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Morphine Sulphate ER vs Hydrocodone

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I am new here and I posted just a little while ago in the New Member Introduction forum. More context about me is there, but I think my specific question may be better placed in this forum.

Long story short, I've been taking 10 mg per day of Vicodin (I know that's not a lot) for pain. I am out (took the last this morning) and I can't afford to go to the doctor. A friend had given me some 30 mg morphine sulphate ER tablets a while ago that I had set aside. I am hesitant about them, but I am not going to be able to work if I don't take something.

Although the word "morphine" actually kind of spooked me, I have read that it's not actually as strong (orally) as the hydrocodone. So, maybe it will work for me, at least until I can afford to go to the doctor, and not do anything scary?

Any opinions or advice?
 
Thank you for the reply. And there is nothing I should be concerned about? I don't want to be unable to concentrate and therefore unable to work, for example. Or, if I should expect anything, I'd at least like to know and not be taken by surprise. You know?
 
Okay. Hopefully not so much that I won't be able to be functional. I will try it, though. Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
 
just because of the rumors that "morphine sucks orally" due to its low BA, which is around 30%, means nothing at all, for example bupe has a BA of around 33% sublingually and look how messed up people get off that the first time taking it. Morphine is pretty potent, even taken orally, even with its bad reputation for having poor oral BA. I been a 15yr opiate user, and at once point I ran out of opiates for 1 week, my tolerance was. about where I would need 6-7bags of heroin to get high, or 60-80mg methadone to feel good, or needing 300-500mg of oxy just to feel straight, or a OK buzz...after 6 days without opiates, my dad gave me some 30mg Morphine ER pills, I had taken TWO of them, and felt a heavy opiate buzz, I actualy got nauseous and high...so the low BA theory throw that out the fucking window. morphine works GREAT for pain, more then hydrocodone, for me hydrocodone provides pain relief for 2-3 hours MAX, and leaves u redosing. a 30mg morphine has a duration of up to 5-8 hours, with great physical pain killing effects. Morphine is WAY MORE POTENT than hydrocodone by far, so don't believe that, I would hate to see u pop a bunch of morphine thinking its weaker than hydrocodone and risk ODing, there is an opioid conversion chart on this site, it will tell u what 30mg morphine is equivalent to hydrocodone wise

here is what I found on the opioid conversion chart

Morphine 30mg PO (oral) = Hydrocodone 30mg PO

so it looks like morphine is 3x more potent then hydrocodone Mg to MG wise...be safe
 
I took only one yesterday and one today. Each time they did help, but I would say not as much as the hydrocodone, and they started to wear off after maybe 8 hours. Throughout that time my pain was tolerable, but definitely not gone. They certainly weren't as effective for me as the hydrocodone, but they will probably get me by until I can go to the doctor for my regular refill.

No worries about me popping "a bunch" - I really don't do that. I try not to take any more pain medication than necessary for me to be able to work (because if I take too much and then can't concentrate, I still can't work - haha). One of the things that bothered me about these pills over the last couple of days was that they didn't quite help enough, but I knew I couldn't just "break a piece" off of another one and take a bit more, because of them being the extended release. I knew it wouldn't work that way. That part of it sucks, but at least I have something to take until I get to the Dr.

Thanks for the input.
 
everyones body is different, u may just benefit better with hydrocodone, the problem with that is the constant re-dosing over and over again, hydrocodone only gave me 2-3hrs of pain relief during my car accident. MScontins are time released, but the pills are so fragile that if u flick it with ur finger it will break, I beliebe the time release mechanism is embedded all in the pill, as it turns to a waxy subtance
 
opiatekrzy said:
everyones body is different, u may just benefit better with hydrocodone, the problem with that is the constant re-dosing over and over again, hydrocodone only gave me 2-3hrs of pain relief during my car accident. MScontins are time released, but the pills are so fragile that if u flick it with ur finger it will break, I beliebe the time release mechanism is embedded all in the pill, as it turns to a waxy subtance
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IDK ur situation, but my dad was on also hydrocodone for 10yrs from back pain, until his doctor cut him off and said the Tylenol will kill his liver, and that hydrocodone is not for chronic pain sufferers, so he got switched to morphine, oddly my dad thinks hydrocodone is more better with pain himself
 
Thebaine derived opiods such as hydrocodone and oxycodone where created to solve the issues of morphine's low oral bio-availability.

