morphine sulphate tablets

[cactusgenie]

hullo there... i did a search and couldn't find anything relating to the following:
the local users around my parts tend to get their hands on morphine sulphate tablets. they then powder then, turn them using acetic anhydride then cook that off, then add water and hey presto you're away...
what i was wondering is, in a 60mg tab, theres probably at least as much filler or binder or crap in these things as morphine, right? is there anyway to economically remove this filler, binding agent, whatever? or are they doomed to stick this in their viens?
cheers...
[ 07 October 2002: Message edited by: cactusgenie ]

 

[Alternity]

I'm a lil' high right now, so don't write any of this in stone. I believe using a cold water extraction like that of one for OxyContin could indeed work well and get rid of almost all the fillers. Use search to find this exact method. If it isn't to be found, ask me here. I may outline it if I have time.

 

[Dr.groveller]

Originally posted by cactusgenie:
hullo there... i did a search and couldn't find anything relating to the following:
the local users around my parts tend to get their hands on morphine sulphate tablets. they then powder then, turn them using ascetic (sp) acid then cook that off, then add water and hey presto you're away...
what i was wondering is, in a 60mg tab, theres probably at least as much filler or binder or crap in these things as morphine, right? is there anyway to economically remove this filler, binding agent, whatever? or are they doomed to stick this in their viens?
cheers...
Wheel filters with a .2 micron filter size are your best bet for prepping MScontin (or any pill with nasty fillers). I'm not sure if you can coldwater extraction on these for fillers- was under the impression coldwater was just for APAP not things like talc. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
You can get wheel filters on-line. I suggest a google search. Really the only way you should every inject prepped pills... otherwise, you're asking for some serious damage from long term use.
doc

 

[Partykid12]

Well one time I got my hands on 100mg Morphine pills and the only way to get high off of those I learned was to crush it up into powder, put it in a shot glass of water and put that shot glass in the microwave for about 20 seconds (Dont put too much water or else it will boil over) But after it finishes in the microwave let it cool for like 5 min and stir it around, take the shot, wait 15 min and you have a fun time. I know that if you take them whole they dont fuck you up because they are time relased into a 12 hour cycle which sucks...

 

[SteveElektro]

I think what cactusgenie maybe talking about is turning morphine into heroin (which is diacetyl morphine).
I'm pretty sure that I heard that in New Zealand heroin is really hard to get so they extract morphine from MS contin (or other morphine pills) and turn it into heroin using acetic anhydride.
I heard that the Morphine Sulphate pills are often sold with a vial of acetic anhydride, and that using it to turn the morphine into diacetyl morphine (heroin) is a relitively easy process that anyone can do in the kitchen.
I'm not 100% on any of this, so can anyone confirm this?
[ 05 October 2002: Message edited by: SteveElektro ]

 

[antEater]

Originally posted by SteveElektro:
I'm pretty sure that I heard that in New Zealand heroin is really hard to get so they extract morphine from MS contin's and turn it into heroin using anhydrous acid or something. (I might have the name of the acid wrong)
But you were close The thing that they use to convert morphine to heroin is acetic anhydride. You can even read about it on the DEA website, sweet! (from Rhodium's site: http://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/heroinmfg.html)

 

[*kell*]

