Dont judge me!!!!! lol jk, but seriously, been there. Sorry this isn't relevant to the thread, just felt obligated to make someone hopefully smile!
Most powerful/strong legal opiate ?
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Dont judge me!!!!! lol jk, but seriously, been there. Sorry this isn't relevant to the thread, just felt obligated to make someone hopefully smile!
Salvinorin_A
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Codeine and I believe Dihydrocodeine in Canada.
As a suspension if memory serves, without Paracetamol. But dont hold me to that.
As a suspension if memory serves, without Paracetamol. But dont hold me to that.
Pillthrill
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My vote goes for Poppy Pod Tea, although my preference is Tramadol.
Salvinorin_A
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Oxy/hydromorphone is LEGAL?!
Maybe someone has there wires a little crossed...
Maybe someone has there wires a little crossed...
Legally, in America, it would probably be some cough remedy with an infinetesmal amount of polcodeine. The strongest opiate, albeit a synthetic one, is something called carfentanyl. It's fentanyl for large animals like bears and elephants. 30 mgs of codeine is roughly equivalent to 30 teragrams of carfentanyl. If you get a drop on your skin, you're at risk of cardiac arrest.
Somewhat irrelevant, but that's the strongest opiate known to man.
Somewhat irrelevant, but that's the strongest opiate known to man.
imahustler420
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In canada codeine is over the counter as mentioned above. Personally, when I was addicted to strong opiates I went with pod tea to get my fix (and eventually the W/D's were worse than oxy when I came off it).
Regarding Kratom, I am an avid user (daily 2+years) of plain bali leaf, this is a plant not meant to get you "high" I mean it provides anxiety/depression relief and maybe a slight mood boost here and there but I consider it more of a tool for opiate addiction or treating other mental/physical problems rather than recreational use. I also use it for it's anti-addictive properties (I no longer crave street drugs)
The extracts such as UEI and the FST will get you jammed but those will only increase tolerance too fast and soon regular leaf will no longer work and you got a physical addiction before you even know it.
But like I said, pods to get high--and kratom if you want to overcome an addiction or maintain sobriety off of the hard opiates. Just my honest opinion.
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Ambrosia of Dionysus
GOD SAID, "LET THERE BE POPPY!"
Many analogues of the primary (3 of the 14 active) alkaloids were manipulated repeatedly in the middle of the 20th century to find the perfect combination of potency versus side effects. Of the remaining marketed schedule II's I would assume carfentanil is the King of Power; although I am not sure if fentanyl/anologues are strictly "legal" in even lax countries. Perhaps in Amsterdam, but I've never been so it would be a guess. Heroin is legal there so, hey, why not? Remember when talking about extremely potent opioids the power-2-weight ratio is crazazy. Fentanyl is dispensed in micrograms (at least per dose) so 10mg of regular fentanyl (patches or suckas, IV/IM) is infinitely more potent than say, an OC80.
But i digress... we are talking legal. It depends where you live, obviously. In the US, the strongest you can get without a prescription is to walk into a pharmacy [in certain states only] and you can ask the pharmacist for a cough suppressant (make your nose runny and cough a bit) with codeine (Robitussin AC- tastes awful, generic Guiatuss AC among others.)
SIDE NOTE: 3-4 beers, 2-3mg alprazolam and a 4oz. bottle of Guiatuss had me seeing God some 15 years ago before I had solid connects. Not sure what it would do to me now with my opiate receptors so fried. Also, insanely, promethazine with codeine is skyrocketing in the hip-hop community it seems. Lil Wayne *cough*. Purple...gimme a break, that is GARBAGE! Like dumb teens drinking whole bottles of DM.
You may have heard how easy it is to get opiates in Mexico. Truthfully, I've never been south of the border but have spoken with myriad southern junkies in the clink back when I lived in the South. And I was also in the military at one time and spoke at length with a superior who had a wealth of knowledge on the subject (for some reason.)
From what I remember, opiates are technically illegal in most Pacific countries but no harder to get than a 12 year old hooker in Thailand.
As for Mexico, many Carribbean islands, and much of Central and South America opiates are legal to varying degrees. My friend said that in countries that were conquered by the Spaniards back in the 1600's, where they treated the native inhabitants quite terribly you are more likely to find a country with lax drug laws.
Some Carribbean islands are actually quite strict so check first if you plan on traveling.
