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moderate DXM doses to aid opioid (kratom) quit

podsnomo

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So, I've read a good bit about DXM reducing and/or stopping tolerance to opioids and amphetamines. I've read some about using it to combat WDs from opiates, and some about using it to alleviate PAWS.

I came off of a heavy poppy pod habit a couple of months ago and at the end of my long taper I started using some kratom to feel better, telling myself it was no biggie. Well, now here I am as hooked on kratom as I was on pods. And my tolerance has gone through the roof to the point where I've gone from 6g 3 times a day keeping me feeling just fine to having WD symptoms between doses at about 10g 5-6 times a day. And this over the course of about 6 weeks.

So today, after 2 doses of kratom I was starting to feel those WDs again. Dreading facing the fact of being a slave to this plant I started to go for another dose. Then I remembered DXM and how lots of people had reported success with it as a WD aid. So I took about 100mg about an hour ago and my WDs are almost gone completely. And they are certainly not coming on any stronger with the passing time, yet. I'm going for a kratom quit and will only resort to small doses of kratom if I become completely unable to function. I'll also be using loperamide for tummy woes, aleve for pain if I get pain, exercise, bananas, and other helpers.

I'd be interested in any experiences with DXM but especially experiences with DXM in the process of opiate/opioid cessation. WDs, PAWS, etc. Also, in combination with DXM, what else have you found helpful.

I just wanna be free from this goddamn plant now!

Thanks,
pnm
 
I would not recommend taking any moderate dose of DXM on anywhere close to a daily basis. After a week or so it makes you feel pretty messed up and gross.
 
100mg a day would be fine for a week. I don't have much experience using it to quit opiates but what symptoms are you having from the kratom withdrawal? I used it for several months, every day and didn't feel much after quitting and my tolerance didn't get any higher than 12g of plain leaf per day. Not trying to downplay your symptoms, i'm just curious what kind of symptoms you are having especially compared to pods cause i know that is a nasty nasty withdrawal.
 
It feels like the onset of pods WD so far. Chills, sweats, shits. I just woke up and took 6mg loperamide and am waiting to see if it knocks down the chills and stomach issues. Plus I couldn't fall asleep last night, then once I did, the alarm went off this morning and I felt like a bag of smashed assholes. Could barely get up. I'm looking at my busy day thinking that tapering down the kratom first might be a good idea. I was on pods for years and got down from 60-70g a day of grounds to 1g a day before starting kratom. So I think I never totally finished the WD from pods. I dunno. Maybe I did though because I could tell after a couple weeks on kratom that things leveled out some. Maybe the WDs won't be that bad, but they sure feel like their drawing their fist back the way pods WD did and getting ready to whoop my arse. Yes, pods are an awful thing to WD from. I stretched it out over 6 weeks. I'm gonna hop I can do this kratom taper much faster. I'm fucking tired of being a slave to this plant and want to be free and sober. Damnit.
 
I've had good experiences with larger loperamide doses when I quit my habit. Even with a tolerance, 30mg+ a day drastically reduced the symptoms, plus I didn't get high off it, so I just took 4mg less each day. I agree that this draws out the process, but it's much more bearable, and when I quit completely, all that was left was a bit of sniffling for a day or two. This was coming off a 3+ bag a day smack habit, so it should easily work for kratom as well.

I used DXM as well, but only twice during the week that the symptoms were worst, and I dosed 600mg each time. Mind that at such doses, the dissociation kicks in with full effects, but that was just what I needed to get rid of the depression for the evening. The afterglow the next day is very nice as well, no need for another dose.

Also, lots of weed, goes great with DXM and also helps distract yourself on its own, but that's not everybody's cup of tea, so ymmv.

Hope this helps, I wish you all the best, if I could do it, so can you.
 
you need to take more loperamide man. try like 40mgs...

watch out with your dxm dosage though, the stimulating effects can exacerbate the anxiety, chills and jitters of opiate WD.


i wouldnt go past 30-60mgs DXM.... try taking 200-400mgs naproxen sodium, 50-100mgs diphenhydramine, and 20-40mgs loperamide.
eat spicy foods and try to exercise as both will increase the amount of edorphines your body creates.



