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Morning Glory Seeds...First time...Massively Underestimated!!

Petey_pumpkin

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Location
south England, smallsville
Dose: 120-150 Morning Glory Seeds (‘Heavenly Blue’ variety). Oral.

T+ 0.00
I started my experience at about 1.30 A.M.
I chewed up about 120-150 seeds in my mouth until they were nothing but a thick liquid/mush. I held them in for about 5 or 10 minutes before swallowing with orange juice. I didn’t find the taste of the seeds too bad. They were just nutty, not like what I expected.
I’d already prepared some things to do, such as some good music (Psychedelic trance- Infected Mushroom, seemed very fitting!), some videos too watch (fear and loathing in las vegas! It had to be done!), and some animals (my cats!)!
After consuming the seeds, I went down stairs to get plenty of fresh water and orange juice. I also got some tamazepam and some Alka-Seltzer (tamazepam, incase things got out of hand, Alka-Seltzer to ease the stomach). I bought all these back up to my room, rolled a cigarette, then just did some final reading up on what to expect from Morning glory seeds on Erowid. About 25-30 minutes later, I began feeling different. I felt sort of ‘mellow’, as if stoned, but the most profound effect at this point was that I noticed my vision was starting to ‘flash’. The light from the computer screen was ‘flashing’. At first I thought I was just imagining this, and I was just experiencing placebo effect, but this sensation would increase in intensity as time went on. At this point, I began feeling a little queasy, so I took the Alka-Seltzer; this seemed to do the trick. I turned the computer off, and put on the film ‘Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas’.
T+ 1:00:
The ‘flashing’ I noticed earlier had intensified. Now all light objects were ‘glowing’. I knew now that this wasn’t a placebo effect, it was intense and I remember smiling to myself. I started feeling ‘warm’ and ‘fuzzy’, and I had a mild tingling feeling in my fingers and toes. I stopped the film, and went down stairs to check my eyes for pupil dilation. I turned the lights on in the kitchen, and remember thinking “wow!”. My kitchen if very bright, lots of colours and yellow walls with sunflowers. It all looked ‘nicer’ than usual; the walls were ‘glowing’. I remember thinking this is exactly how MDMA effects my perception, except for the ‘flashing/glowing’ sensation that was still growing more and more profound. I checked my pupils in the mirror, not expecting much. I was very shocked to see them large, but at the same time immensely pleased. I remember thinking “wow! These seeds actually work!”. I then went back up stairs and put the psychedelic trance on my hi-fi, and turned out the lights. My TV was still on, but only to provide some light, I turned the sound off. I put fear and loathing in Las Vegas back on, but found it hard to concentrate as the effects of the seeds got stronger and stronger.
T+ 1.45:
My whole body now felt extremely heavy. My legs and hands were very ‘fuzzy’; I felt like I was on amphetamines, but at the same time I felt very lethargic because my limbs felt so heavy.
My skin felt wonderful to touch, like on MDMA, and I had very pleasant ‘chills’ going through different parts of my body. I could control these ‘chills’ to some extent. I played around with this for a few minutes, then decided to try and walk downstairs to again check my pupils and go to the toilet.
I stood up and immediently felt wobbly. I noticed my vision was distorted. I went down stairs, I had a ‘floating’ sensation, then again I turned on the kitchen lights. This time, it was incredible. The light added a whole new dimension to everything that I was feeling. I smiled, and gazed around at the kitchen walls and all the wonderful colours it radiated. I also started to notice that objects and walls had ‘contours’ over them. I touched the bright yellow walls, and stroked them, just thinking, “Wow, this is incredible! Everything is beautiful and different!”. Then I went to the bathroom to check my eyes in the mirror again. This time, my pupils were like saucers! I felt incredibly happy about everything. I was so very glad I’d decided to try morning glory seeds. I then went to the toilet, but found it very hard to pee. My dick had also shrunk. All these effects reminded me so much of ecstasy, which pleased me mightily!
T+ 2.00:
Now back in my room in the dark, I began to feel a little overwhelmed by all these effects. So I took a very small dose of Tamezapam (about 5mg) to help take the edge off my anxiety. I was sat in my bed, listening to the music, and now I had fully come-up. I was stretching my hands, legs, toes, everything, simply because it felt absolutely wonderful. Every movement in my body would produce an indescribable feeling.
The tamezepam seemed to calm me down, and now I was just loving every minute of this experience. I kept just waving my hand and wiggling my fingers infront of my eyes. “Am I real? Or am I liquid?” was a strange re-occurring thought! I noticed my thought process was changing, and at first I found this difficult to handle. I tried to fight it at first, but then this was the wrong thing to do obviously, and so I just eventually learnt to go with it, and let go.


