Molly and heart problems?

[hank333]

Hi guys I was wondering if I could have the benefit of your wisdom for a second. Im a 39 year old guy thats been doing drugs recreation ally for 20 odd years now. Nothing too profound ecstacy and coke mainly. For the past few months Ive been doing coke once or twice a week (a gram every time) then doing ecstacy every couple of weeks. Oh and I smoke 15-20 ciggarettes a day. Anyway I was rolling one night and took a very strong pill that had me really down and not happy or jubilant no euphoric rush this pill seemed to last for hours, my friend suggested I take a Molly they were very good. I did and a while later I had the most horrible experience my left arm went numb, I started sweating and my heart felt as if it was gonna pop out of my chest. This lasted around 30 minutes. I went hope felt like crap took a xanex and luckily got to sleep. Anyway a few days later I started getting chest pains and went to the hospital got all the tests done (eco, ekg, nuclear) and they said I was fine. Although I still had chest pains I decided to roll again a week or so later. After my roll I had water retention and couldnt pee so I went to the hospital and they did some bloods and said my troponin levels were high (I had snorted some Meth on the Friday then gone to the gym and rolled on Sunday evening when I had the same experience of sweating, heart racing but not as exagerated as the previous time) they did all the tests again , stress, eco, ekg, and said that my heart had microscopic trauma but no damage. I stopped rolling and havent for 3 weeks now. My question is I have been told by the doctors that my heart is not damaged but should I roll again like one pill a night or a couple of lines of coke here and there? I go to the gym everyday now and do lots of cardio? Has anybody had an experience like mine who can shed light on my situation? What im saying is can I build my heart up make it strong and do drugs again?I know I sound like an utter idiot but club land is my life and I really cant see myself not using drugs again but I dont want to die?

Please dont condemn me because I know how folish I sound but I hope theres some people out there who can show me some compassion and transparency?

Keep smiling

Hank

 

[yanker]

Haha this answers my question to the other thread u started lmaoo! U my friend are a donkey! Lol if ur having chest pains and rolling on shit that makes ur limbs go numb may I suggest u take a step back and look at urself? First off u should test ur ecstasy to make sure its legit 2nd of all ur doing way to many drugs to often. 3rdof all you've had to go to the hospital twice already maybe drugs aren't for u? Just saying....

 

[hank333]

thankyou for not being condescending and I appreciate your constructive advice Mr Yanker

 

[Folley]

Do you know what an addict is? One definition says it's someone who continues to use a drug even though they know it is causing problems to their health and lives.... I agree with Yanker, you should take a step back and look at your life man...




Of COURSE you shouldn't roll, I don't even know why you would ask... but I have a feeling you'll do it anyways Come on man, you only get one body!! Take care of it!




Also, sounds like the first pill you took was a piperazine. Not ecstasy. Look it up, maybe that'll put some sense in you to use drugs responsibly when you realize that you've been eating animal dewormers...
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/piperazines/piperazines.shtml

 

[zSkittle]

Drugs are fun and all but you gotta look at the long run man! I feel the cocaine, ecstasy, and cigarettes are putting WAY way to much strain on your heart. You should defiantly limit your drugs use man. Continue running and working on your cardio, who knows maybe you start a new life of just working out and running all the time like my parents just did. Thats the best I got I'm only 16 lol. Good luck.

 

[Folley]

Thats the best I got I'm only 16 lol.

Don't let that hold you back, I am too



Take it from me man, I used to be addicted to MDMA and methamphetamine.... you only have ONE body, you need to take care of it. One day you're going to wake up and look back at how you've wasted all your potential and it's not going to be a good day... savor your time now, you don't need drugs to make you feel good.

 

[Psychedelic Sunset]

For folley and zskittle only being 16 they've offered you some pretty viable answers. you've only got 1 body hank, don't let chemicals destroy it. the first episode you explained when your left arm went numb sounds exactly like a heart attack and should not be taken lightly. keep in mind that most members of this site are in their teens or twenty's and are still relatively young in the drug game, while we might be able to party all night and mix all kinds of uppers without hurting our bodies too much someone in your age group nearing 40 will cause much more harm to their bodies and take much longer to recover. it's time to realize that your club days can't continue forever and will have to stop eventually, either because you're in a body bag or because you decide to quit yourself. if you continue at this pace with your current age you are just asking for a severe problem to happen. the choice will ultimately be yours hank, but I ask you to take a look at these past episodes and consider whether or not they're related to 20 + years of partying. the only way to continue to get high without experiencing heart problems will be getting high on life! good luck!

