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Most spiritual and powerful legal Tryptamime RC?

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So im interested in expiriencing a broader range of tryptamines in the near future. Anyone have any suggestions for which legal RCs would be the most spiritual and mind expanding while still providing the heavy psychedelic properties and mind trip? I really want something very intense with the best track record in terms of safety. Im interested in 4-ACO-DMT and maybe some chemicals in the 2C family. Any suggestions will be appreciated and expanded on through personal research. Thanks.
 
"Chemicals in the 2C family" are definitely not going to be spiritual, powerful tryptamines.
 
Almost any tryptamine-rc will do the trick with proper dosage. With 4-aco-dmt, 4-ho-mipt/4-aco-mipt or 4-ho-met you won't be disappointed.
 
you could try DPT, its a bit tempermental but has some glorious awakening effects on the mind and spirit, its by no means a light hearted tryptamine
 
I second DPT. Its effects are most ego dissolving when it hits you fast, so you'll want to intramuscularly inject it. Converting it to freebase and smoking is another way to get it all in quick, though I personally find IM the best. I've had an ego death experience on it (not ego dissolution -- there's a big difference that you can't really be aware of until it happens) as well as fully transporting visions (waking dreams where I lose awareness of my surroundings). There seems to be lots of variability in its effects between users, but in high doses it's comparable to DMT/ayahuasca in sheer power, though for me that power manifests in this very lithesome, flowing way -- like the ego is made threadbare and transparent, cast into the wind and shown through with sunlight -- rather than in the DMT's cognition-warping "psilocin's no-nonsense big daddy" way.

The other especially strong one is MET, another simple tryptamine. I don't have very much experience with it, just IM'd a smallish dose to test it, but it felt like IM DET, which is sort of DMT-ish though not quite as powerful, but still stronger than any substituted tryptamine in my experience. People above have dismissed the 2C series, and I sort of get that, though I find 2C-E highly spiritual (many others find it highly analytical and all-business, though I find it ecstatic).
 
People were only dismissing the 2Cs as powerful, spiritual tryptamines. 2C-E, 2C-P, the 2C-T series and probably some of the more novel ones are just as powerful as the tryptamines, there's no denying that.
 
psood0nym said:
though I find 2C-E highly spiritual (many others find it highly analytical and all-business, though I find it ecstatic).
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Yeah, I'm one of those outliers as well it seems. My recent experiments with 2C-E felt like a mix of MDMA and LSD. Divine energies flowing through my body. Very intoxicating and euphoric. Rough come up.

Sorry I can't contribute to the OP's question just yet, I just wanted to add that comment.
 
In all honestly I think the 'tryptamines' are less rich than the 2Cs. None of them are excedingly more exciting as compared to psilocin and/or DMT. Iprocin is pretty unique and in the past I thought it stood on its own but a recent trial left me thinking it was actually not as good as I find the psilocin. DPT is particularly good I'll admit but DPT has nothing about it that makes me feel an IM shot of DMT wouldn't have actually been a better choice....DiPT is unique but not for all occasions....so none seems to outshine the DMT or psilocin skeleton they are all based upon....in my research anyway, certainly I am basing that on reactions I've seen in others.

The 2Cs on the other hand are so rich, from the earthiness of 2C-C, the gold standards...good for everything...2C-B and 2C-D, the extra pure psychedelic space of 2C-E, and then the extremely varied, often deep, sometimes very emotional and cathartic....plus there are so many there must be at least one of them you like...2C-T family. The 2Cs will always be where it is at for me when I'm in the mood for something other than psilocin, DMT, bufotenine, etc. I'm one of those oddballs though that seems to like the 2C family more than mescaline so color me weird....(comment based on the pure compound...never tried a cactus...yet.)

CathodeRayTube said:
Yeah, I'm one of those outliers as well it seems. My recent experiments with 2C-E felt like a mix of MDMA and LSD. Divine energies flowing through my body. Very intoxicating and euphoric. Rough come up.

Sorry I can't contribute to the OP's question just yet, I just wanted to add that comment.
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Oh, MGS, that is interesting. I've been approaching the Phenethylamines with caution, given the potential physical side effects, and well, RC, y'know.

My personal gold standard is my early experience with the Liberty Caps. Back in my 20s, and I'm 40 now. But looking to explore this space further. So, I approach with extreme caution. I've recently come off 20mg Lexapro, and want to explore psilocybin as a therapeutic alternative.

I'm wondering how far I can push 2C-E, my last 18mg experience was interesting, but I'm worried about side effects. My kidneys still are paining.

Well, so, I'm looking now at the Tryptamine RC's. The 4-HO-MET as an introducer maybe.
 
The highest dose I took of 2C-E was 20mg. It was a trip I will never forget and for reference I did reach (very gently over about 3 hr) the same place I get to when I smoke 10mg or more of 5-MeO-DMT. I cannot foresee anytime I'd ever take more than 20mg. In hindsight, the annoying body issues with 2C-E seem less bothersome at the higher levels. The body element is definitely more noticeable when the psychedelic element is further in the background. I think as long as one keeps in that 25mg-30mg range with 2C-E its a very safe compound. Certainly all the dummies who cut up 'lines' of 2C-E with tens of dosages, snort it all...and then post about it here.... are proof of that! <3
 
Yeah, I dose the volumetric way, increasing by 2mg or thereabouts. My next time will be 20mg. It really is an interesting substance. Very different from any psych I've ever taken.

