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Misc Most recreational prescription medications? (Legal in the US)

Please, please, and more please stay away from Phenibut. Don't even attempt to use it recreationally or once in awhile. It's good to try a few times but... yeah, I hope you don't take it that often. I am very lucky the energy of the universe spun the Earth in such a way that suddenly I went from being addicted to it, to just... not liking it. Because I was getting pretty into that shit and trying to justify taking it more often and getting seriously fucked up. I don't miss it at all.

The main recreational drug I abuse is Gabapentin, which sometimes makes me feel like I'm on shrooms... strange chameleon drug. I'm majorly uncomfortable right now lol. This feels exactly like a weird shroom trip, I guess I took a little too much especially since I have the "gaba giddies" as I call them in my legs. I could pop some extra Valium, but I was getting ready to blaze. I feel so weird though...

It reminds me of a time I took KSM-66. Specific ranges of Gabapentin can be negative for me, but not that often. I usually don't go past 1800mg, but if I take 1500mg I get uncomfortable like this... strange. That doesn't happen on 1800, hell, I've taken like... 2700 before and I think that's the last time I felt exactly this way. My tolerance was pretty low here though.
 
emkee_reinvented said:
Return to '98 when the funhouse was still on paper going strong.
Doubt you could get prescription s, but they could be written.
As they where still in the med bible. Btw NL, and in ´98 getting this prescribed.
Forget it, in the time dr s were allowed to take their own med s,
and prescribed them easy, that lays far in the past.

First hand info, in the 50-ties dr s were the biggest drug user s.
Diazepam and Codeine OTC.

But in 1998, prescription:

Sedatives
-Brallobarbital/ Secobarbital/ Hydroxyzine: 50-150-50 mg.
-Chloralhydrate 250 mg.
-CycloBarbital 200 mg.
-Meprobamate 200/ 400 mg
-Opipramol 50 mg. a not recreational, but ime good sleep med.

Anti-Epileptic
-Clomethiazole [as a sirup 50 mg./ ml.]

Muscle-relaxants
-Chlor[o]mezanon 200 mg.
-Mefenoxalon 200 mg.

Both claim a sedative effect is response able for the effects.

Opioid s
-DextroMoramide 5 mg.
-Opial, mixture of Opium alkaloids/ 50 % Morphine, Anal suppository.
-Nico-Morphine 10 mg. Also anal.
-Piritramide, IV ampule 10 mg./ ml.
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Uve taken meprobamate... i liked it. Similar to soma.
 
notsmokeymcpot42088 said:
(Made my case easier switchin from ambien which z drugs don't agree with me (Non Benzodiazepines, that was what they were called group wise than)... Metal mouth and blackouts.
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I think Z-drugs are much more hazardous than benzodiazepines. Certainly they seem to produce bizarre and dangerous behaviors far more frequently than benzodiazepines.

The fact that they are a1 selective (and the short T1/2) was suppose to be the feature, but in truth it's the bug. Almost all adverse effects are mediated by a1 activity. I studied this. That's why pyrazolam is a2/a3 selective. Not totally, but at any rational dose. Any dose to provide what it was intended to do i.e. reduce anxiety. That's 0.5-1mg TID.
 
SteeleyJ said:
Uve taken meprobamate... i liked it. Similar to soma.
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I d wish, no way a dr will prescribe anything useful or recreational. This is NL.
Except when in luck, like my script for Oxycodone just for a broken Collar bone.
A exception ! Paracetamol, Diclofenac at best.

Normally prescribed when you break something.
And anxiety: SSRI or anti-psychotic. Problems sleeping, a hammer :)
 
4DQSAR said:
I think Z-drugs are much more hazardous than benzodiazepines. Certainly they seem to produce bizarre and dangerous behaviors far more frequently than benzodiazepines.

The fact that they are a1 selective (and the short T1/2) was suppose to be the feature, but in truth it's the bug. Almost all adverse effects are mediated by a1 activity. I studied this. That's why pyrazolam is a2/a3 selective. Not totally, but at any rational dose. Any dose to provide what it was intended to do i.e. reduce anxiety. That's 0.5-1mg TID.
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I have to agree -- I blames the size of the pills at the time but it seemed like id always lose like half of em (had to be blackout) and the last time I took them 14 (lol) I ended up going to a party and was on probation. Found myself locked out of the business room and had to ask wtf im normally practically runnin that room --- so and so says your a snitch. Big Dude; in jail for beatin someone right now. Called him and made him come back to the party and fight -- didn't go so well for me but noone thought that I was a "Glowie" after. (heard that one hear I wanna bring it stateside)
 
Hello,
I tried clomethiazole (named Distraneurin in Switzerland, Heminevrin in the UK) several times recently as a hypnotic medication. It is remarkably efficient and recreational too. To me 1 capsule of 192 mg clomethiazole is roughly equivalent in potency to 10 mg diazepam (Valium). The effect of clomethiazole is quite shorter than that of Valium but not too much shorter. Side effects of clomethiazole are dry and irritated eyes and abdominal discomfort but it was light ; rebound insomnia also occurred when stopped.
 
