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Morphine hcl

I was going to post the same thing, had a couple of 10mg shots of morphine when I was in for surgery last year. That was IM though, I don't specifically remember ever getting IV morphine. Definitely felt the effects at that dose though!
 
Is there a difference in strength when you inject then? I know there's a difference in immediacy but do you need less to inject? Or is morphine hcl more potent than morphine sulphate?

Also...we always bang on to people about getting scales to accurately dose their drugs. Never eyeball 10mg etc. So how come this rule doesn't apply to injecting heroin users? How do users know how much to inject? I've never met a junkie with scales. What am I missing here?
 
Yeah, there's usually a big difference in strength when you inject (although it varies as to how much difference from drug to drug). Bioavailability innit. Each ROA has a different BA for every drug. I don't know whether the HCl form is different in potency to sulphate with morphine but it's a good point cos that is the case (differing potencies, not necessarily that one is always more or less potent than t'other (afaik anyway)) with at least some other drugs and so also something that would need to be taken into account when judging appropriate dosage.

As for what a hospital may give an opiate naive person, I couldn't comment as I've never been in that situation. As I said, morphine dosage is not a strong point of mine. I vaguely recall something about those lil devices some people have in hospital where you press a button to get a lil booster being 2mg but I may well be completely misremembering. The only times I've used morphine I've had some level of tolerance so I really wouldn't know from my own experience.

With heroin it's a trickier matter cos - as you say - junkies don't tend to weigh their doses as there's no way of knowing how much heroin is in your "heroin" nor what else (potentially active cuts) that may lurk within. It's basically done by word of mouth from batch to batch which is obviously less than ideal and one reason that shooting "street drugs" is always inherently more risky.
 
Cheers Shambles, I never knew that, it's just a culture I've never been part of so genuinely ignorant. Also, I asked you the same thing in a PM about three years ago and you never did get round to answering it. =D I can confirm you are better at the posting thing than the pm thing.
 
Ha! I usually do at least try to reply at some point but in practice it doesn't always work out that way :o

I'm a bugger for procrastinating and/or being distracted and when a PM has been sitting about for a while it often seems like the moment has passed or - frankly - it just gets buried on the second page - or even the lower half of the first page. I could really do with working out a better way of dealing with PMs but - for whatever reason - I generally find it easier to write posts than PMs. I think I'm just incredibly out of practice with direct social interaction and I never have gotten into the habit of using even email regularly. I should make more of an effort with PMs though cos whilst I may not always be in one of my more social moods I don't wish to be actively antisocial.

Three years is a tardy response even by my standards though - sorry 'bout that :o - but better late than never, eh? :D
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Not wanting to disagree with all the sound HR advice here, but isn't 10mg a standard 'starter' dose in hospitals for opiate naive patients?
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NO!

As a nurse for 20 years my advice is to start with 2 mg if going IV or rectally.

I was in the emergency room and having a very painful procedure done and (they assume I am somewhat opiate naive) I only received 2 mg IV to start with...next dose..2mg more...
 
missmeyet? said:
NO!

As a nurse for 20 years my advice is to start with 2 mg if going IV or rectally.

I was in the emergency room and having a very painful procedure done and (they assume I am somewhat opiate naive) I only received 2 mg IV to start with...next dose..2mg more...
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Fair enough, is 10mg the standard for just IM dosing then? My wife was given 2 lots of 10mg IM in one night when going through a particularly difficult labour once - and that was diamorphine, not just morphine (and she was presumed to be opiate naive).
 
It can also be how they inject it. They might do 10mg but it may be injected over the course of a minute.

Also there is no 'standard' amount, they have to consider weight, the injury sustained due to the CNS depression. And of course the amount of pain someone is in, start small then work up.

This is from personal experience, and having a Dr and a couple of nurses in the family who I have talked to about all this sort of stuff.

The main thing is be careful, start small. Then work up.
 
Just make sure it is def a real mande morphine vial, few years back me and TekkeN split a 'morphine' vial (red) id got from in pakistan, dunno what it was, toxic shock ore summat but we both very nearly died. So yeah, make sure its made by a legit pharma or at least not some dodgy as fuck place
 
wcote said:
It can also be how they inject it. They might do 10mg but it may be injected over the course of a minute.

Also there is no 'standard' amount, they have to consider weight, the injury sustained due to the CNS depression. And of course the amount of pain someone is in, start small then work up.

This is from personal experience, and having a Dr and a couple of nurses in the family who I have talked to about all this sort of stuff.

