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More than just drugs

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So after my first encounter with a psychedelics I felt that there was more to it than it just being a drug.
Does anyone else feel this way about psych? I mean native Americans used to use Sam Pedro root to trip and go on spirit journeys. There has to be more to psyxhs than just Being a drug.
 
the widely accepted standard is that psychedelics are MUCH more than drugs, more commonly viewed as a tool that can help us explore, expand and interpret the inner workings of the infinite complexity that is the human mind.
 
Well, I think that drugs are exactly what they are. Their action in the brain is extremely complex, but they are still drugs. That does not, however, change the fact that they can be HUGELY rewarding and that they are great tools for introspection, deep contemplation and self-development. And boy do I love them for that :D
 
I've always been a firm believer that if you need drugs to do your soul searching, theres something wrong.

Not hating, just what i'm saying. I've had some deep moments on acid/mushrooms but 4-12 hours of introspection isn't my idea of a good time.
 
Not everything has to be fun. Some experiences are just beneficial.

And who said anything about needing drugs? Noone as far as I can see.

The distinction between using drugs for "soul searching" or doing it sober seems a bit unimportant and artificial anyway. It's the results that matter. As Leary put it, all of consciousness is a drug experience.
 
I've always been a firm believer that if you need drugs to do your soul searching, theres something wrong.

Not hating, just what i'm saying. I've had some deep moments on acid/mushrooms but 4-12 hours of introspection isn't my idea of a good time.

i don't need drugs to do my soul searching. merely, whenever i do acid or mushrooms, i contemplate my life's problems for a day or two (or an hour or two, depending) before i drop. this usually causes some sort of introspection at some point in my trip whcih truly helps me realize the folly of my ways.
 
I mean native Americans used to use Sam Pedro root to trip and go on spirit journeys. There has to be more to psyxhs than just Being a drug.

Different cultures also have used tobacco & alcohol for religious experiences. it doesn't make them 'more than just drugs'.

They are of course the best type of drugs. :D
 
It all comes down to what you take from the experience and why you choose to take the drugs. Alot of people enjoy taking psychedelics because they feel good and can be a fun time. To these people the drugs are just drugs, they feel good just like any other substance. Other people really enjoy the earth shattering effect of high dose psychedelics and find the experience to have long lasting beneficial qualities. These people may see psychs as a sacrement or even a way of life. I guess it depends on who you ask. :)
 
Psychedelic drugs, seem to me, to be a catalyst for a certain type of experience. How that experience goes, mostly depends on whats in you (aside from drugs ;) )
 
DAMN! I had like 5 paragraphs typed up in response and I hit some keyboard combination to go back and lost it all :X

I'll probably get inspired to re-write essentially the same thing but not right now.
 
So after my first encounter with a psychedelics I felt that there was more to it than it just being a drug.
Does anyone else feel this way about psych? I mean native Americans used to use Sam Pedro root to trip and go on spirit journeys. There has to be more to psyxhs than just Being a drug.

Though as mentioned all psychedelics are drugs they do have a profound effect on a person depending on what they take from the experience, for instance after my experience with salvia and dxm (separately mind you) I have a greater appreciation for what my mind is capable of doing and am interested how far I can go and what insites I can return with. One of my goals is to take a vision quest (I'm part Apache and want to do it in the traditional manner) and see what I come back with. I however have a close friend how understands the power of psychs and yet still uses them as a means to just "get ripped". To answer you question YES there can be more to them than just being a "drug" but, at the same time and at their core that is what they are is a drug but, a drug that can have a profound effect on the mind.
 
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Sasha Shulgin, on mescaline:

[Everything I had felt] had been brought about by a fraction of a gram of a white solid, but that in no way whatsoever could it be argued that these memories had been contained within the white solid... I understood that our entire universe is contained in the mind and the spirit. We may choose not to find access to it, we may even deny its existence, but it is indeed there inside us, and there are chemicals that can catalyze its availability.
 
What do you mean, "just" drugs? Psychedelics most certainly are drugs - chemicals with an effect on the body - why is that something to denigrate as "just" drugs? They are what they are. I think it's more valuable to use them as a chance to question your own false assumptions about what a "mere" chemical can and cannot do to your conscious experience, than to look to essentially mythological explanations. Whether you want to label the experience as 'spiritual' or not is probably mostly a function of how you define that term, but the experience comes from your own mind when its functioning is altered by a drug acting in your brain. Searching for deeper meaning within or related to the psychedelic experience is a valuable and rewarding process, but IMO it's a far more productive one if those basic facts are accepted as a starting point. To me, that means the primary thing to analyze is not external spirits but the internal nature of the mind. How must my mind be structured, such that simply adding a small amount of a chemical to my brain can cause such amazing, profound shifts in consciousness?
 