This is how I feel about "Z-Drugs" compared to other medications prescribed for insomnia. Z-Drugs are "non-benzodiazepines" but work very similar and work in the same region of the brain as benzodiazepines do. Some Z-Drugs (Lunesta) are designed for long-term treatment and it is 3.3 times stronger than Valium mg verse mg. Lunesta has a quick onset of action and it continues to work throughout the night.

Benzodiazepines are not meant for long-term treatment of insomnia, said patient will build a tolerance quickly, they are hard to taper down from, and they have wicked withdrawals.

Z-Drugs (non-benzpdiazepine) take awhile to build a tolerance to & rotating them for another Z-Drug is easier than rotating benzodiazepines. Z-Drugs also have less withdrawal symptoms and if any become present, the patient normally only feels them for 1-2 days and they are mild compared to Valium, Xanax, or Ativan.

I have been prescribed Lunesta 3mg for many years and it still continues to work for me. If I was taking Xanax, Ativan, or Valium for insomnia, the dosages would be uncommon and would be hard to taper down from and the effects would become less and less over time. For some reason, Lunesta's effects remain stable and predictable.
 
Them Witches said:
This is how I feel about "Z-Drugs" compared to other medications prescribed for insomnia. Z-Drugs are "non-benzodiazepines" but work very similar and work in the same region of the brain as benzodiazepines do. Some Z-Drugs (Lunesta) are designed for long-term treatment and it is 3.3 times stronger than Valium mg verse mg. Lunesta has a quick onset of action and it continues to work throughout the night.

Benzodiazepines are not meant for long-term treatment of insomnia, said patient will build a tolerance quickly, they are hard to taper down from, and they have wicked withdrawals.

Z-Drugs (non-benzpdiazepine) take awhile to build a tolerance to & rotating them for another Z-Drug is easier than rotating benzodiazepines. Z-Drugs also have less withdrawal symptoms and if any become present, the patient normally only feels them for 1-2 days and they are mild compared to Valium, Xanax, or Ativan.

I have been prescribed Lunesta 3mg for many years and it still continues to work for me. If I was taking Xanax, Ativan, or Valium for insomnia, the dosages would be uncommon and would be hard to taper down from and the effects would become less and less over time. For some reason, Lunesta's effects remain stable and predictable.
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Do you get the horrible metallic taste in your mouth? Most Z drugs -- there is the blackout (I can live with lol) than the metallic taste -- that puts em off the table.

opposite here I was on Ambien and asked to be switched to benzos --- which I did have a very uncommon tolerance to for a long long time - my own doing.

Meth I think is a good metaphor - desoxyn 10mg dose -- you take 100 mg (average meth dose roughly? little less hopefully) Yea that is like taking 10 xanax's instead of one -- it is going to be different and probably "not great'' long run.

Benzo's at least you can taper back down from without (Too horrible) physical effects. For me benign - no seizures because I tapered correctly (Enough) lol. May get Alzheimer's down the line and have a bit of paws idk
 
Octave77 said:
Hello,
I tried clomethiazole (named Distraneurin in Switzerland, Heminevrin in the UK) several times recently as a hypnotic medication. It is remarkably efficient and recreational too. To me 1 capsule of 192 mg clomethiazole is roughly equivalent in potency to 10 mg diazepam (Valium). The effect of clomethiazole is quite shorter than that of Valium but not too much shorter. Side effects of clomethiazole are dry and irritated eyes and abdominal discomfort but it was light ; rebound insomnia also occurred when stopped.
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Really? I would consider clomethiazole to be the more potent. But then clomethiazole is a hypnotic, not so much an anxiolytic.

A friend once advised me 'never take more than two or you will just wake up six hours later wondering where you are'. But that friend was injecting the liquid from inside the capsules and as they noted 'you have to be quick as it melts plastic'. The dose-response curve appears to be very steep which combined with the fact it produces anteriorgrade amnedia, is a hazard. You forget how many you consumed.

It certainly seems to produce tolerance and dependence much faster than benzodiazepines. It's more like a barbiturate in both the subjective effects and action. I can easily imagine someone taking clomethiazole as a recreational drug only to discover that they have developed physical dependence. Fatal overdoses were not uncommon. Even a small quantity of alcohol makes clomethiazole deadly.