READ THIS!!
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/562628-The-OD-Opioid-Withdrawal-Megathread-and-FAQ
 
Try MXE (methoxetamine) instead of DXM. It feels far less toxic, and it's even cheaper than the cough syrup. You can also take MXE for a week at a time to get you through the WDs.
 
Tapering not an option? I always tapered off of pods. Now, it has to be agressive (larger reductions in dose) due to the nature of pods (varying potency) but it still always helped me. People are different, I always responded best to tapers when getting off opiates. Eventually had to go on Sub, which I have gotten off of.

I would imagine that DXM dosage wouldn't have to be as high as 100 milligrams, but I have no experience with using it to aid WD. If I did decide to go the dissasociative route I would probably go with MXE though.
 
vortech said:
Try MXE (methoxetamine) instead of DXM. It feels far less toxic, and it's even cheaper than the cough syrup. You can also take MXE for a week at a time to get you through the WDs.
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Thanks to all, including the advice on taking considerably more loperamide. My research in this area is promising and I'll be bumping that up considerably. And I just don't wanna taper. I went through a 6 week taper from poppy pods that was a total nightmare, just stretched out. I want this over with quickly. I just need to be able to function somewhat comfortably. I don't need a miracle, just something to ease it.

MXE? It looks like it's only available online? Or is it an active ingredient in something I could pick up at a store in the US? I might go the MXE route once I have time to read about it, IF I still need something. But I may only need the dissociative for a day by myself, no work, when I need a break from the WDs and can afford to be kinda half witted and creepy feeling.

I'm hoping the kratom WD will be easier than I expect, but since my kratom habit follows without break a 3 year poppy pod habit, I'm wondering just how dead my goodie-making factories in my brain really are. This road could be shorter than I expect or worse and longer. All I know for sure is that I can't be sure what it will be until I quit this goddamn plant and get clean.

Thanks to all for your advice so far. It's a huge help. Your support too is awesome.

Best and love to all,
pnm
 
MXE is only found online, i'd definitely prefer it to DXM but you aren't going to use it recreationally so not much difference.

I really think you are just psyching yourself out about the kratom withdrawal, if it is bad it won't last any where close to as long as the pod wd. The only thing that might make it worse is having been on pods 3 years prior to the kratom. If you go into the withdrawal with a positive mind set and think that it won't be too bad then it will help tremendously. I've been through withdrawals without really realizing it a couple of times, just thought i got sick or felt shitty for a few days only to later realize what had happened, so some positive thinking can definitely make the difference between a miserable or bearable time.

Keep us updated, i'm interested in how this works out for you as i will have to quit poppy seed tea some day soon and wouldn't mind using kratom to help quit if it works well enough. Good luck, you can do it.
 
d-phenylalanine acts as an endorphin reuptake inhibitor. By itself it works to reduce pain for me and helps with Kratom WD. It's not like 2g of Kratom leaf in some coffee for feeling good but it's a definite plus. Kratom WD from 2G 3x/day was a little unpleasant for me, just a low mood and feeling achey... the D-Phenylalanine makes a difference though.. There is DL-Phenylalanine but I believe that the D-Phenylalanine is more effective...
 
_______ READ THIS POST ___________
it is true, dxm does help with addiction
i drank 1 5oz of delsym, for two days and it cured my addiction to cigarettes. i smoked 2 packs a day and after drinking those 2 bottles of delsym, i havnt touched any tobacco for 3 weeks.

i only wish more people knew of this.

also, the MXE thing... its a research chemical, a ketamine analog, witch didnt help with my cigarette addiction, it only has the same general feel as dxm.
 
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I got clean. I took DXM one time when it was bad during the day. That night, no sleep, so one pint of vodka. Bad move for an alkie, but it got me through. I'm completely clean now for the first time in almost 20 years. This is day 5. Still some chills, some anxiety, and a little rough around the edges, but being able to look the world dead in the eye and not be hiding anything is fucking fantastic.

I have made it to the otherside. I'm SOBER. And I'm staying that way, one day at a time.
 
Wow. Congrats man! I went through the same shit as you- pod tea addict, tapered to kratom, now suboxone. Been a year now I've been on subs. It's working well for me, but I'm kind of jealous of people like you who can get completely clean. Keep it up dude, that's a seriously awesome accomplishment.
 
