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Anon54

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A thread i made called "doctor shopping" was closed & ive still got more questions
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=552087

now i cant get meds easy cuz i was cough about 8 months ago after someone rang the medicare hotline
was seeing 3 surgerious (mostly for benzos). but each sergery had alot of drs in em so i seen alot of drs even though it was only the 3 sergeries

if u see a certain amnunt of drs & get a certain amount of items its consitered dr shopping.

during those 3 months some of these drs i was getting precripitions from were for various asthma meds i was trying or various ssris, ssri scrips i had lost, antibiotics etc. as well as the stuff mi was taken more then precribed.
are these included as part of the PBS items that goes toward the target amount of items to be consitted a dr shopper?
Is there a list of the items that get included someone could give me a link too?

is seein a different dr cuz u dont wanna wait to see ya usual dr for asthma meds etc. consitered as dr shopping? (sometimew its not always convenient to see my regular dr cuz his rarely there & sometimes i require meds asap & other dr surgeries can have shorter waits or dont charge as much)

i wanna do the right thing now but realized ive already seen heaps of drs the last few months not for only benzos/painkillers (which mi not shopping for anymore bit for other stuff too)
besides the conselling is it against the law here in nsw to dr shop & what are the penalties.? What kinda trouble, if any u think i'll be in?

I know its not legal in america but not sure about here in nsw
I DO NOT INTEND TO DR SHOP FOR BENZOS/OPIATES. I just want info so i know to do the right thing in the future
 
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the other thread was closed off for good reasons.

I have a feeling when balarki wakes up this shall be shut down too :)

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Ah so, you were accused of doctor shopping previously?

dude, asthma meds and ssris are not going to be an issue. you are not going to be refused medical attention because previously you were suspected of doctor shopping for benzos and opiates.

As for the penalities, I don't know. I have a feeling this is just your anxiety coming through and you are worrying about something excessively that is not an issue. if you still need benzos are in legitimate need of them and doctors are giving you problems., I recommend you go see a psychiatrist who can do a more thorough analysis of your anxiety issues, see you are not lying, and then prescribe you a therapeutic dose. tell them you may need more than 5mg valium and then they will assess if this will be beneficial for you.

i recommend you go see a psych, coz you obviously have some pretty big anxiety about this. If the cops aren't knocking on your door, then you are fine. Honestly, they and the courts have alot more crimes to solve and deal with than a guy who eats to many benzos occassionally. What you have done is simply not worth their time.

besides, has anyone actually found out if this even a criminal offence, worthy of anything more than doctors being involved?
 
headdah said:
the other thread was closed off for good reasons.

I have a feeling when balarki wakes up this shall be shut down too :)

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im not giving advise on how to dr shop. I think this is a plausable threat

im just surprized that i got up- to so many items. im not sure number exactly but its a certain amount of script items & a certain amount of drs ya see that at a point defined u are a dr shopper who is then warned about on there screen to be careful about given scrips too. (which i dont want)
im just wondering if my asthma stuff, antibiotics etc are inclused in these items list.

becfause if they were i wanna go back have a chat with the medicare to clear my name & alow my surgery to not have a warning about being careful of what to precribe me.
if one day i genuenly need strong pain killers for example I dont wanna be dispointed when i walk out of the surgery cuz they think im justm chasin somethin cuz ive had a bad day
imo i only got a few items more than i should & it just looked bad cuz in the 3 surgerys i went too theres like 10 drs in each so it looked like id seen a heap of drs when i was only actually going to one & then 2 others a few times.
so ppl be wary even if u go to your usualy surery but see a different dr cuz ya usal one is away to pick up ya script. ya than consitered to be dr shopping even though they know what ya taken from there computer. its rediculous
 
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what is your asthma medication? Can it be abused? If not, you do not have to worry about it.

Antibiotics are not abusable, you will not be denied antibiotics if you have an infection. This would go against a doctors hippocratic oath.

If you are taking SSRIs, no doctor will stop treating you with these because you have been flagged. Though addictive (in a sense), they are not a drug of abuse, and you would not be taken off them by a doctor for doctor shopping.

Opiates and benzos are the ones you might have a problem with. All you can do is explain the situation to the doctor. Its then up to them.

just in summary; if the drugs are non abusable, and important for your treatment, you will not be denied them.
 
^ This.

And thanks for the links katmeow, I was trying to explain in another thread that Medicare can provide information on suspected doctor shoppers. Those links explain how it all works via Medicare. :)
 
but give the guy a break. we can't all be superheroes like you.
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It's like this guy is out to destroy the reputation of doctors at his local clinic(s), though psytaco. And it's still in the process of being worked out whether I can be bothered to do this type of shit...Jesus, whats'up with me pissing off all my old school companions?
 
Thanks for that info katmeow. It seems doc shopping is actually easier than I originally thought.
 
^ The odds are in favor of you being caught. It's not just Medicare running checks, it's also the DDU or whatever unit in your state monitors prescriptions for drugs of dependence.
 
wo what is the info regarding the law/penelties.
i read the medicare website & it seems its not illegal although u get black lised, & a bad reputation amkin it hard to get pills when u really need em
 
Ah so, you were accused of doctor shopping previously?

dude, asthma meds and ssris are not going to be an issue. you are not going to be refused medical attention because previously you were suspected of doctor shopping for benzos and opiates.