I've talked about clomethiazole elsewhere but I admit to being surprised that it's stil being prescribed as a hypnotic. It's certainly effective, but known to be highly abusable.

I assumed that like barbiturates, clomethiazole has only remained in the BNF because there are some people who were prescribed those medications for years, are now elderly and detoxification is more hazardous that just continuing to prescribe the medication.

It demands the same amount of respect as a barbiturate.
 
Phobos said:
Well it's really hard to get a script for it, but Desoxyn is pure Dextromethamphetamine hydrochloride.
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I have been getting Dextroamphetamine pills prescribed @40mg for about 5 years now. For almost the whole first year even taking the prescribed dose, I was getting blasted. I was always so excited to wake up in the morning just to take them, but as time went on, I kept feeling it less and less to now where it feels like a sugar pill. I have taking breaks as well. I do believe that part of the reason they are not doing anything anymore is that I used to get Teva brand which IMHO makes the best pharmaceuticals no matter what the med because I noticed that once I started getting Sunrise brand that it correlated with them not working much.
 
It must be a good thirty years since I touched amphetamines but my one experience of the raecemic product made me realize just how much better the chiral compound is.

Maybe we were being ripped off but SKF5s (Smith Kleine French dexamphetamine 5mg) cost us £1 each. Less it we bought a lot. But the thing is that by content, even the crappy 10% street speed would provide a lot more dexamphetamine, but the laevoamphetamine made it awful).

I truly have no idea what the market is like now but IF people are prepared a large premium on the chiral product... would it be worth resolving the raecamate? After all, it's not hard to oxidize back to the achiral BMK or at least racemize it and resolve (as European cooks seem to do with methamphetamine).

I am sensitive to all stimulants so I only ask if this is a popular opinion or limited to just me.
 
I don't know really anything about amphetamine drugs. I assume that in hydrochloride form it makes it stronger?? I am in the US- California and I am not active in selling or buying medications/drugs from the street, but I would guess that Dexedrine would be pretty expensive??
 
rplate81 said:
I don't know really anything about amphetamine drugs. I assume that in hydrochloride form it makes it stronger?? I am in the US- California and I am not active in selling or buying medications/drugs from the street, but I would guess that Dexedrine would be pretty expensive??
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Actually, freebase amphetamine is the more potent based on mass. But it's a liquid and not really suited to most end users needs (although I have read if it occassionally turning up). In essence an addition salt is to produce a stable, non-toxic solid form of the drug. In the stomach it dissolves. I have absolutely no idea about othe ROAs but if it's a pill designed to be swallowed, I just take it that way.

As I said, it's decades since I touched it and even then two or three were plenty for me. But YMMV.

I thought methamphetamine was more common in the US (which may or may not be chiral) but for various reasons, people in the UK generally prefer plain amphetamine. I just feel that dexamphetamine is far better and it would seem that if 5mg fetched £1, others felt the same way.

It wasn't meant to be a statment of fact, just personal experiences over my teenage years.

I guess the real question is 'are people prepared to pay for a better product' but better is entirely subjective.
 
rplate81 said:
I have been getting Dextroamphetamine pills prescribed @40mg for about 5 years now. For almost the whole first year even taking the prescribed dose, I was getting blasted. I was always so excited to wake up in the morning just to take them, but as time went on, I kept feeling it less and less to now where it feels like a sugar pill. I have taking breaks as well. I do believe that part of the reason they are not doing anything anymore is that I used to get Teva brand which IMHO makes the best pharmaceuticals no matter what the med because I noticed that once I started getting Sunrise brand that it correlated with them not working much.
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Desoxyn is DextroMETHamphetamine, not Dextroamphetamine.
 
Them Witches said:
What are people trying to gain from Lunesta ?
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I'm actually prescribed lunesta and I don't know why people would abuse it. It is a hypnotic sedative. It makes me sleep really really deep and sometimes for an entire day. I've had conversations with people while I was sleeping and have no recollection of it. Most nights i don't take it, only when absolutely necessary. I've been told that taking several at a time can make you have hallucinations, like tripping. Other people might like the sedative effects of it, kinda like when you've been up for days on stims and you're physically exhausted and really high but you can't sleep. Ambien has the same effect. It's a CNS depressant so you have to be careful not to overdo it or mix with other things, like alcohol. Overdose is a real thing with this.
 
BourbonMac said:
The main recreational drug I abuse is Gabapentin, which sometimes makes me feel like I'm on shrooms..
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I was going to say I'm surprised no one has mentioned gabapentin (neurontin). It's become popular enough that some states have classified it a controlled substance. It's also known to potentiate opioid highs. It's contributed to overdose deaths. It's also been known to increase the risk of cognitive decline (dementia). People here call them Johnnies.
 
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