MisterDC
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Edit: Text wall, sorry.
(TL;DWR? Cliffs: WTF is with the Piper!? Seen it personally yet? Friends? Comment if you've had experience with it, and feel free to share your opinion about how lame it is and how it's a miserable substitute for even 2C molecules - unless you need to cram for finals. Or ya know, if you actually like it...er...why? What's the justification?)
Hey all!
Just thought I'd bring this up, since it wound up being this particular compounds' atypical style that brought me here - just as the glorious asscrack of dawn prepares to pull itself over the horizon and moon me unabashedly.
Sum Up:
Last night, a female accomplice and a, dare I say, dashing young man happened across some items for inventory which seem to be coming up more and more often across this great nation. I'm sure you can guess what it is, and I'm sure it's likely been brought up before here (implied apology for assumed redundancy) - but it's been quite a while since I indulged in this particular pasttime, sooo...
If you're smart, the first guess might be that they're another adulterated candy with the ever-so-popular and occasionally-fatal Shulgin compounds packaged as MDMA these days (2c-B, 2c-I, 2c-c-7 - the usual suspects). An awesome guess, initially I wouldn't be able to agree more, happens all the time, and this was immediately tested for given the sharp quality of these molecules - but in this case, I was actually expecting there to be no MDMA and was kind of hoping for a controversial RC refreshment.
I wound up let down. TOTALLY let down - but hella awake at least - and able to write this with zero rest and weird tone permeating it.
I'm referring here to two particular punchout items - Mr. Yellow Decepticon (how tongue-in-cheek - what kind of asshole punches fake E with a DECEPTicon logo on it? Dick!) and his apparent accomplice, Mr. Orange Bart Simpson. I'm sure these aren't the only ones out there, but they somehow wound up here, in my misty blue mountain backwoods town:
Again, I'm sure there are other variation on these (I believe I saw a Ninja Turtle Head with the same composition in a report somewhere, come to think of it), but in this case, obviously our aforementioned anti-hero couple wound up getting a really cheapass deal, so...ya know, feck it! No loss there!
So they called a semi-expert on the subject - me - for my "professional" opinion on the matter - which I was happy to give based on my, er, let's say intimate understanding of a vast array of substitutes and adulterants. Upon analysis in the G.C. Mass-Spec (I wish ha), these two lil yellow/orange suckers (again, the products, not the aforementioned super-fly couple) wound up being:
*Drum Roll for Those Who Don't Already Know/Don't See This Coming*
1. Benzylpiperazine
2. (deep breath) Trifluoromethylphenylpiperazine AND...
3. ...What I'm guessing is a splash of Mrs. Dash for flavor - in this case, standard binders, and probably a pinch of caffeine and it's buddy cocaine (or perhaps procaine - mild localized analgesia was indeed noted post-insufflation, but this may be related to the other two active ingredients).
Indeed, these are dark days! The super-aptly-named Pied-Piper Piperazine hath thus lured his victims out of the nest with promises of good things to come, only to again be led astray, like the squiggly-wiggly den of previously super-happy-horny entactogenic snakes they were! The humanity!
...Or lack thereof! What's worse!? Whatever!
So anywho, I'm sure there are members here more familiar with these items than myself, since the couple - who is clearly not me or my girlfriend - considers these activities something of a rare indulgence for dealing with an otherwise miserably stressful existence.
Thus, I found myself there, noting and observing, quite familiar with the compounds, but admittedly surprised at where they had just turned up. Didn't see it comin.
SO! I just thought I'd ask you guys what you all think - and more specifically, whether these lil bastards have been drifting around your neighborhood streets as well. Don't get me wrong - our male protagonist was up all night reviewing the literature, and honestly quite enjoyed the calmer, more focused mindset. On the other hand, his teeth keep grinding regardless of the benzo offset, and our hero can't help but be the usual kind of pissed off he is when products are misrepresented. It's like misrepresenting the weight of livestock - it should be akin to larson if it weren't of questionable legality already...
I mean, our protagonist adventurer DOES, to a degree, appreciate that the 2C class compounds for their usual...lets say reliability - most notably how they actually have non-specific serotonergic activity, like they're supposed to - but aside from the monumental amount of work he achieved, he's a little let down (albeit now keenly aware of what to do should a random test come up).
I'm just glad I can 1. Identify this kind of thing, 2. Know how and when to use them and 3. Feel more comfortable that the research done, though admittedly not much, is at least SLIGHTLY more comprehensive than the typical alternate Shulgin Masterolocules.