Actually, is it just me? But it really reminds me of something like LSA. Crystal clear visuals, but sedating/stimulating and euphoria, rough on the body. Weird substance.
 
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i second 4-ACO-DMT

but why limit yourself to non-scheduled tryptamines? seems like there are more phens out there to be had. i would recommend 2C-E if you are looking for a more intense trip. but of course id take some good old LSD over any of them!
 
Isn't it funny how all this comes down to personal preference?

OP, there is no answer.

As you say Green Machine... good old LSD, eh?

Yet, I've experienced LSD as harsh and confusing? And, the mushroom, so gentle and oh so psychedelic?

They say mileage varies, it sure does.
 
kidklmx said:
People were only dismissing the 2Cs as powerful, spiritual tryptamines. 2C-E, 2C-P, the 2C-T series and probably some of the more novel ones are just as powerful as the tryptamines, there's no denying that.
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I'm not sure what you mean. The 2Cs are not tryptamines at all, so what would be the meaning of dismissing them as such?
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DPT is particularly good I'll admit but DPT has nothing about it that makes me feel an IM shot of DMT wouldn't have actually been a better choice
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As I said, "there seems to be lots of variability in its effects between users," and DMT is not a "legal tryptamine RC," (at least in the U.S.) as the OP is asking for. I have used synthetic DMT intramuscularly three times. In my experience it's not nearly as rewarding as DPT or mimosa hostilis with harmala seeds, and on one of those three occasions I even tried IM DMT after swallowing and feeling the effects of 4 g of ground harmala seeds. My perception of DPT as among the most powerful tryptamine-based experiences is also reflective of my reading of, typically, quite a few trip reports of most every psychedelic I know of that I'm aware has been reported on, which I think is really what matters when anyone is asking a question like "what is the most/least" of any particular drug. The answer likely to be reflective of a random person's questions about unknown future experiences is the answer that describes the reported average of effects.

There is also Shulgin's testimony about DPT:
(with 36 mg, i.v.) "This was administered as a sterile solution of the fumarate salt, so the actual weight of the drug used is somewhat less. This was a very intense experience, every bit as powerful as this amount of DMT."
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Legal schmegal. None of the 'legal tryptamines' are really legal in US, and other countries with vague analogue style laws. Certainly DPT isn't, or is it still...don't know.... and MET is clearly an 'analogue' which is as good as a C1 chemical when you are being arrested for it.

DPT being the most 'powerful' is certainly subjective. You are right, an IM shot of DMT is much gentler than an IM shot of DPT. Totally, but rewarding is in the eye of the beholder. I myself have no doubts as to DPT's power, as it is about the only thing that has ever caused for me....what most would call a 'bad trip'... it did not end in a hospital or anything like that, but it became so difficult as in dealing with the electric cord in your mouth type of power I was feeling, I freaked the fuck out and did have to call a buddy to rescue me (and 'handle your shit' and don't call others because of your drugs was always my rule..so that was hard.)..I was down by the time he came over anyway but yeah I do get how powerful DPT is. On my end, DPT never 'feels' as good as DMT, it has a distinctly 'synthetic' element about it (personal I know, YMMV) although having said that...I love smoking DPT....it is still not to my liking as DMT...smoked DPT is kind of an LSD-flavored version of 5-MeO-DMT...if I had to describe it.

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I'm not sure what you mean. The 2Cs are not tryptamines at all, so what would be the meaning of dismissing them as such?

As I said, "there seems to be lots of variability in its effects between users," and DMT is not a "legal tryptamine RC," (at least in the U.S.) as the OP is asking for. I have used synthetic DMT intramuscularly three times. In my experience it's not nearly as rewarding as DPT or mimosa hostilis with harmala seeds, and on one of those three occasions I even tried IM DMT after swallowing and feeling the effects of 4 g of ground harmala seeds. My perception of DPT as among the most powerful tryptamine-based experiences is also reflective of my reading of, typically, quite a few trip reports of most every psychedelic I know of that I'm aware has been reported on, which I think is really what matters when anyone is asking a question like "what is the most/least" of any particular drug. The answer likely to be reflective of a random person's questions about unknown future experiences is the answer that describes the reported average of effects.

There is also Shulgin's testimony about DPT:
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^What you say is true, but "legal" in this case is whatever internet drug dealers commonly sell to U.S. residents, as it's always been. DPT is a homologue of DMT, which I've no doubt could be prosecuted as an "analogue," though the distinction is purposely defined vaguely so the government can get away with nonsense. From what I've read juries tend to be, rightfully, confused about what an analogue is exactly, and that's why there aren't more people going to jail over simple possession of "legal" RCs: it's expensive to convince a jury and not convincing a jury can set legal precedents.
 
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