In Mexico, like many countries southward, the status quo is to go to a doctor ($20-30) and he will show you a book and ask you what you want... Pretty much a shakedown for extra cash; a needless middleman. But you can get whatever. But this is NOT NECESSARY if you don't mind a little danger, lol. If you were to go into a pharmacy on the main strip in Cancun near 5-star hotels and in the swank part of the resort town, you may very well be turned down if you walk up and ask for 60 MS Contin 200mg's or whatnot. (If you went and got the prescription you would have no trouble...gotta play the game.)
BUT, if you were to walk off the main roads, several miles from the tourist centers, (this is where the danger comes in - especially in border towns like Tijuana and New Laredo), you have a fifty-fifty chance of asking the pharmacist for morphine and he/she asking you if you would like some hypo's with that! Money talks down there.
I separated your question into two parts: strongest opiate and the name of some legal-ish real opiates. If you are simply asking what is the strongest legal opiate than the question is too vague. As you can see, it all depends on where you live and in some cases whether you are willing to put yourself at risk.
One last thing. It may have changed but back in the early 90's my friend and I drove to Canada because we heard codeine was legal and my stateside connects were dry for too long. Drove our ass all the way up there and yes, OTC codeine: per pill- 8mg codeine [T3's have 30mg, T4's have 60mg so these were like a quarter of a Tylenol 3], and THE WORST PART, each pill contained 15mg (I think that was the mg's) of caffeine, plus the obligatory liver-killing acetaminophen in vast quantities. You may be thinking cool, like a Red Bull-Codeine high. Meh, driving back from Niagara Falls to Ohio we couldn't catch a buzz and by the time we were home we had eaten 30 pills each and felt NO opiate buzz but had a horrible acetaminphen overdose/intoxification [diff symptoms but almost as bad as coming off CII's for a day or so]. On top of that we were nauseous and had the equiv of like 5-6 cups of coffee in us. It was a 200 count bottle and I threw it onto the highway to crush those evil things. F'ing Canadians!
---Zagreus
GOD SAID, "LET THERE BE POPPY!"
Many analogues of the primary (3 of the 14 active) alkaloids were manipulated repeatedly in the middle of the 20th century to find the perfect combination of potency versus side effects. Of the remaining marketed schedule II's I would assume carfentanil is the King of Power; although I am not sure if fentanyl/anologues are strictly "legal" in even lax countries. Perhaps in Amsterdam, but I've never been so it would be a guess. Heroin is legal there so, hey, why not? Remember when talking about extremely potent opioids the power-2-weight ratio is crazazy. Fentanyl is dispensed in micrograms (at least per dose) so 10mg of regular fentanyl (patches or suckas, IV/IM) is infinitely more potent than say, an OC80.
But i digress... we are talking legal. It depends where you live, obviously. In the US, the strongest you can get without a prescription is to walk into a pharmacy [in certain states only] and you can ask the pharmacist for a cough suppressant (make your nose runny and cough a bit) with codeine (Robitussin AC- tastes awful, generic Guiatuss AC among others.)
SIDE NOTE: 3-4 beers, 2-3mg alprazolam and a 4oz. bottle of Guiatuss had me seeing God some 15 years ago before I had solid connects. Not sure what it would do to me now with my opiate receptors so fried. Also, insanely, promethazine with codeine is skyrocketing in the hip-hop community it seems. Lil Wayne *cough*. Purple...gimme a break, that is GARBAGE! Like dumb teens drinking whole bottles of DM.
You may have heard how easy it is to get opiates in Mexico. Truthfully, I've never been south of the border but have spoken with myriad southern junkies in the clink back when I lived in the South. And I was also in the military at one time and spoke at length with a superior who had a wealth of knowledge on the subject (for some reason.)
From what I remember, opiates are technically illegal in most Pacific countries but no harder to get than a 12 year old hooker in Thailand.
As for Mexico, many Carribbean islands, and much of Central and South America opiates are legal to varying degrees. My friend said that in countries that were conquered by the Spaniards back in the 1600's, where they treated the native inhabitants quite terribly you are more likely to find a country with lax drug laws.
Some Carribbean islands are actually quite strict so check first if you plan on traveling.
In Mexico, like many countries southward, the status quo is to go to a doctor ($20-30) and he will show you a book and ask you what you want... Pretty much a shakedown for extra cash; a needless middleman. But you can get whatever. But this is NOT NECESSARY if you don't mind a little danger, lol. If you were to go into a pharmacy on the main strip in Cancun near 5-star hotels and in the swank part of the resort town, you may very well be turned down if you walk up and ask for 60 MS Contin 200mg's or whatnot. (If you went and got the prescription you would have no trouble...gotta play the game.)