ArtVandalay said:
Wow. Congrats man! I went through the same shit as you- pod tea addict, tapered to kratom, now suboxone. Been a year now I've been on subs. It's working well for me, but I'm kind of jealous of people like you who can get completely clean. Keep it up dude, that's a seriously awesome accomplishment.
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Many thanks man. At the time I thought it was unfortunate, but now I feel fortunate. I tried to find a methadone or sub clinic who would take me, but with no insurance it was gonna be $500/mo I didn't have. So I would up getting where I am now. 6th day clean today, and it's only getting better.

I met a guy while I was in treatment once who was coming off subs. He used the subs and free dope and used on top of them. He quit using on top of them but couldn't get off them. He decided he wanted off badly enough and went into rehab. A full 3 weeks later he was still having chills, but he was happy, and they were treating his WD symptoms well there, and without any addictive or narcotic substances. Those subs...man I'm glad I didn't go that route, but if you want off badly enough, it can be done. The fucking half life on that stuff though, that's what makes it so killer.

If it works for you, good. If you ever want free and clear it CAN be done and you CAN do it. Whether a few days or weeks of mild to moderate pain and discomfort, whether at home or in a rehab facility, however/whatever it takes. If you want free, it's worth whatever you go through to get through to this side man. I'm over here now, finally, and I'm telling you man, it's better than I imagined, and it's only beginning.

ArtV, if you decide you want off that sometime, let me know. And if you want, I'll chain this laptop to my wrist and be here for you.
 
Thanks podsnomo! To be honest, I still don't trust myself- if I were to get off subs, I know I'd use kratom or tramadol or something to ease the WD. I'm a bitch when it comes to WD, for real. But, I'm in a good place now- in therapy, exercising daily, surrounding myself with supportive, sober friends, going to NA, working full time, volunteering, just trying to live a good clean life. I was a daily pod tea user for 6 straight years and a poly-drug user for ten years before that, and have a year 'clean' (besides sub). So yeah, I still have a long road ahead of me. Big ups to you pods, keep us informed on your progress!
 
nice work podsnomo. I'm trying to switch to kratom from poppy seed tea right now and it's been pretty tough so i'm tapering my seed tea down while transitioning to kratom. Did you have any issues during your switch? i went into a massive withdrawal the other day and the kratom couldn't stop it. I'm hoping to taper kratom afterwards as well, will be scary as shit to face the world drug free again.
 
You should be able to switch to kratom from PST. I tapered down PPT to kratom without too many issues. I didn't like kratom as much- and you have to redose too often. Be careful too- I've almost OD'd on kratom before- limit your intake.
 
RobotRipping said:
nice work podsnomo. I'm trying to switch to kratom from poppy seed tea right now and it's been pretty tough so i'm tapering my seed tea down while transitioning to kratom. Did you have any issues during your switch? i went into a massive withdrawal the other day and the kratom couldn't stop it. I'm hoping to taper kratom afterwards as well, will be scary as shit to face the world drug free again.
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Yeah, my taper was tough, but nothing compared to the CT quit I attempted a few months prior to deciding to taper my pods. And I was just mixing the ground pods with juice. Tea was too much work. More than once, when I ran out of pods before my next box came in the mail, I tried to use kratom to get me feeling OK. No go. If your tolerance is still too high to opiates then kratom won't do it for you. It will make you less miserable, but you'll still be miserable. I was going through mild-moderate WD symptoms for 6-7 weeks on my taper. I tapered from 70-90g/day down to 1g/day before I switched to kratom, and then it worked. I told myself I'd just use it short term, quit it soon. Thought it was no big deal too, but when I tried to quit it, the beginning of the kratom WDs felt just like the beginning of the pods WDs. So it freaked me out. I kept trying to taper kratom, but since it has different properties at different doses, I couldn't make it work. I finally bailed and went CT from the kratom and looking back, it was nothing compared to trying to CT quit from my large pods habit.

ARTV, congrats man on a year clean. Sounds like your life is together. I hope NA is working as well for you as AA is for me. Robot: if you really wanna be sober, then there's no point in being sober and miserable. And IMHO opinion (because I tried everything else) the ONLY way to be sober AND happy is through NA or AA. It's a life I could have never imagined, and I'd sit here and tell you more about that if I didn't need to get ready for work now.

peace,
pnm
 
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