Model to be Caned for Drinking Beer in Malaysia

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Model to be Caned for Drinking Beer in Malaysia
Wednesday, August 19, 2009
Associated Press

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — A Muslim part-time model will be caned next week, becoming the first woman in Malaysia to be given the punishment under Islamic law, after she pleaded guilty to drinking beer, a prosecutor said Wednesday.

An Islamic court in July ordered that Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno, 32, be lashed six times with a rattan cane after she was caught drinking alcohol in a raid on a hotel night club in eastern Pahang state last year.

Prosecutor Saiful Idham Sahimi said Kartika will be the first woman to be caned under Islamic law after she chose not to appeal the sentence.

"This is the first case in Malaysia. ... It is a good punishment because under Islamic law a person who drinks commits a serious offense," he said.

On Tuesday, the court set a one-week period starting next Monday for the sentence to be carried out in a woman's prison, Saiful said. It is up to prison authorities to decide when to cane her during that period.

He said Kartika will remain in prison during that time and will be released "as soon as possible" after the caning is carried out.

Saiful said the rattan cane to be used on Kartika would be lighter than the one used on men, and its purpose was to "educate" rather than punish.

Muslims, who make up about two-thirds of Malaysia's 28 million people, are governed by Islamic courts in all civilian and Islamic matters. Most alcohol offenders are fined, but the law also provides for a three-year prison term and caning.

Non-Muslims are governed by civil courts, which also impose caning for offenses such as rape and corruption. Women, children and men above 50 are exempt under civil law. Caning, administered on the buttocks, breaks the skin and leaves permanent scars.

Kartika said earlier that she wanted authorities to cane her soon so that she can resume her life with her husband and children. Some politicians and women's rights activists have criticized the penalty as too harsh.

A woman and a man, both Muslims, were also arrested during a series of raids in Cherating, a beach town in Pahang state, on the night when Kartika was detained. Both were also sentenced to caning, but they have appealed.

Malaysian clubs and lounges typically serve alcohol and are not legally required to check if customers are Muslims before serving them.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,540504,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r5:c0.159833:b27220098:z0
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I am impressed that non-Muslims are not required to live under Malaysian interpretation of Sharia- and answer to civil rather than religious courts.

This is very progressive for a nation with any kind of theocracy.
 
Tchort said:
I am impressed that non-Muslims are not required to live under Malaysian interpretation of Sharia- and answer to civil rather than religious courts.

This is very progressive for a nation with any kind of theocracy.
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Agreed. I wish there was a legal system in the US for people who don't believe in drug prohibition.
 
So..how do you tell who is a muslim and who is not? Is there a racial aspect to this that didn't come through? You'd think when the goon squad came around the muslims would just deny it.

I'm sure next to solve this problem of bars serving muslims the government will propose all muslims must wear a visible indication of their religious status, a bright yellow star perhaps?;)
 
^ Only if you are a muslim.

It is pretty strange to have laws for one religion and laws for everyone else. It is pretty damn draconian to cane someone for drinking a fucking beer, if Alah really exists then wont he punish the muslims who don't practise their faith properly in the afterlife? It just doesn't make sense for religious beliefs to be enforced as laws.
 
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This is her photo.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...beer-to-be-first-woman-caned-in-Malaysia.html
 
Caning is pretty horrible (to those who don't know much about it: rattan caning is A LOT worse than it sounds - think permanent and heavy scaring) but uh....it's her choice to live under Sharia law.
 
I'm curious about how they choose who these laws do and don't apply to? Can someone simply convert and no longer be subject to Islamic law?
 
It depends if there law actually allows conversion. To be honest I have no idea but it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't allowed..
Religion, ay?
 
The point is that practicing Muslims have a choice. The Malaysian Islamic establishment has a certain interpretation of Sharia (Islamic Law). There are very liberal and progressive schools of Sharia study, but in theocratic nations you generally have a much more conservative or fundamentalist interpretation in most instances.

I've been under the impression that Muslims living in a Sharia state have to agree with the interpretation of those in power as a matter of theology.

Think of it this way. In the old days in Europe, the Catholic church had the power to punish Catholics who broke religious traditions (like eating meat on Friday, skipping mass without being ill, etc). By virtue of being Catholic, you believe that these things are wrong- and must accept the punishment decided upon by your local Catholic church.

