lasting positive effects. DXM tends to be a good-while-on-it drug... so quite curious if it was different for you than for most people.
 
For me, the most therapeutic experiences have been with rather low doses and more emotionally tinted, less directly cognitive drugs such as 2C-B and 5-MeO-MiPT. Set and setting is of supreme importance, though.
 
For me, the most therapeutic experiences have been with rather low doses and more emotionally tinted, less directly cognitive drugs such as 2C-B and 5-MeO-MiPT. Set and setting is of supreme importance, though.

very interested in theraputic use of 2cb. can you explain more? what set/setting do you think is best with 2cb, and what about dosage?
 
very interested in theraputic use of 2cb. can you explain more? what set/setting do you think is best with 2cb, and what about dosage?

Well, my experience with 2C-B is very small and I'm sure others can help you more.

I've only done it 3 times, at 15 mg twice (oral and nasal) and 30 mg once (a combination of oral and nasal). At these dosages you will not get overwhelmed but instead you will be completely lucid in the headspace, while still delightfully detached from normal boundaries of thought and personality - more in tune with yourself as a subject rather than the social conditioning and identity forming which probably permeate your thinking in day-to-day life. The lack of the push or anxiety (not to mention confusion) that might come with a bigger dose makes self-observance and analysis more intuitive and natural.

My best experience with 2C-B was in a dimly lit flat with a friend and some mellow music. A rave was also great, but only because I was lucky enough to find some other docile trippers. Overall, I'd say that the experience of 2C-B is slightly less dependant on set and setting than those of other comparable drugs that I've sampled.

It is of course highly likely that one might accustom oneself to bigger dosages, thus harvesting the full psychedelic potential, but I think that in general, in the psychedelic community, emphasis is put too much on increasingly higher dosages and too little on the value of the actual experience.
 
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would you just feel that way when on the dex + afterglow, or would that confidence/connection last for way longer after the DXM exits your system? in general this thread is for experiences which create or catalyze long-lasting positive effects. DXM tends to be a good-while-on-it drug... so quite curious if it was different for you than for most people.

That's a very good question. Generally I felt great while on it and the day after. Though my mood was better back in the days I dexed often, that could have also been the ssri's I was on too. Now I take st john's wort and my mood isn't quite as good even with the dex. I'm trying to avoid going back on psych meds though for as long as possible.
 
Any "full spectrum" psychedelic. That is, any psychedelic for which reports frequently cite visions, empathy, and ego dissolution in addition to visuals and euphoria. Certainly there are individual exceptions, but if we want to discuss what drug is likely to be most therapeutic in general only analysis of a wide array of reports is going to be meaningful. I've read numerous reports of the following substances catalyzing significant personal experiences and lasting change:

LSD, psilocin, 4-AcO-DMT, DMT (particularly orally with an MAOI), DPT, mescaline, and 2C-E. I'm probably missing a few but these are the powerhouses.
 
Any "full spectrum" psychedelic. That is, any psychedelic for which reports frequently cite visions, empathy, and ego dissolution in addition to visuals and euphoria. Certainly there are individual exceptions, but if we want to discuss what drug is likely to be most therapeutic in general only analysis of a wide array of reports is going to be meaningful. I've read numerous reports of the following substances catalyzing significant personal experiences and lasting change:

LSD, psilocin, 4-AcO-DMT, DMT (particularly orally with an MAOI), DPT, mescaline, and 2C-E. I'm probably missing a few but these are the powerhouses.

It's funny how your opinion seems to be almost opposite to mine... But then again my view is a personal exception. I agree that a full spectrum psychedelic will be most likely to be therapeutic in general.
 
For me, I'd say acid or shrooms. Salvia left me feeling very angry and resentful of people around me (bad setting) but I see that as having theraputic potential when used correctly.
 
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I'd say LSAs for me - as long as they're in the form of morning glory seeds and not HBWR seeds. They are more introspective and mentally based than LSD but just as powerful IME and they don't mess up my concentration quite as bad. MG seeds give me a burst of energy with my trip which is helpful while HBWR seeds are too "stoning" and sedating to be conducive to any therapeutic work. MG is also more euphoric for me which can be important.

I prefer to use a "purer" psychedelic like LSD or LSAs over MDMA as I don't have any better time on the latter and the "hangover" - both mental and physical - is a manky experience. I also feel it leaves me a bit too open and vulnerable if there is anyone around other than my very closest family and friends, whereas I feel more comfortable going out and walking around on LSx chemicals.

Peace, Ethnobot
 
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