As for the penalities, I don't know. I have a feeling this is just your anxiety coming through and you are worrying about something excessively that is not an issue. if you still need benzos are in legitimate need of them and doctors are giving you problems., I recommend you go see a psychiatrist who can do a more thorough analysis of your anxiety issues, see you are not lying, and then prescribe you a therapeutic dose. tell them you may need more than 5mg valium and then they will assess if this will be beneficial for you.

i recommend you go see a psych, coz you obviously have some pretty big anxiety about this. If the cops aren't knocking on your door, then you are fine. Honestly, they and the courts have alot more crimes to solve and deal with than a guy who eats to many benzos occassionally. What you have done is simply not worth their time.

besides, has anyone actually found out if this even a criminal offence, worthy of anything more than doctors being involved?
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Fucking A.

wo what is the info regarding the law/penelties.
i read the medicare website & it seems its not illegal although u get black lised, & a bad reputation amkin it hard to get pills when u really need em
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I've been blacklisted from 4 different medical surgeries due to drugs being found by my father in my bedroom. He wrote them a letter, explained my circumstances, and now I've been 'blacklisted' LOL from 4 different surgeries. The PBS hasn't come down on me or the doctors. Neither has Medicare. I'm still allowed to be prescribed shit on the PBS (like today, I got 50 Valium and some Panadeine Forte) from a doctor FOR legitimate use...A. The Valium is to assist me through withdrawal and B. the Panadeine is due to a broken toe. Both PBS medications bro. I really think that it's your anxiety.

Dude, may I suggest to you to start up an SSRI/SNRI on top of the Valium. Placebo effect is really noticeable in some individuals who are taking them. Cymbalta is a good one, as well as Aropax. Cymbalta is approved for depressive disorders as well as "G.A.D." which you clearly suffer from. Aropax is approved for like 5 anxiety-depressive disorders, such as PD, S.A.D., G.A.D., M.D.D. and PTSD...I really think that you would benefit from these brother.

All the best Anon,
Squiggle.
 
^ SSRI/SNRI therapy can have more then a placebo effect on anxiety... they are just working through a different mechanism to benzodiazepines.
 
Yeah dude. LOL. I'm more cynical day by day after watching this movie called "Love and Other Drugs" about a pharma rep for Pfizer.
 
well been taken vals. but just got scripted Zyprexa (olanzapine)
atleast i'll be able to get to sleep got 10mg tabs. wanna take half a one but not sure how long i should wait to take the other half if im still not asleep in a few hrs

so a anti-pychotics generally more fucked up than ssris/snris?
thinkin of tryin effexor heard w/d were fucked up but found tramadol w/d to be not so bad afer taking for a few months (150mg/day)

like the benzos for anxiety best so far but it seems like theres nothing perfect in this world always has to be a catch. (w/d)
 
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well been taken vals. but just got scripted Zyprexa (olanzapine)
atleast i'll be able to get to sleep got 10mg tabs. wanna take half a one but not sure how long i should wait to take the other half if im still not asleep in a few hrs

so a anti-pychotics generally more fucked up than ssris/snris?
thinkin of tryin effexor heard w/d were fucked up but found tramadol w/d to be not so bad afer taking for a few months (150mg/day)

like the benzos for anxiety best so far but it seems like theres nothing perfect in this world always has to be a catch. (w/d)
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With SSRI/SNRIs you really need to try and see if it is right for you. Effexor was the first AD I tried and I had to stop after 3 days because the side effects were intolerable. It also well known that it has some very bad withdrawal symptoms. I found zoloft much better, and much more effective. Though I had both depression and anxiety, so you might respond differently.

Yeah benzos are good for anxiety, but are addictive and the WD from them is a nightmare. If you can be sensible with your dosage (ie. stick to what is prescribed) and not use them everyday it will keep the risks low.

Can't speak for anti-psychotics. Never tried them.
 
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well been taken vals. but just got scripted Zyprexa (olanzapine)

Jeez olanzapine, be careful with that as I had a friend who was prescribed that cause he was into meth and his doc thought he was psychotic (when I don't think he was).

It completeley turned him into a zombie and he never could wake up in the morning. Totally changed him for the worse.

I'm not saying you don't need it or it won't work for you. Just saying from what it did to my mate - I would really use it as a last option.
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^ It is very sedating... of the newer generation antipsychotics it is one of the most sedating.

If the olanzapine is too strong, then something like ziprasidone might work better. I wouldn't want to be taking antipsychotics long term though unless you need them for a psychotic illness; they do completely change you and in my time on them, sucked all the fun out of life.
 
took 10mg zyprexa last nite, not as strong as i thought it would be & woke up earlier than usualy :/ although i didnt wake up during the night so it kept me asleep so it might be a good insomnia med for me


ANYWAYS,.
i seen my main dr (#1) who didnt wanna give me benzos no more so i said im gettin a second opinion & got precribed em from another dr, (dr #2) (I told my dr #1 I got scripted benzos from another dr so he knows. & said its prob not a good idea to use benzos cuz i used to take alot of em but didnt mind that id seen another dr & scripted me zyprexa to see if that could help me.

would it be dr shopping to get the benzos from the "dr #2 & continue getting zyprexa from my dr #1?

cuz im woried that the dr #2 wont give me benzos anymore cuz my main dr is given me zyprexa

am i obligated to tell the #2 im also taking zyprexa occationly from my dr #1 or would this be withholding information & if the dr #2 found out he may cut of my benzos or maybe consitered dr shopping

thx
 
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