For those of you with the experience, I need not even state that these somewhat atypical amphetamine-class drugs could barely be considered the inbred redhead stepchild of Shulgin's sweet baby Molly, and it is of course quite irritating when people assume that anything with "phetamine" at the end of the word or in it's description is an appropriate substitute for the real deal. Dopamine traded in for a brain's serotonin shower? I think not! That's false advertising! I'll sue you fucks! HE'S JUST A PHONY!
So yeah! Impracticality of that last bit aside, who else is running into these? Is it as widespread as, say, the tradeoff for the always-popular 2C classes of chems in X? Is this the future we're staring down the barrel of? Not simply E with no E in it - we're all used to that by now - but E with a completely different class of amphetamines shoved in for quick cheap profit, serving a purpose which says "efficacy only if cramming for midterms or giving abstract dissertations"?
What's the honest opinion about these newcomers flooding an already compromised market? Aside from, of course, how irritating (and potentially reckless) it is that street drugs keep turning away from safer, well-researched, documented compounds we all love to these somewhat scary, perhaps dangerous, rarely used, poorly understood, and totally unstudied RCs and Pharm Extracts?
Additionally, what do we know here? As usual, the research is limited to those willing to act as guinea pigs - do we really have any concepts regarding long-term effects or safety comparisons or, well, ANYTHING? I've reviewed some documentation (including one case study of fatal adema with co-morbid administration of genuine MDMA - why anyone would do this escapes me entirely), but there's very little to go on that actually contains any empirical data, aside from the statistics the DEA and police release that state what we already all know...
...That it's out there, it's cut into the things we used to love and cherish, Sweet Molly's good name's been slandered, and we have to be more careful today than ever before, and even moreso tomorrow.
And at the very least, if there aren't a lot of opinions or information on these shiny new toys - or if I'm just missing the ones already stated - then I at least hope that this post can help someone make a wise choice when presented the options.
Anywho, just hoping someone might be able to shed some light on to the who, what, when, where, why, how, and wtf is next to come out of this new X's Pied-Piper-Piperazine. Opinions and experiences appreciated as well
Adios!
DC
(TL;DWR? Cliffs: WTF is with the Piper!? Seen it personally yet? Friends? Comment if you've had experience with it, and feel free to share your opinion about how lame it is and how it's a miserable substitute for even 2C molecules - unless you need to cram for finals. Or ya know, if you actually like it...er...why? What's the justification?)
Hey all!
Just thought I'd bring this up, since it wound up being this particular compounds' atypical style that brought me here - just as the glorious asscrack of dawn prepares to pull itself over the horizon and moon me unabashedly.
Sum Up:
Last night, a female accomplice and a, dare I say, dashing young man happened across some items for inventory which seem to be coming up more and more often across this great nation. I'm sure you can guess what it is, and I'm sure it's likely been brought up before here (implied apology for assumed redundancy) - but it's been quite a while since I indulged in this particular pasttime, sooo...
If you're smart, the first guess might be that they're another adulterated candy with the ever-so-popular and occasionally-fatal Shulgin compounds packaged as MDMA these days (2c-B, 2c-I, 2c-c-7 - the usual suspects). An awesome guess, initially I wouldn't be able to agree more, happens all the time, and this was immediately tested for given the sharp quality of these molecules - but in this case, I was actually expecting there to be no MDMA and was kind of hoping for a controversial RC refreshment.
I wound up let down. TOTALLY let down - but hella awake at least - and able to write this with zero rest and weird tone permeating it.
I'm referring here to two particular punchout items - Mr. Yellow Decepticon (how tongue-in-cheek - what kind of asshole punches fake E with a DECEPTicon logo on it? Dick!) and his apparent accomplice, Mr. Orange Bart Simpson. I'm sure these aren't the only ones out there, but they somehow wound up here, in my misty blue mountain backwoods town:
Again, I'm sure there are other variation on these (I believe I saw a Ninja Turtle Head with the same composition in a report somewhere, come to think of it), but in this case, obviously our aforementioned anti-hero couple wound up getting a really cheapass deal, so...ya know, feck it! No loss there!