 

[2c-goinsane]

i agree with what alot of others have said.

i would put everything down for as long as you can basically forget about em would be the best thing to do ime, your not letting your body/mind catch back up in between experiences. also cigarettes, mdma and cocaine are terribly hard on the body ime and im in excellent shape, its just there side effects and you also notice more negative side effects after continuous usages, some of the effects will also be more pronounced than before of course. often uses with all of those will destroy me aswel why i just use them very very occasionally, keep it like a treat or a vacation you rarely take itll be more enjoyable ime.

addictions not fun either can really take a toll, alot more than youd think in the beginning aswel. it can also be very hard to get back on track once you start slipping up ime its totally not worth it ime, i didnt believe itd be that bad with mdma but i was very very wrong best to just respect the stuff and only use occasionally, you can still stock up and save things it takes will power though but that should be easy, thats what i do now i like holding onto things and collecting them almost just as much as consuming them. also you dont have to view yourself as never taking drugs again just take a break, in the long run youll actually be able to enjoy drugs for a longer period of time. using more in a short amount time your most likely going to get burnt out and your going to get tired of it.

you can recover just give it time, it wont happen over night. you can do things to speed up the healing process though by being healthy, exercise, do activities, keep yourself busy, keep your mind off consuming drugs etc.

also psychedelics are pretty interesting you might want to check some of those out they can be very rewarding, ime they really dont carry alot of negative side effects with them or atleast the more safer ones(lsd,mushrooms,dmt,mescaline).

 

[effie]

You definitely should stay away from stimulants; now your heart has undergone trauma it is more at risk of succumbing to further damage and suffering a serious heart attack. Anything that increases your heart rate and force of contraction artificially (and therefore potentially beyond what is healthy) should be avoided, so this includes MDMA and other stimulants. You especially want to avoid cocaine as it it is a particularly potent vasoconstrictor; speeding the heart up increases the amount of oxygen it needs but constricting the blood vessels decreases the amount it can get, which is a recipe for a heart attack. Methamphetamine is also a good vasoconstrictor so definitely stay away from this too.

You need to take care of your heart - think of this as an alarm bell..

 

[BobJillespie]

The fact that no serious damage was done to your heart - apparently - is irrelevant. An ECG shows the electrical signals emanating from your heart from different perspectives. An ECG will only show an irregular rhythym if a) you have a conduction issue or b) you have tissue damage impeding the flow of current, lack of oxygenation of the tissue, ie; a current or past heart attack. Keep in mind, if there is no damage, nothing will show up. And the stress test, it's the same as a normal ECG except you're putting additional stress on the heart. What this does show any areas of the heart that are starved of oxygen during increased output. This happens because of blockages in one of your three arteries that feed the heart. You can have blockages in your arteries and pass both a stress test and ECG. I worked in a cardiac cath lab for a few years and we did a couple Angiograms on people who passed stressed tests who turned out to have 90%+ blockages. In this example that means the tissue supplied by that particular artery was receiving 10% of its normal flow, it was getting a little more from collateral supply however, and this the heart soldiered on. And think of a blockage as a pie sticking out of the wall of the artery, the outside is rock hard, but inside its all gooey. Sometimes these "pies" opened up and the goo floats down the artery, scary, sudden death is pretty likely here.

And an echo pretty much just measures the pumping ability of your left ventrical, the big pump on that side which pumps blood to the body, and checks the four valves of the heart to make sure they're working ok and blood isn't regurgitating into chambers it shouldn't.

The reason im telling you all of this is because it's nice to know exactly what information they're finding out about you. As far as I read they didn't do an angiogram, so what they know is bugger all: you had a minor heart attack, scarring of the heart can mean nothing else, maybe a section of your ventrical wasnt pumping. This means your ejection fraction, or how many mls of blood per beat your heart ejects is slightly less. This damage is irreversible. and raised troponin levels is a pretty accurate marker for cardiac trauma, heart attack. Other than that you mentioned no other clinical indicators shouting that you're going to drop dead, your electrical system is ok for now, and the stress echo showed no indication of major blockages.

Again, this is all irrelevant. Your body is telling you to fucking give it up. If I was you I'd request a cardio angiogram, get your cholesterol levels checked, and medicated if necessary, make sure you're blood pressure is under control and if it isn't think about blood pressure medication. Start taking 100mg of aspirin a day unless you're doctor says you shouldnt but unless you're scheduled for surgery I doubt it. And make sure you're eating well as exercising. Your heart is on the precipace of deteriorating rapidly and the risk of sudden death becomes more plausible every time you do drugs, especially stimulants and cardio toxic drugs like cocaine. The party might be over for you dude.

I certainly wouldn't go any more until at least you have an angiogram. Make sure you have no blockages that are significant. But it's your body. If you don't want to give up the party life style don't, but see a cardiologist regularly and be sensible. If you take care of your heart by exercising it and eating well, and lay off the stims for a while, it will be stronger and happier for it, making your future recreational use a little safer. All bets are off if you go crazy and still take cocaine and MDMA every weekend.

One last piece of advice: if you get that pain in your arm/chest again with the sweat and the impending doom call an ambulance immediately. Don't wait even 1 minute to see of it goes away. Take an aspirin if you by chance have one, but no one ever does of course, but other than that don't move and wait for the ambulance. Only thing that can save you from a heart attack is an emergency angioplasty or IV thrombolysis therapy which dissolves the blockage in the artery, hopefully.

Good luck. Take it seriously.