T+ 2.15-4.00:
This was the peak of my experience. During this time, I had some good visuals (shifting, patterns in walls, very pleasant shapes and patterns when I closed my eyes) and remember laying down and being the centre of the universe. My thoughts were fantastically fluid, and I had some control over where I chose to go. I pictured myself flying through space, and I remember an ‘entity’ showing me a map explaining where everything was in my head. ‘Everything’ being the options of where I wanted to go. Gateways into different emotions and visions. It all made perfect sense at the time.
I was tripping hard, and I was enjoying every second of it. I would often just burst into laughter for minutes at a time. I find it all overwhelming, but at this point I was in control. Thoughts were strange and sometimes confusing, but I always saw the funny side. I felt complete, and this was a reoccurring thought, “I am complete”.
I noticed the sun was starting to rise at about 4.30 A.M ( T+3.00), but I was disappointed to see the sky overcast with cloud. I preferred the light in my room, to the dim light outside. I didn’t want to sun to rise.
I wanted a cigarette, but just couldn’t organise my thoughts to get it. I kept thinking ‘I need a cigarette.’ But then when I’d try to think how to get one, and where the pack was, I’d just get confused and start thinking about something else completely non-related. I eventually managed to get a cigarette after about 40 minutes! Smoking was a strange experience, and about half way through I decided it was ‘pointless’ and ‘boring’, so I stubbed it out! “After all that effort…” I thought. I was filled with a sense of disappointment!

T+ 4.00-5.00 (5.30-6.30 A.M):
I was now coming down, though the sun had now risen. I decided to look outside. I opened the curtains of my window, and the outside world hit me. It was overwhelming on my senses, and I looked around at the other gardens and houses in the courtyard. Everything seemed a little bit ‘warped’. I starred at the houses for a few seconds, and the gardens/sheds, then they started to shift from side to side, and melt. This was the most intense visual I had of the experience that I can remember.
After this, the physical stimulation began to where off, though everything was still glowing. I sat on my bed, had a cigarette, and began to get very introspective.
T+5.00-8.00 (6.30-9.30 A.M)
This is where it all went wrong.
I wanted to get to sleep, because I had plans for the day, and it was 6.30 A.M.
Unfortunately, it was impossible to sleep. The light of the new day was now shinning through the window. When I closed my eyes, I could still see the light, and it was ‘flashing/glowing’ still. This was very off putting. I was also still getting very strange thoughts. People began to argue in my head. One was one of my friends, dressed in a rabbit suit, representing the ‘voice’ of myself. The other was a priest, who I’d never met before. The priest was saying stuff like “You’re NOT going to sleep yet!” My friend in the rabbit suit replied “Leave him alone and let him sleep!”.
This really began to annoy me. And I tried ignoring it, but this just made me worse. Eventually, I just thought I’d just wait it out, so I just sat on my bed and had a cigarette. The ‘voices’ were still talking. I began to feel scared because I thought I was going insane. I tried to get to sleep again, but now my stomach began to really hurt. I was getting shooting pains all through it.
I tried to go to the toilet, but couldn’t at first. I went back to bed, but the pain was too much for me to sleep. The voices now changed into this “Pete, you’re going to die!”. “Look at him, those seeds really did something bad to him.” I tried to calm down, but as the pains increased, so did the bad thoughts. I began sweating, and felt very hot. The veins in my arms were huge. Eventually, I managed to go to the toilet, but the pains continued. I finally managed to convince myself I was going to die, and only just managed to keep myself from waking up my parents and asking them to ring an ambulance. I had visions of myself in hospital, doctors asking my parents what I took, and them not knowing. The doctors said I’d die if they didn’t find what I took….All this just completely freaked me out.
My mother woke up at about 8.00 A.M, by which time I had calmed down a little. I was almost sure I wasn’t going to die anymore, but I was still in significant pain and couldn’t sleep. I went to the toilet one more time, and took some more Alka-Seltzer in an attempt to ease the pain. My mother asked me what was wrong. I said I had a stomach bug.
I eventually drifted off to sleep at about 9.00-9.30 A.M.