So they called a semi-expert on the subject - me - for my "professional" opinion on the matter - which I was happy to give based on my, er, let's say intimate understanding of a vast array of substitutes and adulterants. Upon analysis in the G.C. Mass-Spec (I wish ha), these two lil yellow/orange suckers (again, the products, not the aforementioned super-fly couple) wound up being:
*Drum Roll for Those Who Don't Already Know/Don't See This Coming*
1. Benzylpiperazine
2. (deep breath) Trifluoromethylphenylpiperazine AND...
3. ...What I'm guessing is a splash of Mrs. Dash for flavor - in this case, standard binders, and probably a pinch of caffeine and it's buddy cocaine (or perhaps procaine - mild localized analgesia was indeed noted post-insufflation, but this may be related to the other two active ingredients).
Indeed, these are dark days! The super-aptly-named Pied-Piper Piperazine hath thus lured his victims out of the nest with promises of good things to come, only to again be led astray, like the squiggly-wiggly den of previously super-happy-horny entactogenic snakes they were! The humanity!
...Or lack thereof! What's worse!? Whatever!
So anywho, I'm sure there are members here more familiar with these items than myself, since the couple - who is clearly not me or my girlfriend - considers these activities something of a rare indulgence for dealing with an otherwise miserably stressful existence.
Thus, I found myself there, noting and observing, quite familiar with the compounds, but admittedly surprised at where they had just turned up. Didn't see it comin.
SO! I just thought I'd ask you guys what you all think - and more specifically, whether these lil bastards have been drifting around your neighborhood streets as well. Don't get me wrong - our male protagonist was up all night reviewing the literature, and honestly quite enjoyed the calmer, more focused mindset. On the other hand, his teeth keep grinding regardless of the benzo offset, and our hero can't help but be the usual kind of pissed off he is when products are misrepresented. It's like misrepresenting the weight of livestock - it should be akin to larson if it weren't of questionable legality already...
I mean, our protagonist adventurer DOES, to a degree, appreciate that the 2C class compounds for their usual...lets say reliability - most notably how they actually have non-specific serotonergic activity, like they're supposed to - but aside from the monumental amount of work he achieved, he's a little let down (albeit now keenly aware of what to do should a random test come up).
I'm just glad I can 1. Identify this kind of thing, 2. Know how and when to use them and 3. Feel more comfortable that the research done, though admittedly not much, is at least SLIGHTLY more comprehensive than the typical alternate Shulgin Masterolocules.
For those of you with the experience, I need not even state that these somewhat atypical amphetamine-class drugs could barely be considered the inbred redhead stepchild of Shulgin's sweet baby Molly, and it is of course quite irritating when people assume that anything with "phetamine" at the end of the word or in it's description is an appropriate substitute for the real deal. Dopamine traded in for a brain's serotonin shower? I think not! That's false advertising! I'll sue you fucks! HE'S JUST A PHONY!
So yeah! Impracticality of that last bit aside, who else is running into these? Is it as widespread as, say, the tradeoff for the always-popular 2C classes of chems in X? Is this the future we're staring down the barrel of? Not simply E with no E in it - we're all used to that by now - but E with a completely different class of amphetamines shoved in for quick cheap profit, serving a purpose which says "efficacy only if cramming for midterms or giving abstract dissertations"?
What's the honest opinion about these newcomers flooding an already compromised market? Aside from, of course, how irritating (and potentially reckless) it is that street drugs keep turning away from safer, well-researched, documented compounds we all love to these somewhat scary, perhaps dangerous, rarely used, poorly understood, and totally unstudied RCs and Pharm Extracts?
Additionally, what do we know here? As usual, the research is limited to those willing to act as guinea pigs - do we really have any concepts regarding long-term effects or safety comparisons or, well, ANYTHING? I've reviewed some documentation (including one case study of fatal adema with co-morbid administration of genuine MDMA - why anyone would do this escapes me entirely), but there's very little to go on that actually contains any empirical data, aside from the statistics the DEA and police release that state what we already all know...
...That it's out there, it's cut into the things we used to love and cherish, Sweet Molly's good name's been slandered, and we have to be more careful today than ever before, and even moreso tomorrow.
And at the very least, if there aren't a lot of opinions or information on these shiny new toys - or if I'm just missing the ones already stated - then I at least hope that this post can help someone make a wise choice when presented the options.
Anywho, just hoping someone might be able to shed some light on to the who, what, when, where, why, how, and wtf is next to come out of this new X's Pied-Piper-Piperazine. Opinions and experiences appreciated as well
Adios!
DC
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