The main thing is be careful, start small. Then work up.
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Yes, 10mg is more appropriate for I'M injection. But injecting it over the course of a minute has absolutely nothing to do with how much you give someone...this is only done to lessen the "shock" of what we all know as a rush and so that if someone is going to have some immediate side effects it can be discontinued before the whole amount is pushed IV...the slow IV push should be done with any amount. As I said, besides personal use, I have been giving these types of medications as a nurse for over 20 years...giving slowly has nothing at all to do with dosage amount.

But yes, should always start slow and low and work your way up.
 
I realise why they do it slowly.

I'm not sure why you thought I meant anything else but the point you make.

However as ever I'm dyslexic so writing is not my strong point.
 
I won't be shooting heroin as I don't know dosage wise what it'd do to me.

Now, 2 mg or 10?

Can someone give me an educated opinion?
 
2mg. As much as I would rather you didn't IV, its HR advice

Start low. Do you really want to risk it? You have 70mg to play with.

Harm reduction is really important when it comes to IV opiates.

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Also going with 2ml if you are absolutely insistent on injection - although I still think you should reconsider and opt for one of the safer options. There's nothing "inferior" about alternate ROAs - the vast majority of people who do end up injecting opiates didn't start out that way. There'd probably be a lot less of us if we did . It's your decision though and as somebody who apparently has medical experience - and all the opiate users - are saying 2mg I think you have your answer. It may not sound like much but opiates are very powerful drugs - especially when injected. You can always take a slightly higher dose another time if needs be but if you get it wrong on the high side first time out you don't get a second go at all.

I really do hope you reconsider but if not then at least go with the advice given here cos almost every body posting in this thread has either had an opiate addiction or still does. There is very good reason for all the calls for caution and thinking through what you intend to do cos you're going for a very risky combination of factors indeed.

That aside, enjoy (ideally not too much cos opiates are kinda moreish :|) and take care <3
 
Thanks everyone for the responses. This is legit morphine hcl, bought from the pharmacy.

I will try and do a follow up within the next week or so.
 
When you say "bought from the pharmacy" do you mean an online pharmacy or an actual pharmacy? Morphine is not sold at pharmacies in the UK or indeed any other country I know of (perhaps it is on Jupiter but I wouldn't rightly know) so I'm presuming you're meaning an online pharmacy which - as mentioned above - means there is absolutely no guarantee that it is what it says it is. It's your body but I'd want to be pretty damn sure it was what it says on the label and contains the same dose and concentration that it says on the label too. Especially when you have no real idea of what to expect in terms of effects anyway.
 
I appreciate your concern Shambles, this is legit morphine hcl not bought from an online pharmacy or any kind of onion site.

I do not live in Europe nor the States. The medication was for someone who sadly passed away. This is the only moral thing on my mind about doing it, I don't think the person who passed away would have wanted me to do this.

I was skeptical of posting here, even creating a thread but I'm glad I did. Wouldn't have been good if I did 3 vials.

Thank you all.

:)
 
I'm glad you started a thread too cos - as you say - three vials may have been a wee bit OTT ;)

I do understand that it can seem like a lot of namby-pambying around with all the concerns and questions - not to mention the occasional dire warning - but I'm sure you can understand that this is a very risky area and all the more so given your situation. BL is a Harm Reduction site so the things brought up are coming from a good place. Many of us here have been to hell and back with addictions and seen friends and loved ones lose their lives to overdoses (both intentional and accidental) or even just to the lifestyle that is (unfortunately) an intrinsic part of an illicitly-sourced opiate habit. And that's not even getting to the way it affects day to day existence whilst addicted.

I know you are thinking this will be a one-off experiment and is purely because circumstance allows, but that is a rather common belief amongst first-time users. All addicts were first-time users at one stage and very few could even conceive of what was going to happen once they crossed that line. I really don't mean to lecture cos I know exactly how I responded to the lectures I got when I was at the experimental stage, just be careful and really think about what you are doing at all times is all. Opiates are incredibly seductive and also incredibly insidious. You generally don't know it's become a problem until long after it has been a problem.

Lecture over but please, if you take nothing else from this thread do take the dosing advice. 2mg may not sounds like a lot but you may well be surprised. Once the plunger is pressed you can always take more, never less. If it's at all possible for you to have a friend at least available close by when you do it then please do so. Having OD'd myself I can promise you you don't get much time to do anything about it. I didn't even have time to take the needle out of my arm. I did have people close by though and lived to tell the tale. No thanks to them as it happens but that would be the tale and is not for this thread.

All that aside, be careful and enjoy :)

(just not too much ;))
 
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