So after my first encounter with a psychedelics I felt that there was more to it than it just being a drug.
Does anyone else feel this way about psych? I mean native Americans used to use Sam Pedro root to trip and go on spirit journeys. There has to be more to psyxhs than just Being a drug.

I am right there with you Thizzlam, I don't look at them as drugs I look at them as stepping stones to personal growth. I mean I don't need them to grow as a person, but sometimes it just takes something really powerful to move me and that's what psychedelics are to me.

Good post amigo,

-djslife
 
I dont think its so much that specific substances are more than just a drug experience, but I think the psychedelic experience IS more than just a drug experience
 
As Leary put it:
Drugs - the terror word of the 20th century; but let's face this issue of drugs bluntly and factually. The embarrassing truth is that consciousness is a chemical phenomenon.
Everything that you have ever experienced you experienced because of a chemical reaction in your nervous system.
 
^^ Right on. :) About half of my post I lost earlier was about this. What is a drug? It's a chemical that binds to receptors in your nervous system and produces alterations in the way your mind-body system is functioning, whether with mental effects or just something physical, or even some subtle tweak of your biochemical makeup you wouldn't even notice. By this definition, emotions are "just" drug experiences since they're the result of endogenous neurotransmitter firing. Thought itself could be considered a drug experience, since the methods by which neurons work to communicate uses chemicals to facilitate.

So how does it make sense to differentiate between your body producing substances to alter the way you experience life, and introducing a foreign substance into your body purposefully to trigger an altered state? How is it different from meditation, where one purposefully enters an altered state of perception through willpower. As long as you're responsible with what you put into your body, it's perfectly okay to do so if you're not hurting anyone else.

So to actually answer your question, it really totally depends on the person and how they take the experience. A lot of people are looking for colors and visuals and laughter and they take it in situations that are conducive to social activity and generally centered around having a lot of crazy fun. For many of these people, they are just other drugs, in the sense that they see them as fun, powerful, but basically just a recreational experience they haven't gotten anything meaningful or applicable from.

Other people might take a psychedelic and end up having a powerful spiritual experience or come to some really important conclusions or realizations about their lives. So for these people, psychedelics, while being technically defined as "drugs", are not thought of in the same way as non-psychedelic drugs. They are a special class that produces a state which is amazing to experience and enlightening and they tend to be thought of more as "medicine" or "sacraments" rather than "drugs".

Or, if you look at it another way, any chemical is "just a drug". The drug itself doesn't have magical properties. The drug locks into certain receptor sites in our bodies and gets metabolized and as these things happen, an experience begins to happen. But the drug itself isn't something unique from other kinds of drugs, but the experience you had as a result (you could also have a powerful experience while sober, particularly if something really intense happens or if you're at a place that inspires strong feelings and experiences such as the Grand Canyon.

Like with all things in like, it's all about how you look at it. :)
 
I really like, and resonate with the quote from Shulgin above.

Taking "drugs" that are not produced by our body can clearly be a catalyst to realize that there are deeper things going on around us than we perceive during normal day to day life.

the collective unconscious, "god", the universe, "it"

whatever you want to call it seems to become much more evident and clear when these "drugs" are used in certain ways.

I often tell people eating a large dose of LSD is like "god" (i'd rather say the universe or existence or ??!?!?!) is slamming your head with a sledge hammer saying.

I AM HERE!!!!! HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLE DENY THIS FACT AFTER EXPERIENCING THIS


These types of experiences are clearly dependent upon set an setting but, almost regardless of setting eating psychedelics opens you up to the fact that more is going on around us than we typically notice. After an experience last Saturday I've still felt extremely opened up, loving, kind, and glad TO BE ALIVE. Than I was before the experience.

Using human language to try and describe an "experience" really is impossible, so the word "drugs" doesn't really work as well...

Love you all! SPREAD IT
 
I AM HERE!!!!! HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLE DENY THIS FACT AFTER EXPERIENCING THIS


These types of experiences are clearly dependent upon set an setting but, almost regardless of setting eating psychedelics opens you up to the fact that more is going on around us than we typically notice. After an experience last Saturday I've still felt extremely opened up, loving, kind, and glad TO BE ALIVE. Than I was before the experience.

Using human language to try and describe an "experience" really is impossible, so the word "drugs" doesn't really work as well...

Love you all! SPREAD IT

I totally identify with this, very well put Organic!

-djstrip
 
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