Well, this was one of the most intense drug experiences I’ve ever had.
The first 5 hours were absolutely fantastic. I haven’t enjoyed anything as powerful and magical since I first tried MDMA. I would even go as far as saying it was better.
However, it’s a shame the last few hours were so painful, physically and psychologically.
Despite this, I think I’ll be trying morning glory seeds again in the future, but next time I’m going to get the set and setting perfect. I’m also going to have a sitter, despite how much I enjoyed it by myself.
I think the bad part of my trip was due to me trying to resist the drug and worrying about not being able to get to sleep (I had things to do the next day), then when I began getting stomach pains, it just made the anxieties even worse. Next time I’m going to make sure I have no plans the next day. Basically, better planning is needed.
A few things I’ve learnt:
Set and setting are absolutely vital with this drug!
I really love psychedelics, even more than ecstasy, which to me is frightening!
Morning Glory seeds are not ‘herbal highs’! They are incredibly powerful psychoactives. If you don’t believe me, then try them! Until then, shut-up!
A few questions:
Why did I get such bad stomach pains? Could it be because I didn’t wash the seeds?
Should the stomach pains be this bad, or have I clearly done something wrong?

Sorry if this report is ‘incomplete’ or has spelling/grammar mistakes! It’s only T+19.00 (8.30 P.M the next day!). I’m still feeling a bit messy (my perception is subtly different), and i’ve only had about 6 hours sleep. My stomach is still quite soar too! 

PMK
 
Petey! Good report, I'm glad I got to read about your experience (and I'm glad you took my and other's advice to start low!)

Sounds like you had a good introduction to MG seeds, with all the highs and lows that come with the experience.

Your stomach pain was normal. Next time chug some Pepto Bismol, it helps a bit. Also next time I recommend smoking some herb when you feel yourself starting to peak. You will be blown away visually and mentally by the combination.

I had fun reading about the crazy thoughts in your head... I know what you mean by that =)

And yes, there are lots of things better than mdma =D

peace
 
I love Tofu

Morning glory seeds were my first psychedelic (besides pot) and I will never forget that night. They can be very powerful and many people underestimate what they are capable of doing. Nice report.
 
Thanks and thanks :).
I will write a redraft of this report, beacuse i left out some important parts (like my wonderful one to one with my cat :)), and I know I can write a much better one.
Anyway, yes. This was incredibly intense. I don't think I can handle doing it again for a while. I feel completely drained mentally and physically. I need time to pick up the pieces so to speak.
I was surprised how closely this resembled MDMA. When I peaked I felt strong physical stimulation, and the really nice feeling when you stretch your muscles. I also had loads of euphoria at one point. The giggling fits continued sporadically for about 3 hours. Also, the buzzing feeling, and tinggling sensations all over my body, which I could control were just out of this world!
I would've smoked some pot with it, but sometimes it disagrees with me. I get mild anxiety attacks. I didn't want to risk this on morning glory seeds. Besides, I really didn't feel the need to enhance the effects! They were overwhelming as it was!
A scary thing I forgot to mention was that I found a packet of 50 more seeds open, next to my bed! I'm so glad I didn't take these! I would've gone completely over the edge!

Are all trips this intense? What I mean is do you always go through virtually every emotion in this kind of depth with all psychedelics? I mean, right now i'm just feeling like i've been on a huge journey/adventure, and I saw some truly beautiful things, experienced some incredible happiness, and enlightenment somewhere in between. But I experienced sheer terror (the priest telling me I was going to die was so very unpleasant :(), and saw some things i wish i never saw....guess what i'm asking is, are all trips mini-adventures!?
Is there anyway of controlling trips (to some extent), or do you have to just let it all go and go with the flow? One thing that did help me when I was tripping bad was picturing an image of a smiling Buddha statue in the sunshine! You may laugh, but it really did feel me with a sense of calm and peacefulness....and i don't even consider myself a buddhist!


Thanks for all your help. You both gave some good advice, overral I did enjoy the experience. It's going to stick with me the rest of my life.

PMK
 
Petey_pumpkin said:

Are all trips this intense? What I mean is do you always go through virtually every emotion in this kind of depth with all psychedelics?

No. Some psychedelics are not very deep at all. Of the ones I've tried, 5-MeO-DiPT comes to mind first as being shallow. There is just no depth to it. I get a crappy body-load and some visuals, but no deep thinking or introspection or anything worthwhile actually. I also find 2C-T-2 to be somewhat lacking.

But beyond substance, set and setting influence a lot. When I first took methylone, it was at a party and I thought the chemical was a waste. It was fun, but there were no breakthroughs. I dismissed the chemical as a mere novelty. Then I took methylone while camping in the desert, and I had a mind-blowing experience that brought tears to my eyes. So how deep you go on a psychedelic depends on the substance, but also set and setting.
 