BUT, if you were to walk off the main roads, several miles from the tourist centers, (this is where the danger comes in - especially in border towns like Tijuana and New Laredo), you have a fifty-fifty chance of asking the pharmacist for morphine and he/she asking you if you would like some hypo's with that! Money talks down there.
I separated your question into two parts: strongest opiate and the name of some legal-ish real opiates. If you are simply asking what is the strongest legal opiate than the question is too vague. As you can see, it all depends on where you live and in some cases whether you are willing to put yourself at risk.
One last thing. It may have changed but back in the early 90's my friend and I drove to Canada because we heard codeine was legal and my stateside connects were dry for too long. Drove our ass all the way up there and yes, OTC codeine: per pill- 8mg codeine [T3's have 30mg, T4's have 60mg so these were like a quarter of a Tylenol 3], and THE WORST PART, each pill contained 15mg (I think that was the mg's) of caffeine, plus the obligatory liver-killing acetaminophen in vast quantities. You may be thinking cool, like a Red Bull-Codeine high. Meh, driving back from Niagara Falls to Ohio we couldn't catch a buzz and by the time we were home we had eaten 30 pills each and felt NO opiate buzz but had a horrible acetaminphen overdose/intoxification [diff symptoms but almost as bad as coming off CII's for a day or so]. On top of that we were nauseous and had the equiv of like 5-6 cups of coffee in us. It was a 200 count bottle and I threw it onto the highway to crush those evil things. F'ing Canadians!
---Zagreus
CORRECTION in North Carolina , I get Codiene over the counter quite often in a syrup called Cheratussin AC
drminaq
Bluelighter
Out of pure fascination where and in what form do you find dihydrocodeine in Canada? I am well told of ASA 8mg and 15 caffeine and the sad buzz of caffeine over takes the codeine by far. I have never heard of this other DHC or ethylmorphine Otc. please share.
ActinUhFool420
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http://www.pharmer.org/forum/discussion-prescription-and-otc-meds/opioid-comparison
heres a chart t help ya... it compares mg doses to morphine and codeine
heres a chart t help ya... it compares mg doses to morphine and codeine
Here in Argentina, none. The most "powerful" painkiller OTC here is Naproxen (which is scheduled in most countries). Even Loperamide is non OTC.
Anyway, some years ago I was lucky enough to get a box of Tramadol, and since then, I became an opiate/opioid lover. Shamefully, these are the best drugs by far.
So far I have did Methylmorphine, DXM (technically it should count as an opioid I think), Codeine, Hydrocodone, Tramadol, Loperamide and Oxycodone. These days I only take lots of Tramadol with good branded Alprazolam (Gador here) and lots of Carisoprodol. It makes me nods nicely and its not so expensive as other opiates or opioids.
But I have no doubt that some day I will buy at least Hydrocodone again. Not sure about Oxycodone, it is REALLY expensive here because it's the most difficult drug to get >.<.
Thankfully I have good connections and most people does not know that Tramadol is an opioid so its relatively "cheap".
Anyway, some years ago I was lucky enough to get a box of Tramadol, and since then, I became an opiate/opioid lover. Shamefully, these are the best drugs by far.
So far I have did Methylmorphine, DXM (technically it should count as an opioid I think), Codeine, Hydrocodone, Tramadol, Loperamide and Oxycodone. These days I only take lots of Tramadol with good branded Alprazolam (Gador here) and lots of Carisoprodol. It makes me nods nicely and its not so expensive as other opiates or opioids.
But I have no doubt that some day I will buy at least Hydrocodone again. Not sure about Oxycodone, it is REALLY expensive here because it's the most difficult drug to get >.<.
Thankfully I have good connections and most people does not know that Tramadol is an opioid so its relatively "cheap".
Not entirely true.
Papaverum somniferum is legal to grow, the seeds and flowers and pods are legal to possess, but AS SOON AS THEY ARE "PREPARED" which by strict legal definition includes extraction of opium by any means, whether by laceration of pods, dissolving in water, whatever, an offence is committed.
As for codeine and dihydrocodeine in the UK; dosage units which are legal and available OTC are 8mg codeine phosphate/sulphate and what USED to be 7.46mg dihydrocodeine, now 10mg, as long as they are combined with a non-narcotic, the most common of course being paracetamol/acetaminophen. Combinations are available but only on Rx which contain up to 30mg of either. The most common brands of these are, respectively, SOLPADEINE and, for DHC, REMEDEINE (20/500mg) and REMEDEINE FORTE (30/500mg).