It really does depend on the individual , but a 30mg MS would be significantly stronger than a 10mg Vicodin.

My advice would be to take half and see how it effects you ,15mg morphine orally isn't going to put you in any danger.
 
That is the perfect dose, i've only gotten to do morphine a few times and prefer it over oxycodone and vicodin, just more euphoric to me and better at relieving pain
 
I wouldn't be afraid of 30 mgs of morphine orally. It's BA is low as balls. However 10 mgs hydrocodone a day is not much at all, considering people take 50-100+ mgs at a time. You'll be fine.
 
Yeah it's been said before, but its equipotent to hydrocodone.

As far as 30being too much, you won't die, but dose it like you would your hydros.
 
To the person comparing/contrasting morphine and buprenorphine and their BA or lack there of and perceived effects, bupe is WAY WAY more potent than morphine in the range of 30-40 x's more potent. So even though bupes has a low BA it does not take much for an effect. .3 mg of bupe for somebody with no tolerance would have them a bit faded, that's how potent it is. Same person with no tolerance if they took .3 mg of morphine they would not notice any effects.

A 30 mg extended release morphine tablet would be perfectly safe for a non tolerant person considering they don't crush(abuse-snort, iv, plug) the tablet. Considering the time delay and BA of 30 mg morphine, said person prob would get around 1 to 2 mg per hour assuming a 12 hour matrix.
 
it said ORAL morphine 30mg = ORAL hydrocodone 30mg. so it isn't balls the BA in my opinion.. at all...from 15yrs of opiate abuse I still find morphine orally strong
 
30 mgs of Morphine did not feel like 30 mgs of Hydro orally back in the day. But that's just me personally.
 
did u take morphine ER (extended release) that can be why, and also, just because they are MG to MG equivalent, doesn't necessarily mean it will feel like 30mgs of hydrocodone, they both are two completely different feeling opioids, in terms of potency I think they mean 30mg morphine = 30mg hydrocodone as in they are equally as strong as far as CNS depression. To one of the above posters, I feel 30mg morphine to a nieve person is a bit too much, my mother-in-law sprained her ankle and was in extreme pain, so I figured I would give her a 30mg MSContin (Morphine Time Release), she was nauseous and everytime she stood up she was vomiting, she got a lot of pain relief, but way too dizzy and nauseous if she stood up, and couldn't hold food down, at the time I was a bit of an idiot, I was used to taking 20-30 of these morphines at once for a buzz, and I was chewing them,i figured giving her just ONE time release morphine would kill her pain, nothing more , nothing less. but come to find out it was way too much for her..and when I think back, I went 2 weeks without opiates cuz I moved to Texas, I was on 3 suboxone a day, had the tolerance of someone who can take 500mg of oxy and not even get high, take about 80mg methadone for NICE buzz, that's where my tolerance was. But after almost 2 weeks of opiate withdrawl, I had morphine sent to me In texas. I swallowed 3 MSContin 30's (90mg total), and I actually got high, to the point where it was overwhelming, so morphine orally is very strong,. just because a drug has a poor oral bio, doesn't mean poop at ALL. I have seen someone swallow 2mg of suboxone orally, and puke for hours and hours, and suboxone has a poor BIO even sublingually,so Bioavailability % doesn't mean anything at all. 30mg of morphine may not feel anything like 30mg of hydrocodone, because hydrocodone is thebaine derived and may have different euphoric and pain killing qualities, then natural occurring opiate such as morphine, which isn't derived from thebaine.
 
taking a 30mg MS-Contin will be like taking a 10mg norco once every 4 hours...

morphine is a lot more potent as far as how strongly it binds to your receptors, but with the oral BA of morphine being 30% and the oral BA of hydrocodone being >80%, it balances out.

Please do note though, that for people with greater tolerance, the oral bioavailability goes up as the dose goes up (we're talking large doses though, and it's not by much).
 
why does the opioid conversion here on BL state specifically 30mg Morphine orally is equivalent to 30MG hydrocodone orally? I believe as far as cns depression goes, a 30mg morph orally is as strong as taking 3 lortab 10s
 
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