[A few questions:
Why did I get such bad stomach pains? Could it be because I didn’t wash the seeds?
Should the stomach pains be this bad, or have I clearly done something wrong?


Mg/hbwr seeds always cause stomach pains for me. I have a rule when using mg seeds to always puke one hour after ingestion,(you'll need to at my 350-400 seed dose) because doing that doesnt seem to weaken effects at all, and leaves the rest of the trip nausea free, no weed needed. if there still is a little nausea afterwards and you dont want to intensify the trip with cannabis, eat a very small piece of ginger, and you should be fine. if you feel like puking and have stomach cramps, JUST PUKE. you'll thank yourself when your trip is much more pleasant when peaking.

by the way, if you still have stomach pains, you probably just really need to take a shit. the day after a mg seed trip without puking them up first leaves you with the runs.
 
"how deep you go on a psychedelic depends on the substance, but also set and setting."

What would you recommend I try next? I'm looking for something perhaps a little less potent than my MG experience, certainly not more potent.....What I found so stressful and overwhelming about MG's was just struggling to stay calm about my thought process......At times it did feel like I was on the edge of insanity, a big headfuck.....What I enjoyed most were the CEV's, OEV's, and the way I could close my eyes and go into different places...so any recommendations that suit this criteria?

"by the way, if you still have stomach pains, you probably just really need to take a shit. the day after a mg seed trip without puking them up first leaves you with the runs."

Tell me about it......I was in bed until 4.00 P.M the next day, my stomach didn't feel right properly until the morning after that!

PMK
 
"What would you recommend I try next? I'm looking for something perhaps a little less potent than my MG experience, certainly not more potent.....What I found so stressful and overwhelming about MG's was just struggling to stay calm about my thought process......At times it did feel like I was on the edge of insanity, a big headfuck.....What I enjoyed most were the CEV's, OEV's, and the way I could close my eyes and go into different places...so any recommendations that suit this criteria?"



LSAs can give quite the mind trip, but ive been able to stay totally calm throughout most of my experiences with the seeds. Besides set and setting, its also very important to make sure you're not trying to resist the effects, let the chemicals take you.
A low dose(1.5-2 grams) of cubensis shrooms would probably be very enjoyable for you, since you're not looking for an extremely intense experience. although an amazing and mysterious psychedelic in my opinion, morning glories arent something very useful for recreation. im guessing that you're also just looking for a crazy and fun time along with the clarity and intensity of psychedelics, and shrooms fit that bill perfectly, since youre also looking for a calm experience.(shrooms are also more visual than mgs)
 
"LSAs can give quite the mind trip, but ive been able to stay totally calm throughout most of my experiences with the seeds. Besides set and setting, its also very important to make sure you're not trying to resist the effects, let the chemicals take you."

Yeah, it was my first experience with psychedelics, I wasn't prepared for what was coming....I tried fighting the effects for a while towards the start, because I found them overwhelming, but soon learnt to let go. A small dose of anti-anxietys helped calm me down, and from then on it was 5 hours of enjoyment, until the morning when I tried going to sleep, couldn't then so I tried fighting the effects because I was worried I wouldn't get enough sleep. Lead to anxiety, panic, big mindfuck, bad tripping.
I really think I should've started with something less potent, because to me LSA was a huge drain on my mind.

"although an amazing and mysterious psychedelic in my opinion, morning glories arent something very useful for recreation."

Yeah, I couldn't do them with more than 1 other person around, and i'd have to completely trust them (i'm doing it with my best friend soon because he's curious). I think the only time i'm going to use them will be on a personal-basis. Next time, i'm going to have a clear set of goals for the trip. I want to use MG's for deep personal self-gain. I think this is the only way i'll be able to benefit properly from using them.

"im guessing that you're also just looking for a crazy and fun time along with the clarity and intensity of psychedelics, and shrooms fit that bill perfectly, since youre also looking for a calm experience.(shrooms are also more visual than mgs)"

Yes, absolutely. Something I could do more regular than MG's. Something that isn't going to be such a mental drain, and something just a lot mellower, fun, and I can do with a few friends.... Shrooms do appeal actually. And I wouldn't mind trying 'Hippieflipping' on a few special occasions.

Thanks

PMK
 
Petey_pumpkin said:
What would you recommend I try next?

I don't recommend drugs to anyone. Read about all of them and decide for yourself. If you have a specific question about a psychedelic, I will be happy to answer it as anyone here should be.
 
Put on that asbestos folks...

woah woah woah woah! everyone needs just to chill out a bit here... I'm going to delete all the offtopic replies not relating to this report... Keep the flames OUT of TR!

:p :X


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