Codeine phosphate and dihydrocodeine tartrate may be prescribed without face-to-face consultation with a doctor, as in e-medicine, unlike any other with the exception of Oramorph solution, which is also NOT a Controlled Drug, as it does not contain enough morphine to be considered as such; like codeine and dihydrocodeine, it is classed as a POM (Prescription Only Medicine), also when in combination with Kaolin for the treatment of diarrhoea. Although I am not entirely certain whether that is an OTC medication, it certainly WAS ten or twelve years ago, but has fallen out of favour and now loperamide hydrochloride 2mg is the opioid of choice in that case.
Codeine phosphate is available pure in tablets of 15, 30 and 60mg.
Dihydrocodeine tartrate is available in tablets (SR) DHC Continus 60, 90 and 120mg.
It is also available in generic form of 30mg, DF118 Forte brand 40mg.
Under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 as amended, these substances as single drugs are classified Class B; almost all other opioids Are controlled drugs of Class A, Schedule 2 with the exception of tramadol hydrochloride which is Schedule 3.
Crashing
Bluelighter
Acetyl-Fentanyl.
SoaV
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RC opiates. 100% legal to purchase, so long as your disclosed intention is not to consume them of course...fentanyl derivatives abound across the net. A vendelejo I'm familiar has recently listed 4f-butyr-fent in limited stock, so these are still on the market for sure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butyrfentanyl. Realistically speaking, I think it would blow any opiate you're going to get from putting your hands on plant material out of the water.
But be warned, there is probably good reason such a chemical has not been listed in this thread as of yet. It is extremely dangerous. Lethal in single digit milligram doses. That's why if you are going to buy it you want to make sure the vendor is carrying a BF product in ratio form, for instance 1:20 4f-butyr-fent. Without the proper equipment, it is simply unsafe to measure your own doses, as most people are using your typical milligram scale from Amazon.
Good luck finding AF. Most analogs are taken down in much faster time than other RC's.
"When BF is described at 20x as potent as morphine its not hyperbole! Having been directly involved with the research of the compound I can tell you with certainly this is a very dangerous chemical. Whereas a rat with no tolerance to opiates can OD on as little as 2mgs. Seen it happen first hand with my own eyes this week! There is a very fine line with BF people. where 3mg for the user with a high opiate tolerance has no effect , but 5mgs shuts down your respiratory system, Narcon doesnt appear to provide the initial response needed for someone who has fallen out, Also, you build rapid tolerance and does not seem to alleviate opiate WD, BE VERY CAREFUL!!!! I PROMISE YOU YOU WILL REGRET RESEARCHING THIS CHEMICAL!!!!"
But be warned, there is probably good reason such a chemical has not been listed in this thread as of yet. It is extremely dangerous. Lethal in single digit milligram doses. That's why if you are going to buy it you want to make sure the vendor is carrying a BF product in ratio form, for instance 1:20 4f-butyr-fent. Without the proper equipment, it is simply unsafe to measure your own doses, as most people are using your typical milligram scale from Amazon.
Good luck finding AF. Most analogs are taken down in much faster time than other RC's.
"When BF is described at 20x as potent as morphine its not hyperbole! Having been directly involved with the research of the compound I can tell you with certainly this is a very dangerous chemical. Whereas a rat with no tolerance to opiates can OD on as little as 2mgs. Seen it happen first hand with my own eyes this week! There is a very fine line with BF people. where 3mg for the user with a high opiate tolerance has no effect , but 5mgs shuts down your respiratory system, Narcon doesnt appear to provide the initial response needed for someone who has fallen out, Also, you build rapid tolerance and does not seem to alleviate opiate WD, BE VERY CAREFUL!!!! I PROMISE YOU YOU WILL REGRET RESEARCHING THIS CHEMICAL!!!!"
Crashing
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They are very easy to find, but incredibly, incredibly dangerous. Fatal. I would stick with kratom.
SoaV
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I suppose one can find higher grade heroin on darknet than they can on the street, so ya they're probably 'easy' to find. I mainly was referring to the clearnet vendors I usually frequent, located both in EU and the US, where the fentanyl analogues seem to come and go but don't stay long, from what I've gathered authorities are much quicker to schedule an opiate analog. Granted I've only been browsing these vendors for the past 6 months.
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