Originally posted by SteveElektro:
I think what cactusgenie maybe talking about is turning morphine into heroin (which is diacetyl morphine).
I'm pretty sure that I heard that in New Zealand heroin is really hard to get so they extract morphine from MS contin (or other morphine pills) and turn it into heroin using acetic anhydride.
I heard that the Morphine Sulphate pills are often sold with a vial of acetic anhydride, and that using it to turn the morphine into diacetyl morphine (heroin) is a relitively easy process that anyone can do in the kitchen.
I'm not 100% on any of this, so can anyone confirm this?
[ 05 October 2002: Message edited by: SteveElektro ]
Yup, being from New Zealand & having done this process thousands of times I can confirm this.
I can never quite remember what AA is, one of you was correct.
As far as yeild goes, a 60mg MST will give me two solid tastes (thats probably a little stronger than a pretty good 20 bag of smack in the US for each taste).
Because you are going through this process I dont think you end up with much crap, I'm no chemist so dont quote me on that. It's a labour of love, if you put a bit more time & effort in you will come out with a superior product, yeah using a wheel filter is a good idea (most of us are far too lazy, but ideally...).
It's an easy process but one you really need to be taught in person , there are alot of tricks & everyone has their own. It takes me about 20 mins from start to finish, I could do it in under 10 but as I said a bit more time produces better shit.
No, I'm pretty sure it's not MS contin we get.
Yeah people do convert codine into 'Homebake' I dont know how, it's something that comes up from time to time for sale, apprently it's alot more of a pain in the ass.
The reason we use MST & AA is that we are so damn isolated that herion is hard to get here & when it does it's too expensive to bother with, I think I've only had it once in NZ & that was for free, no way in hell I'd pay the insane prices it goes for.
And finally....I'm interested to know where the original poster lives, somewhere other than NZ, Australia?
[ 05 October 2002: Message edited by: *kell* ]

 

[fairnymph]

If you were a knowledgable and somewhat experienced chemist, you could indeed convert morphine to heroin using acetic anhydride. Acetic acid is NOT a suitable substitute.
Now, acetic anhydride is not necessarily easily obtained, and if you are starting with morphine extracted from pills, you'll need to perform a really thorough extraction and A/B to get a clean product at the end.
It is certainly possible to do all this, but it would take work and it's not foolproof -- so consider carefully before embarking on such an endeavor.

 

[kristofire]

i have tried shooting ms contin, and its a bitch. you have to work with it. its a time consuming process. wasnt worth the trouble. although, if they are like these other morphine sulfates i did, their good. they were white. all white.
you could crush them easy and just add water.

 

[*kell*]

Originally posted by fairnymph:
If you were a knowledgable and somewhat experienced chemist, you could indeed convert morphine to heroin using acetic anhydride. Acetic acid is NOT a suitable substitute.
Now, acetic anhydride is not necessarily easily obtained, and if you are starting with morphine extracted from pills, you'll need to perform a really thorough extraction and A/B to get a clean product at the end.
It is certainly possible to do all this, but it would take work and it's not foolproof -- so consider carefully before embarking on such an endeavor.
Like I said, if you are taught at 1st then it's really not too difficult at all. Beleive me I know some of the stupidest people I've ever met that do this on a daily basis. What do you mean a 'thourough extraction'? it's a processs you follow, just like a cookie recipe except it's a recipe for H, there's one way it's not like you can 1/2 do it!
What's A/B?
[ 05 October 2002: Message edited by: *kell* ]

 

[Alternity]

Now, if you have the supplies and knowledge to purify the Morphine to a reasonable yield, I remember reading a Synth that isn't as easy as Morphine -> H but is much better. I believe in a nutshell it said that with a few fairly easy to obtain chemical you can do a conversion of Morphine into Oxymorphone(!!!) in your house. This requires college Chem. experience. I'm in my first year college Chem. course and it's only slightly over my head. The hard part is getting the other chemicals, but that's no problem at all if you're in Chem in school. I myself use many of the chemicals needed in labs often. I think the syth was posted at the Hive or something, I'm not totally sure tho...

 

[cactusgenie]

Thanks for all the replys... and indeed it is acetic anhydride not acetic acid! i wasn't sure what AA stood for, as it's just called double or some such slang round here....
and for the record, i've seen many a junkie round here embark on the "difficult endevour", and it's damn easy actually... i'm sure you could do it better, but they get by. double is quite available as you need it.
so wheel filters you reckon ay? i'll remind my friends of that fact.
p.s. i'm from new zealand, good detective work!
[ 07 October 2002: Message edited by: cactusgenie ]