This model, a practicing Muslim, by virtue of her faith accepts the Sharia interpretation governing Malaysian Muslims. She knows the ban on consuming alcohol, and the penalty according to Malaysian Sharia- and tacitly agrees with it. She has no choice but to admit being a Muslim and accepting a punishment.

It's an agreement between the individual and Allah to live a certain way, this is a choice she has made. You can't believe and live by a certain code some of the time when you preach complete subservience.
 
trainwreckmolly said:
idk, sounds like every beer guzzling, cigarette smoking american christian i've ever met who supposedly love god more than life itself 8)
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Organized Christianity has always been loose when it comes to keeping the flock in line with orthodoxy- much more interested in acquiring the gold and land of the believers. Islam, from the beginning, was more interested in the obedience and strict faith of its flock.

If a fundamentalist Christian movement were to gain political power and create a theocracy, you would see similar stories- literal interpretations of the Bible leading to canings, stonings, etc. If you were a true believer, why would you deny your faith and try to get out of the punishment for breaking the rules you choose to adhere to?
 
Fucked up pic there DOB..

I SO read this title wrong, I thought it said she was canned as in fired for some stupid beer related public image type rule, this is horrible.
 
Model Muslim mother spared caning
From correspondents in Kuala Kangsar, Malaysia
Agence France-Presse
August 24, 2009

  • Model spared the cane for drinking beer
  • Case caused international outrage
  • Amnesty said punishment was cruel
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RELIGIOUS authorities in Malaysia today freed a woman who was on her way to a jail in the capital, Kuala Lumpur, to be caned for drinking beer.

"The warrant cannot be executed," Sharafuddin Zainal Ariffin, head of enforcement for the state of Pahang's Islamic Affairs Department, said after Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno, 32, was returned to her house.

Kartika would have been the first woman to be caned under Islamic law in Malaysia, a moderate Muslim-majority country where the landmark case has caused a national sensation.

She was sentenced to six strokes after pleading guilty to drinking alcohol at a hotel nightclub last year.

The part-time model and mother of two cried when the verdict was handed down last month but in an interview at her home in a small Malay village, the slim and soft-spoken Kartika was composed about her fate.

"Sometimes I feel sad and stressed as I have tarnished my family's name. But now after spending time reading the Koran, I feel calm and am not afraid of being caned," she said.

Islamic scholars origninally backed the sentence, and said it would be carried out when she was fully clothed and with a cane that is smaller and lighter than the heavy length of rattan used in criminal cases.

Malaysia, a multicultural country with large Chinese and Indian communities, has a dual-track legal system and sharia courts can try Muslims for religious and moral offences.

Human rights group Amnesty International urged Malaysia not to carry out the sentence and to abolish the "cruel and degrading punishment".

Critics said the caning will damage Malaysia's international standing as a progressive and moderate Islamic country.

Kartika said she never expected the court to impose the sentence.

"But I accept it as consuming alcohol is the mother of all sins for a Muslim," she said.

Sitting between her doting father Shukarno Mutalib, 60, and her 56-year-old mother Badariah Mior Salim, Kartika said her family and the 500 people of their village in Perak state have rallied around her.

During the interview a red-eyed Kartika was hugged by her parents.

"I was initially angry. But I did not scold her," said Shukarno, who operates a lodge by the Perak river in nearby Jawa village.

"I believe my daughter is the chosen one by Allah to remind Muslims not to drink. I heard many (Muslims) were arrested for beer drinking that night but were mysteriously freed," he said with a smile.

"She is strong and is ready to accept the caning. But many people warn me that she will be traumatised. So we have a plan to send her to Mecca to overcome her painful ordeal," he said.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25972734-401,00.html
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I am sure that her attitude and convictions, and her status as a devout Muslim played into this decision. Sounds more like this case was a litmus test for the public and politicians, similar to the Terry Schiavo case in the US.
 
It must be emphasized that caning as punishment is a cultural peculiarity, not a religious one.

Take Bosnia for example - not only do almost all Muslims there drink like fish, but they also produce plum brandy as a national drink, which is 45% Alcohol, and take pride in it.
 
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